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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:13 pm

Kyraina wrote:thats true i believe that good created man thru the way it states in the bible but i also believe he created animals thru evolution

Then why does god have nipples?

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Postby Kyraina » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:14 pm

for when he First created adam he made him in his own image and thats all i can tell you
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Postby Tekania » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:15 pm

Kyraina wrote:thats true i believe that good created man thru the way it states in the bible but i also believe he created animals thru evolution


As it doesn't state HOW he created man, I'm not sure what you mean by this. Man's creation was as much a product of evolution as the rest of life on this planet.
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Postby Kyraina » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:15 pm

he created man form the Earth in his own image
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Postby Tekania » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:18 pm

Kyraina wrote:for when he First created adam he made him in his own image and thats all i can tell you


Without having a full contextual understanding of your own theological beliefs, I fail to see how you're going to argue them before others. As I said, "Image" as is understood in any Christian Theological sense is viewed as a spiritual, and not a physical image. God the Father does not appear, physically, to look anything like the creature man.
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Postby Tekania » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:20 pm

Kyraina wrote:he created man form the Earth in his own image


Yes, I believe that as well, that via the mechanics of the biological evolutionary processes that the material of the Earth over the billions of years evolved into the present creature man via the power of God...

This however is my theological belief relating to creation, and not strictly scientific.... my scientific views are merely towards the processes and mechanics by which biological evolution takes place.
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Postby Kyraina » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:32 pm

Tekania wrote:
Kyraina wrote:he created man form the Earth in his own image


Yes, I believe that as well, that via the mechanics of the biological evolutionary processes that the material of the Earth over the billions of years evolved into the present creature man via the power of God...

This however is my theological belief relating to creation, and not strictly scientific.... my scientific views are merely towards the processes and mechanics by which biological evolution takes place.

see i think he made us how he wanted us and after adam and eve introduced sin to the world he lit evolution take over and do its job but thats just me
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Postby Caecili » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:33 pm

Kyraina wrote:
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Yes, I believe that as well, that via the mechanics of the biological evolutionary processes that the material of the Earth over the billions of years evolved into the present creature man via the power of God...

This however is my theological belief relating to creation, and not strictly scientific.... my scientific views are merely towards the processes and mechanics by which biological evolution takes place.

see i think he made us how he wanted us and after adam and eve introduced sin to the world he lit evolution take over and do its job but thats just me


Except for the fact that many animals existed before humans. Evolution did not begin with humans.
Also, the bible clearly states that he made all the animals alongside humans, not that he let them evolve.
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Postby Kyraina » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:35 pm

he created them before humans and humans later but after he created them i believe he let evolution take over and the same after adam and eve commited the first sin with humans
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Postby Caecili » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:37 pm

Kyraina wrote:he created them before humans and humans later but after he created them i believe he let evolution take over and the same after adam and eve commited the first sin with humans


But the bible states that he made Adam, then made the animals and let Adam name them.
It depends on whether you want go with the first story or the second one. Oh look, contradiction!
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Postby Kyraina » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:39 pm

he created the animals before he created adam to take care of the animals and name them
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Postby Caecili » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:40 pm

Kyraina wrote:he created the animals before he created adam to take care of the animals and name them


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And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
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And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Made the animals after in the second chapter.
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Postby Tekania » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:00 pm

Caecili wrote:
Kyraina wrote:he created the animals before he created adam to take care of the animals and name them


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And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
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And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Made the animals after in the second chapter.


He made them after in the Second Chapter, first in the first chapter... But you're still showing most clearly the serious theological issue with interpreting Genesis in a completely literal context, as if one assumes its interpretation literally, then it's contradictory. So, if it is correct, it can only be correct from an allegorical interpretation... Which presents a problem for him.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:07 pm

Kyraina wrote:who ever said evolution is cold hard facts is wrong because its a theory and in theory humans can fly with out a plane or a heli or anything that glides or anything along those lines

See, this is why I treat Creationists with such contempt. Look at the incredible level of rudeness here. There is no possible way that this person has even an undergraduate degree in biology, yet he acts as though he has any right whatsoever to tell biologists what their field is really about. He has not bothered to learn even the most basic definitions of terms, but he is presuming to TELL other people about an entire field (that he clearly knows nothing about).

As somebody who has spent over a decade studying and training to become a scientist, I find this extremely offensive. It is a direct insult to all the hard work and effort that scientists put in, all the lifetimes of research that have been contributed, and it is an insult that Creationists make without a second thought. And then they have the nerve to whine about SCIENTISTS being dismissive toward them. Pathetic.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:10 pm

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Kyraina wrote:who ever said evolution is cold hard facts is wrong because its a theory and in theory humans can fly with out a plane or a heli or anything that glides or anything along those lines

See, this is why I treat Creationists with such contempt. Look at the incredible level of rudeness here. There is no possible way that this person has even an undergraduate degree in biology, yet he acts as though he has any right whatsoever to tell biologists what their field is really about. He has not bothered to learn even the most basic definitions of terms, but he is presuming to TELL other people about an entire field (that he clearly knows nothing about).

As somebody who has spent over a decade studying and training to become a scientist, I find this extremely offensive. It is a direct insult to all the hard work and effort that scientists put in, all the lifetimes of research that have been contributed, and it is an insult that Creationists make without a second thought. And then they have the nerve to whine about SCIENTISTS being dismissive toward them. Pathetic.

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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:06 pm

Kyraina wrote:thats true i believe that good created man thru the way it states in the bible but i also believe he created animals thru evolution

thank you for supporting the evolution of humans since human beings ARE animals they evolved.
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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:07 pm

Caecili wrote:
Kyraina wrote:Yet the titans, Ra, Jehovah, Allah, and the Main gods of many other religions and cultures did and titans are like goods so there


Ra didn't create humans and he wasn't the head god. Amun was.
The titans did not create humans. They were actually the predecessors to the greek gods.
Jehovah, Allah, and God are the same person.


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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:10 pm

Kyraina wrote:but it is a theory and in theory humans can fly and in theory and cold hard facts there is a god

only those who are right hand handed are in their right mind, right? I mean a right turn on a right of way, I clearly did write than on the sign.
see I can use multiple meanings of the same word in the same sentence too.
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Postby Tekania » Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:28 am

Bottle wrote:
Kyraina wrote:who ever said evolution is cold hard facts is wrong because its a theory and in theory humans can fly with out a plane or a heli or anything that glides or anything along those lines

See, this is why I treat Creationists with such contempt. Look at the incredible level of rudeness here. There is no possible way that this person has even an undergraduate degree in biology, yet he acts as though he has any right whatsoever to tell biologists what their field is really about. He has not bothered to learn even the most basic definitions of terms, but he is presuming to TELL other people about an entire field (that he clearly knows nothing about).

As somebody who has spent over a decade studying and training to become a scientist, I find this extremely offensive. It is a direct insult to all the hard work and effort that scientists put in, all the lifetimes of research that have been contributed, and it is an insult that Creationists make without a second thought. And then they have the nerve to whine about SCIENTISTS being dismissive toward them. Pathetic.


On a side note, he also seems to have as much understanding of theology as he does biology.
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Postby DaWoad » Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:36 am

Kyraina wrote:
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Which has to do with what in this context? It says nothing about the specific mechanisms by which said creation took place. Me thinks you merely insert your own opinions into the text.

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it has evolved since then he has first created man and i'm a firm believer in evolution but there is stuff science can not explain

name one thing science can't explain. Not something where there's no firm answer. Not something where there are multiple competing theories. An observed phenomenon that science just has no way to explain.
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:44 am

DaWoad wrote:name one thing science can't explain. Not something where there's no firm answer. Not something where there are multiple competing theories. An observed phenomenon that science just has no way to explain.

Things we can't explain eh?
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Postby Tekania » Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:52 am

Unchecked Expansion wrote:
DaWoad wrote:name one thing science can't explain. Not something where there's no firm answer. Not something where there are multiple competing theories. An observed phenomenon that science just has no way to explain.

Things we can't explain eh?
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Hey! We can keep going with that one...


If the USA is true, why is there still a Britain? :blink:

If you're true, how can you have a first cousin? :eyebrow:

If the trombone was developed from the natural trumpet, how are there still trumpets? :?

If my brain is true, why do I keep coming up with absurd reasons defeating a developmental lines existence based upon an idea that merely because one thing developed along a particular line than it's ancestral relations somehow should no longer exist?
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Postby The Northerns States » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:06 am

DaWoad wrote:
Kyraina wrote:
it has evolved since then he has first created man and i'm a firm believer in evolution but there is stuff science can not explain

name one thing science can't explain. Not something where there's no firm answer. Not something where there are multiple competing theories. An observed phenomenon that science just has no way to explain.


How does gravity work? What happened before the Big Bang? How is water really formed from bulk water?

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Postby DaWoad » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:22 am

The Northerns States wrote:
DaWoad wrote:name one thing science can't explain. Not something where there's no firm answer. Not something where there are multiple competing theories. An observed phenomenon that science just has no way to explain.


How does gravity work?

it's normal force possible caused by attractions between higg's boson particles is how the hypothesis goes IIRC.
What happened before the Big Bang?


look up quantum vacuum.
How is water really formed from bulk water?

hm? what's bulk water?
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Postby Tekania » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:24 am

The Northerns States wrote:
DaWoad wrote:name one thing science can't explain. Not something where there's no firm answer. Not something where there are multiple competing theories. An observed phenomenon that science just has no way to explain.


How does gravity work? What happened before the Big Bang? How is water really formed from bulk water?


To my knowledge, and from my own personal experience from 8th grade science (years ago, when we were allowed to have controlled explosions in science labs in public school), water is formed by a fairly simple (and many times explosive) chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen.
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