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Who is the Worst Star Trek Captain.

1. James Tiberius Kirk (of Enterprise)
16
14%
2.Jean-Luc-Picard (of Enterprise
7
6%
3. Jonathon Archer (of Enterprise
24
21%
4. Christopher Pike (of Enterprise)
5
4%
5. Kathryn Janeway (of Voyager)
34
30%
6. Sisko (of Deep Space 9)
7
6%
7. WIllard Decker (of Enterprise)
4
4%
8. Spock (of Enterprise)
5
4%
9. John Harriman (acting captain of Enterprise)
7
6%
10. Rachel Garrett (of Enterprise)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 113

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Postby Muslim Christians » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:01 am

who is the Worst Captain in STar Trek Ever..

please post your reasons

if I missed one you hate, please add it too


I have excluded George Kirk because he was captain for the shortest time of them all, with a track record of zero blunders, and he managed to rescue a ton of people.
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Postby Urwumpe » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:03 am

Janeway - she is the Angela Merkel of Star Trek and like the original, she isn't really capable of running any ship that is bigger than a life raft. With this command style, people can only be tempted to murder, but not to a good performance.

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Postby Muslim Christians » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:09 am

Ohh i Forgot Mathew Decker and i Apologize
for those who are not familiar he was in the Doomsday Machine (original series)
and he broke down and freaked out when he faced it.
this is NOT how a captain should act. and if i could redo the poll id add him and vote for him

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Postby Manocracy » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:22 am

Janeway is the only captain who would actually fire onthe enemy instead of trying to "talk" however, i still think she was an ineffective captain, even if shes the only one with balls

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Postby Dyst0pia » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:32 am

I would argue that there should be two dfferent kirks on the poll: the old timeline kirk (series) and new timeline kirk (movie).
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Postby Muslim Christians » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:34 am

someone voted sisko? and spock? just curious why, could you please post?

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Postby Muslim Christians » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:39 am

Dyst0pia wrote:I would argue that there should be two dfferent kirks on the poll: the old timeline kirk (series) and new timeline kirk (movie).

I'd say this should be dependant on captain ability, not actors ability to act.
although i kind of understand your comment. the old Captain Pike is much more effective as a Captain than the new Captain Pike. I think both Kirks are equally capable (the character not the actor)(which i put as second or third best captain)

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Postby Call to power » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:09 am

Muslim Christians wrote:someone voted sisko? and spock? just curious why, could you please post?


Sisko massively went over his powers as captain and should of resigned his commission as soon as he became a religious figure to the population he was assigned to oversee or at the very least transferred (why leave an inexperienced commander in such a position as the wormhole?)

and this was only the start of his command Jesus Christ
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Postby Dyst0pia » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:25 am

It's not about acting. I'd argue the two characters are a bit different. While both are good, however brash; no one could argue that if the same man led two different lives he would be the same person or captain. I realize there is a nature vs nurture argument to be found in here somewhere, but old timeline Kirk provides us with much more to go off of. If I were to pick which was a better captain between the two: Old Kirk, hands down. He's more experienced.
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Postby Muslim Christians » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:39 am

Call to power wrote:
Muslim Christians wrote:someone voted sisko? and spock? just curious why, could you please post?


Sisko massively went over his powers as captain and should of resigned his commission as soon as he became a religious figure to the population he was assigned to oversee or at the very least transferred (why leave an inexperienced commander in such a position as the wormhole?)

and this was only the start of his command Jesus Christ

I can definitely agree, his role as a peacekeeper of the internal workings in the ship was pretty good though, (early in the series that is.

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Postby Mount Shavano » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:45 am

Call to power wrote:Sisko massively went over his powers as captain and should of resigned his commission as soon as he became a religious figure to the population he was assigned to oversee or at the very least transferred (why leave an inexperienced commander in such a position as the wormhole?)


Because he was a religious figure the Bajorans wouldn't have stood for him being transferred or demoted.

Anyway, I nominate the M5 unit.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:47 am

Captain Terrell of the USS Reliant. Not only was he so lax as a captain as to allow the crew of a science vessel whose mission it is to study planets to not notice that there was a planet missing from the solar system and that another had shifted orbit, but he went into an alien ship without a transporter lock with only a science officer for back-up. Even Kirk would have brought Ensign Ricky for cannon fodder. ;)
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Postby Mount Shavano » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:51 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Captain Terrell of the USS Reliant. Not only was he so lax as a captain as to allow the crew of a science vessel whose mission it is to study planets to not notice that there was a planet missing from the solar system and that another had shifted orbit, but he went into an alien ship without a transporter lock with only a science officer for back-up. Even Kirk would have brought Ensign Ricky for cannon fodder. ;)


To be fair to Terrell, something weird enough was going on that no-one missed said planet, not even the usually quite competent Pavel Chekov, and it wasn't an alien ship.

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Postby Muslim Christians » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:00 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Captain Terrell of the USS Reliant. Not only was he so lax as a captain as to allow the crew of a science vessel whose mission it is to study planets to not notice that there was a planet missing from the solar system and that another had shifted orbit, but he went into an alien ship without a transporter lock with only a science officer for back-up. Even Kirk would have brought Ensign Ricky for cannon fodder. ;)
WHAT? how in the world can i miss a captain from the best star trek movie.
i feel ashamed,
so if this was redone, remove the ones with zero votes
(Christopher Pike, Jean-Luc Picard, Rachel Garrett all very effective captains)
and put in
Captain Terrell \
M-5 (although i thoroughly disagree as it put duty above his existence)
and Matthew Decker

but even then i bet Captain Janeway will win for worst.... shes just hated too much that people overlook worse captains to seek their Vendettas.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:12 am

Kirks fetish for leaving his command chair in favour of going on potentially dangerous scouting missions planetside, constantly risking being cut off from the ship, being killed, leaving his crew stranded etc. etc., quite generally very irresponsibly leaving the position he's supposed to fill in order to chase some alien booty even if it means basically not being able to actually give orders that may very well decide over the life and death of the entire crew and then taking his entire command staff with him while doing so kind of takes the cake, even if his reasoning (Alien booty) is respectable from a man's point of view.

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Postby Minoriteeburg » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:15 am

Worst Captain? That's easy.

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Postby Lordieth » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:16 am

Captain Edward Jellico who became captain of the Enterprise for a brief time in TNG. Awful captain. Too authoritarian, ignorant, and didn't listen to the crew's concerns. Very irritating.
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Postby New Orcrimmar » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:24 am

At first I thought Janeway but after watching a few episodes of enterprise, and watch sfdebris reviews of enterprise episode archer gets the award for worst Star Trek captain ever!

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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:26 am

Minoriteeburg wrote:Worst Captain? That's easy.

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Fucking hell that was hilarious.
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Postby Minoriteeburg » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:27 am

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Minoriteeburg wrote:Worst Captain? That's easy.

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Fucking hell that was hilarious.



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Postby Muslim Christians » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:35 am

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this poll needs more options.... i want to vote for George Kirk... he was the greatest

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Postby Mount Shavano » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:48 am

Nazis in Space wrote:Kirks fetish for leaving his command chair in favour of going on potentially dangerous scouting missions planetside, constantly risking being cut off from the ship, being killed, leaving his crew stranded etc. etc., quite generally very irresponsibly leaving the position he's supposed to fill in order to chase some alien booty even if it means basically not being able to actually give orders that may very well decide over the life and death of the entire crew and then taking his entire command staff with him while doing so kind of takes the cake, even if his reasoning (Alien booty) is respectable from a man's point of view.


Kirk's reputation for "chasing alien booty" is considerably overblown. While constantly having all the senior officers beaming down to planets is a legitimate criticism, it's endemic to all Trek captains.

Lordieth wrote:Captain Edward Jellico who became captain of the Enterprise for a brief time in TNG. Awful captain. Too authoritarian, ignorant, and didn't listen to the crew's concerns. Very irritating.


Actually, Jellico came across as quite competent. He certainly wasn't arrogant, and naval captains are supposed to be authoritarian. The crew's concerns in that episode were pushing the borders of just whining.

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Postby The Corparation » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:04 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Captain Terrell of the USS Reliant. Not only was he so lax as a captain as to allow the crew of a science vessel whose mission it is to study planets to not notice that there was a planet missing from the solar system and that another had shifted orbit, but he went into an alien ship without a transporter lock with only a science officer for back-up. Even Kirk would have brought Ensign Ricky for cannon fodder. ;)

Mostly this. BUT:Chekhov was command not science. He was Terrell's first officer, not his science officer. :geek:



Manocracy wrote:Janeway is the only captain who would actually fire onthe enemy instead of trying to "talk" however, i still think she was an ineffective captain, even if shes the only one with balls

This is the future. Standard protocol is to promote peace and understanding plus SCIENCE. Not fire on an enemy rather then solve it diplomatically.


Muslim Christians wrote:Ohh i Forgot Mathew Decker and i Apologize
for those who are not familiar he was in the Doomsday Machine (original series)
and he broke down and freaked out when he faced it.
this is NOT how a captain should act. and if i could redo the poll id add him and vote for him

Decker was an extremely competent captain. He broke down because he made a simple error when evacuating his crippled vessel and then had to watch his entire crew get killed without anything he could do.
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Postby Mussoliniopoli » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:07 am

Easily Janeway who the fuck loses a starship on a shakedown cruise? Pfft a woman that is who.
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Postby Braude » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:08 am

I hurd Captain Archer left one of his men to die.

Plus Star Trek Enterprise sucks bawls anyway.

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