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by **Terra Agora** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:03 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Mediterreania wrote:
I always assumed that it referred to alt-rock and pop-punk.

Post-punk is the mellower, darker stuff punk kids started playing after 78, the stuff that goth and new wave grew out of. British alternative grew out of post-punk, but American alternative grew out of post-hardcore after about 1984. Some American 'college rock' existed, but it wasn't until after hardcore punk's first wave that the American alternative scene took off.

2000's Hardcore and Post Hardcore sounds like generic metalcore. It sucks. Im not saying metalcore but modern post/hardcore does sound bad.

80's Post hardcore like Fugazi, Rites of Spring, and Drive Like Jehu is good shit.

by **Soviet Haaregrad** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:06 pm

Mediterreania wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Post-punk is the mellower, darker stuff punk kids started playing after 78, the stuff that goth and new wave grew out of. British alternative grew out of post-punk, but American alternative grew out of post-hardcore after about 1984. Some American 'college rock' existed, but it wasn't until after hardcore punk's first wave that the American alternative scene took off.

Ewwww...I don't like that stuff.

Which stuff? Joy Division or R.E.M?

by **Terra Agora** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:07 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Mediterreania wrote:
Ewwww...I don't like that stuff.

Which stuff? Joy Division or R.E.M?

Joy Division is fucking orgasmic.

by **Soviet Haaregrad** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:09 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Post-punk is the mellower, darker stuff punk kids started playing after 78, the stuff that goth and new wave grew out of. British alternative grew out of post-punk, but American alternative grew out of post-hardcore after about 1984. Some American 'college rock' existed, but it wasn't until after hardcore punk's first wave that the American alternative scene took off.

2000's Hardcore and Post Hardcore sounds like generic metalcore. It sucks. Im not saying metalcore but modern post/hardcore does sound bad.

80's Post hardcore like Fugazi, Rites of Spring, and Drive Like Jehu is good shit.

Most of the shitty metalcore that gets labelled post-hardcore now isn't at all. It's just poppier poppy metalcore. It's the same with emptiveemo, all of the 2002 and newer bands that get called emo are just pop punk, or pop punk with metalcore mixed.

Rites of Spring are god-tier.

by **Mediterreania** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:09 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Mediterreania wrote:
Ewwww...I don't like that stuff.

Which stuff? Joy Division or R.E.M?

Emo, goth, college rock...

If I hear one more girl raving about My Chemical Romance and Paramore, I will become homicidal.

by **Gilthador** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:10 pm

I like the classical and metal genres best, but I like songs and artists from all forms of music. My favourite artists/bands are Loreena McKennitt, TÝR, Paul Robeson, Louis Armstrong, and Bing Crosby.

by **Terra Agora** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:11 pm

Mediterreania wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Which stuff? Joy Division or R.E.M?

Emo, goth, college rock...

If I hear one more girl raving about My Chemical Romance and Paramore, I will become homicidal.

Never use Joy Division in the same TOPIC and MyChemRomance. >:(

i'll let this one slide.

Your lucky it wasnt in the same sentence.....

by **Jello Biafra** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:12 pm

Mediterreania wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Post-punk is the mellower, darker stuff punk kids started playing after 78, the stuff that goth and new wave grew out of. British alternative grew out of post-punk, but American alternative grew out of post-hardcore after about 1984. Some American 'college rock' existed, but it wasn't until after hardcore punk's first wave that the American alternative scene took off.

Ewwww...I don't like that stuff.

You probably do, you just don't realize it. Post-punk is sort of a catchall term, and is broader-sounding than you might think. Terra Agora probably should've posted this Joy Division song instead.
Or, alternatively:
The Cure.
Magazine.
Television.

by **Caecili** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:13 pm

Gilthador wrote:I like the classical and metal genres best, but I like songs and artists from all forms of music. My favourite artists/bands are Loreena McKennitt, TÝR, Paul Robeson, Louis Armstrong, and Bing Crosby.

Bing Crosby's Merry Christmas is my go-to carol album. He's kind of great.

by **Jello Biafra** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:15 pm

Mediterreania wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Which stuff? Joy Division or R.E.M?

Emo, goth, college rock...

If I hear one more girl raving about My Chemical Romance and Paramore, I will become homicidal.

Emo and goth were (and are) musical movements whose labels were coopted by record companies to sell records. My Chemical Romance bears little resemblance to either emo or goth.
I'm unaware of record companies trying to sell records by labeling them 'college rock' but it's certainly possible. It seems that in the UK, 'indie' can be used to describe bands on major labels.

by **Soviet Haaregrad** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:16 pm

Terra Agora wrote:2000's Hardcore and Post Hardcore sounds like generic metalcore. It sucks. Im not saying metalcore but modern post/hardcore does sound bad.

2000s hardcore sounds like The Secret, Set Your Goals and Weekend Nachos, not pop metalcore shit.

by **Terra Agora** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:18 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:
2000's Hardcore and Post Hardcore sounds like generic metalcore. It sucks. Im not saying metalcore but modern post/hardcore does sound bad.

80's Post hardcore like Fugazi, Rites of Spring, and Drive Like Jehu is good shit.

Rites of Spring are god-tier.

Everything from Revolution Summer is god-tier

by **Soviet Haaregrad** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:18 pm

Mediterreania wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Which stuff? Joy Division or R.E.M?

Emo, goth, college rock...

If I hear one more girl raving about My Chemical Romance and Paramore, I will become homicidal.

Emo is hardcore punk with personal lyrics and slow, mellow parts, like Rites of Spring or Planes Mistaken For Stars.

Goth is slow, gloomy pop rock like Bauhaus or some The Cure.

College rock is 80s American alternative.

by **Soviet Haaregrad** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:18 pm

Terra Agora wrote:Everything from Revolution Summer is god-tier

Indeed.

by **Terra Agora** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:20 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:
Mediterreania wrote:
Ewwww...I don't like that stuff.

You probably do, you just don't realize it. Post-punk is sort of a catchall term, and is broader-sounding than you might think. Terra Agora probably should've posted this Joy Division song instead.
Or, alternatively:
The Cure.
Magazine.
Television.

Bauhaus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRJfIPiJGY

Also whats wrong with Disorder?

by **Freelanderness** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:20 pm

Mediterreania wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Which stuff? Joy Division or R.E.M?

Emo, goth, college rock...

If I hear one more girl raving about My Chemical Romance and Paramore, I will become homicidal.

heh. O:)
I won't say anything

by **Terra Agora** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:23 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:2000's Hardcore and Post Hardcore sounds like generic metalcore. It sucks. Im not saying metalcore but modern post/hardcore does sound bad.

2000s hardcore sounds like The Secret, Set Your Goals and Weekend Nachos, not pop metalcore shit.

Good point.

I have seen though that metalcore is trying to label itself hardcore.

by **Jello Biafra** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:23 pm

Terra Agora wrote:Also whats wrong with Disorder?

Nothing, just that "Love Will Tear Us Apart" makes for a better introduction.

by **Terra Agora** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:25 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Also whats wrong with Disorder?

Nothing, just that "Love Will Tear Us Apart" makes for a better introduction.

True true

by **Kubra** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:27 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Post-punk is the mellower, darker stuff punk kids started playing after 78, the stuff that goth and new wave grew out of. British alternative grew out of post-punk, but American alternative grew out of post-hardcore after about 1984. Some American 'college rock' existed, but it wasn't until after hardcore punk's first wave that the American alternative scene took off.

2000's Hardcore and Post Hardcore sounds like generic metalcore. It sucks. Im not saying metalcore but modern post/hardcore does sound bad.

80's Post hardcore like Fugazi, Rites of Spring, and Drive Like Jehu is good shit.

>modern hardcore and posthardcore
>like metalcore

This is ridiculously untrue.

by **Soviet Haaregrad** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:27 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
2000s hardcore sounds like The Secret, Set Your Goals and Weekend Nachos, not pop metalcore shit.

Good point.

I have seen though that metalcore is trying to label itself hardcore.

Blame kids who think Pantera, Sepultura or Machine Head have anything to do with hardcore.
Or worse, kids who think Job For A Cowboy is hardcore.

by **Kubra** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:28 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Also whats wrong with Disorder?

Nothing, just that "Love Will Tear Us Apart" makes for a better introduction.

It really doesn't.
It's an accessible sound, but it's too far from Joy Divisions actual sound to be a good entry into their work

by **Soviet Haaregrad** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:29 pm

Kubra wrote:>modern hardcore and posthardcore
>like metalcore

This is ridiculously untrue.

Already addressed.

by **Jello Biafra** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:30 pm

Kubra wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Nothing, just that "Love Will Tear Us Apart" makes for a better introduction.
It really doesn't.
It's an accessible sound, but it's too far from Joy Divisions actual sound to be a good entry into their work

It's a good introduction to the post-punk genre as a whole, which included both accessible and non-accessible songs.

by **Soviet Haaregrad** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:32 pm

Post punk started as a way for guys who were sick of Exploited and Discharge calling them sellouts to have a 'scene'.

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