Creationism Vs. Evolution

[Caecili]

The problem with this is that farmers control insemination and breeding pairs, whereas in the wild animals will choose the most suitable and available mate every time. If God were truly guiding evolution, we would see evidence of breeding patterns different from the norm.

Well, if it was divine guidance, it would appear normal because it's always been that way. But then, the difference between an invisible god that only affects the worlds through undetectable control of the physical laws of the universe, and physical laws of the universe is non-existent. It's essentially calling science God

Indeed. That would make Conway a god, wouldn't it?

[Kyraina]

Evolution is dot diametrically opposed to creationism, or even antagonistic to it. Guided Evolution is possible and happens every day when a farmer or rancher or breeder chooses two organisms to breed for a desirable set of traits. If WE can do It then Why can't the Infinite, Almighty, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent JHVH do it?

The problem with this is that farmers control insemination and breeding pairs, whereas in the wild animals will choose the most suitable and available mate every time. If God were truly guiding evolution, we would see evidence of breeding patterns different from the norm.

If God was guiding us we'd all be prefect and god does not guide evolution he stays out of the events that happen in everyday life.

[Little Italy-Pornolia]

Here I quote my great and very smart friend: Greg Guevara
"I do think everyone should make their own choices, but you should decide what God means to you yourself, not just blindly deny everything that you don't get. Religion isn't stupid, and it isn't blind, but I know a lot of people who stop believing in God because of the people that worship God and not because of God itself. I see where you're coming from: We're scared without knowledge so you might think we created religions. But to believe in God is hard because you need to put you're absolute, intelligent and well thought out trust into something you can't see but know is there. And I love guys, to the extent a straight Christian guy can. In a friend way, Santi. In a friend way."
"Yep, I believe we evolved. But I also believe in creation. It's called "the compromise theory", and it just gets both sides angry. But I believe God directly created the big bang,which indirectly created everything else. I mean think about it. "What created us?" "The big bang" "What created the big bang" "Anti matter and matter colliding" "What created the anti matter and matter?" "Uh..." With God there's no problem like that. God just is. He was there, is there and always will be there. I don't believe everything in the bible, because no religion is perfect, but as our beliefs evolve, we get closer to perfection, and closer to God."
"Belief in God is a boat. The stronger your belief is, the bigger your boat is. Your life will run into some choppy waters, and when it does your boat will help you handle it. Hell, that might be the same for Atheism, for all I know! Anyways... life is exactly what you make of it. If you think the world sucks, the world will suck for you. If you think it's harsh it's harsh. But for me the world is amazing, a beautiful pearl in a sea of darkness. Yes, I'm getting poetic here, but it's hard not to be when describing something so beautiful. For me life is amazing and happy, and when it tries to ruin my day, my boat handles it. Because that's what I think about life, and I love everything about it."
- Greg Guevara

[Farnhamia]

The problem with this is that farmers control insemination and breeding pairs, whereas in the wild animals will choose the most suitable and available mate every time. If God were truly guiding evolution, we would see evidence of breeding patterns different from the norm.

If God was guiding us we'd all be prefect and god does not guide evolution he stays out of the events that happen in everyday life.

Not much good, then, is he? All that talk about nary a sparrow falling the he doesn't know about is just that, talk? Or does he know and not care? The Yahweh I remember cared mostly about signing up followers and making sure they followed the rules he set for them. Sparrows were only interesting when they were on his altar, sending up an aroma that was pleasing to him.

[Wikkiwallana]

The problem with this is that farmers control insemination and breeding pairs, whereas in the wild animals will choose the most suitable and available mate every time. If God were truly guiding evolution, we would see evidence of breeding patterns different from the norm.

If God was guiding us we'd all be prefect and god does not guide evolution he stays out of the events that happen in everyday life.

Source on God's guidance ensuring perfection? He guided Adam and Eve, and they still ate the fruit. He guided Moses and Aaron, and they still claimed one of His miracles as their own. He guided Solomon, and he still turned to Moloch in his old age. He guided David, and he still committed adultery. There's probably more, but my "read the Bible from front to back" project has stalled out in the middle of Psalms because I have no willpower.

[Farnhamia]

If God was guiding us we'd all be prefect and god does not guide evolution he stays out of the events that happen in everyday life.

Source on God's guidance ensuring perfection? He guided Adam and Eve, and they still ate the fruit. He guided Moses and Aaron, and they still claimed one of His miracles as their own. He guided Solomon, and he still turned to Moloch in his old age. He guided David, and he still committed adultery. There's probably more, but my "read the Bible from front to back" project has stalled out in the middle of Psalms because I have no willpower.

You should push on to the Song of Songs. There's as nice a bit of Canaanite love poetry as you'll find. Jeremiah and Nehemiah are interesting, too, and Isaiah, because a lot of the foreshadowing of Jesus is in Isaiah.

[Tekania]

The problem with this is that farmers control insemination and breeding pairs, whereas in the wild animals will choose the most suitable and available mate every time. If God were truly guiding evolution, we would see evidence of breeding patterns different from the norm.

If God was guiding us we'd all be prefect and god does not guide evolution he stays out of the events that happen in everyday life.

That's not necessarly an accurate expression of the general belief amongst that set of theologies, and is in fact a matter of theological difference of opinion... Theistic Evolutionist Creation Theology view evolution as a natural mechanism which operates within the confines of an initial direction of intent on the part of the Creator and then left alone, whereas Evolutionary Creationist Creation Theology views the natural mechanisms themselves being an outworking of the direct action and purpose of the creator (Not unsurprisingly as well, most Evolutionary Creationists also tend to hold to a Calvinistic Soterologicial view)

[Farnhamia]

If God was guiding us we'd all be prefect and god does not guide evolution he stays out of the events that happen in everyday life.

That's not necessarly an accurate expression of the general belief amongst that set of theologies, and is in fact a matter of theological difference of opinion... Theistic Evolutionist Creation Theology view evolution as a natural mechanism which operates within the confines of an initial direction of intent on the part of the Creator and then left alone, whereas Evolutionary Creationist Creation Theology views the natural mechanisms themselves being an outworking of the direct action and purpose of the creator (Not unsurprisingly as well, most Evolutionary Creationists also tend to hold to a Calvinistic Soterologicial view)

You said "soterological"! There are so many syllables in that post, my friend, it must be a record of some sort. Bravo!

[Kyraina]

well i believe like i said earlier God created animals then human, and after Adam and Eve committed the first sin evolution changed the animals and humans and God just let it happen but thats me

[Farnhamia]

well i believe like i said earlier God created animals then human, and after Adam and Eve committed the first sin evolution changed the animals and humans and God just let it happen but thats me

So "sin" caused evolution? We should have a thread about sin someday. One of the silliest damned fool concepts ... "I am perfect, I created you, you suck, worship me." Yeah. But I digress.

[Wikkiwallana]

well i believe like i said earlier God created animals then human, and after Adam and Eve committed the first sin evolution changed the animals and humans and God just let it happen but thats me

Why would human sin change animals that weren't involved in it at all?

Edit: typo

[Unchecked Expansion]

well i believe like i said earlier God created animals then human, and after Adam and Eve committed the first sin evolution changed the animals and humans and God just let it happen but thats me

Why would human sin change animals that weren't involved in it at all?

Edit: typo

Early animals were suckers for peer pressure.

[Tekania]

That's not necessarly an accurate expression of the general belief amongst that set of theologies, and is in fact a matter of theological difference of opinion... Theistic Evolutionist Creation Theology view evolution as a natural mechanism which operates within the confines of an initial direction of intent on the part of the Creator and then left alone, whereas Evolutionary Creationist Creation Theology views the natural mechanisms themselves being an outworking of the direct action and purpose of the creator (Not unsurprisingly as well, most Evolutionary Creationists also tend to hold to a Calvinistic Soterologicial view)

You said "soterological"! There are so many syllables in that post, my friend, it must be a record of some sort. Bravo!

That's what happens after one takes Systematic Theology.

[Ceannairceach]

well i believe like i said earlier God created animals then human, and after Adam and Eve committed the first sin evolution changed the animals and humans and God just let it happen but thats me

"Humans", in there pre-evolved form and now, are animals. By that logic, he created humans twice.

[Farnhamia]

well i believe like i said earlier God created animals then human, and after Adam and Eve committed the first sin evolution changed the animals and humans and God just let it happen but thats me

"Humans", in there pre-evolved form and now, are animals. By that logic, he created humans twice.

Perhaps the answer to "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" applies?

[Ceannairceach]

"Humans", in there pre-evolved form and now, are animals. By that logic, he created humans twice.

Perhaps the answer to "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" applies?

Rubenstein, no?

[Andaricus]

I am personally a Creationist however I do believe that both theories should taught equally and that the students should be given the choice what they want to believe. Remember both theories are merely just that theories and beliefs, just as it is with the theory of science and the belief of religion. My message would be to support the freedom of choice when it comes to thse things.

There's nothing to choose between. Evolution is science, based on evidence. Creationism is mythology based on faith. You can't equate the two.

And of course you are wrong. Evolution is merely a theory like Creationism, but yeah so much for Freedom of Choice in our nation. Let's just shove one side of the theoretical science down the peoples throats without giving them a choice.

[The Alma Mater]

There's nothing to choose between. Evolution is science, based on evidence. Creationism is mythology based on faith. You can't equate the two.

And of course you are wrong. Evolution is merely a theory like Creationism, but yeah so much for Freedom of Choice in our nation. Let's just shove one side of the theoretical science down the peoples throats without giving them a choice.

And had you bothered to read the topic, you would have known the difference between scientific theory and daily life theory, why the theory of evolution qualifies and creationism does not, as well as that crerationism is almost certainly not what you think it is.

But hey. That would have required you to make an effort.

[Orwellian Huxly]

Creationism= a joke. Evolution=science.

[Norstal]

There's nothing to choose between. Evolution is science, based on evidence. Creationism is mythology based on faith. You can't equate the two.

And of course you are wrong. Evolution is merely a theory like Creationism, but yeah so much for Freedom of Choice in our nation. Let's just shove one side of the theoretical science down the peoples throats without giving them a choice.

Naw dawg, you're wrong.

One of them takes a night to write.

The other takes over 200 years of research. Which one is more believable?

[Coccygia]

There's nothing to choose between. Evolution is science, based on evidence. Creationism is mythology based on faith. You can't equate the two.

And of course you are wrong. Evolution is merely a theory like Creationism, but yeah so much for Freedom of Choice in our nation. Let's just shove one side of the theoretical science down the peoples throats without giving them a choice.

Science is a matter of evidence, not choice. Creationism is not science, theoretical or otherwise; it's pseudoscience, which should never be passed off as science.

[Wlominland]

evolution is the only one that should be taught in science classrooms. schools can teach creationism if they want but only in religoin classes

[DaWoad]

There's nothing to choose between. Evolution is science, based on evidence. Creationism is mythology based on faith. You can't equate the two.

And of course you are wrong. Evolution is merely a theory like Creationism, but yeah so much for Freedom of Choice in our nation. Let's just shove one side of the theoretical science down the peoples throats without giving them a choice.

again with this?
Creationism isn't a theory, it's not even a hypothesis (those need to be falsifiable), it's ... nothing.
The Theory of Evolution through natural selection is a theory.

[Mosasauria]

Evolution is the only one that should be taught in science classrooms. Schools can teach Creationism if they want, but only in religion classes

Precisely.

[Norstal]

Evolution is the only one that should be taught in science classrooms. Schools can teach Creationism if they want, but only in religion classes

Precisely.

You know what we need to teach?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... onceptions

It will solve all the world's problems. It will solve all wars and future conflict.