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Authoritarian-Left
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16%
Authoritarian-Right
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10%
Libertarian-Left
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43%
Libertarian-Right
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31%
 
Total votes : 98

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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:55 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Aeronos wrote:Libertarian mutualist, but apparently I'm more right than left, according to the compass.

Apparently free market = right wing :palm:


Actually that is true, right-wing means on the right side of the economic spectrum which is more free market.
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Postby Blau Stein » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:55 pm

Right Libertarian
Economic Left/Right: 6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

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Postby The Pope States » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:55 pm

I'm AUtheian Right

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Postby Mussoliniopoli » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:55 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Apparently free market = right wing :palm:


Actually that is true, right-wing means on the right side of the economic spectrum which is more free market.

No that isn't what it means. RIght would be reactionaries that is unless you are going to tell me that the creation of the Right-Left no longer has any meaning.
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Postby Terra Agora » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:56 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Apparently free market = right wing :palm:


Actually that is true, right-wing means on the right side of the economic spectrum which is more free market.

Historically left meant free market.

Also look at mutualism.

And last but not least left/right fucking sucks at describing ones political ideologies.
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Postby New Freedomstan » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:57 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Aeronos wrote:Libertarian mutualist, but apparently I'm more right than left, according to the compass.

Apparently free market = right wing :palm:

Indeedly. The test is just so... very wrong. Marxist-Leninists I know (and myself) score about -7 on the libertarian area, along with anarchists and others. Because in the great scheme of things, how involved the government is in people's sex life is one of the key differences between authoritarianism and libertarianism. Not to mention, it interprets answers in completely wrong way. I had to answer strongly disagree on the "In civilized society, there is those have to command and those who have to obey", but I do believe rigid centralism is neccessary to build socialism (which I'd guess would make me qualify as an authoritarian leftist). But not according to test.

I got -10.00 on the left/right scale though. That seems right enough.

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Postby Meryuma » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:57 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Apparently free market = right wing :palm:


Actually that is true, right-wing means on the right side of the economic spectrum which is more free market.


No, it's progressive (in the sense of progress) vs. reactionary.

Classical liberals were the original leftists, and they were free-market.
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Postby Terra Agora » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:58 pm

Meryuma wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Actually that is true, right-wing means on the right side of the economic spectrum which is more free market.


No, it's progressive (in the sense of progress) vs. reactionary.

Classical liberals were the original leftists, and they were free-market.

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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:59 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Actually that is true, right-wing means on the right side of the economic spectrum which is more free market.

Historically left meant free market.

Also look at mutualism.

And last but not least left/right fucking sucks at describing ones political ideologies.


I agree that's why i get irritated when people assume that if your right-wing that makes you conservative when in reality it just means your more capitalist.
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Postby Aeronos » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:59 pm

Meryuma wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Actually that is true, right-wing means on the right side of the economic spectrum which is more free market.


No, it's progressive (in the sense of progress) vs. reactionary.

Classical liberals were the original leftists, and they were free-market.

^ this. Libertarianism originated on the left.

Also, I did that c4ss test in your signature a week ago and got almost identical results (+/- 1% on everything except Anarchism, I was 77%). No wonder I agree with you here ;)
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:00 pm

Political compass says Authoritarian Left.

However, it is wrong in a couple of respects. The authoritarian bit should be higher. I believe the government should have a large role in society. My score in that respect is dragged downwards because of questions focusing on the area of cultural attitudes. Secondly, it often focuses on principles rather than responses to concrete political issues. The latter is a far better gauge of practical political positioning. My economic principles may be heavily leftward, but in practice I am rather more pragmatic.

EDIT: The Centre for a Stateless Society test a few others have mentioned appears quite substantially better. The wording is occasionally a little (impressively little, truth be told) slanted towards encouraging answers favouring minimal government, but a careful reading negates this slight issue. I especially like the five-way division that's used there.

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Postby Terra Agora » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:01 pm

Aeronos wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
No, it's progressive (in the sense of progress) vs. reactionary.

Classical liberals were the original leftists, and they were free-market.

^ this. Libertarianism originated on the left.

Also, I did that c4ss test in your signature a week ago and got almost identical results (+/- 1% on everything except Anarchism, I was 77%). No wonder I agree with you here ;)


I got around the same as Meryuma but im not a mutualist.
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"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:05 pm

Right 9.0
Libertarian 4.2

Of course as always, my being religious skews the numbers considerably, even though they are personal and I wouldn't apply them to society.
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Postby Caecili » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:07 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:Right 9.0
Libertarian 4.2

Of course as always, my being religious skews the numbers considerably, even though they are personal and I wouldn't apply them to society.


The religious section doesn't apply to your own personal religious beliefs, but how you project them on other people.
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Postby Achtungburg » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:12 pm

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Postby Whiskey Hill » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:16 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Historically left meant free market.

Also look at mutualism.

And last but not least left/right fucking sucks at describing ones political ideologies.


I agree that's why i get irritated when people assume that if your right-wing that makes you conservative when in reality it just means your more capitalist.


Left-Right comes to us from pre-revolutionary France, where the supporters of the King and the traditional order were on the Right and the opponents were on the Left. It was not about capitalism or a free market simply. There was a lot more going on.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:19 pm

Caecili wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:Right 9.0
Libertarian 4.2

Of course as always, my being religious skews the numbers considerably, even though they are personal and I wouldn't apply them to society.


The religious section doesn't apply to your own personal religious beliefs, but how you project them on other people.

No it doesn't. Not the way they worded it, they are asking you for your principles on the matter, it's not, do you believe sex outside of marriage should be illegal? It's do you consider it immoral. I do considered it (very slightly) immoral, but I don't apply that to anyone else. Just me.
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Postby Caecili » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:20 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Caecili wrote:
The religious section doesn't apply to your own personal religious beliefs, but how you project them on other people.

No it doesn't. Not the way they worded it, they are asking you for your principles on the matter, it's not, do you believe sex outside of marriage should be illegal? It's do you consider it immoral. I do considered it (very slightly) immoral, but I don't apply that to anyone else. Just me.


Ohh, you were referring to that question. I was thinking about the ones in the religious section because you referenced religion.
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Postby Siorafrica » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:24 pm

Left/Right -6.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian -2.1583

No surprise there.
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Postby Justownia » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:27 pm

The Political Compass is a joke of a political test that is heavily biased to the libertarian-left quadrant. (This could happen to do with the evidence that the Political Compass was created by a former member of the Labour Party, Glenys Kinnock.

Quiz2D is much, much more accurate, even though it's ironically created by a Libertarian.

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Postby The Merchant Republics » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:27 pm

Caecili wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:No it doesn't. Not the way they worded it, they are asking you for your principles on the matter, it's not, do you believe sex outside of marriage should be illegal? It's do you consider it immoral. I do considered it (very slightly) immoral, but I don't apply that to anyone else. Just me.


Ohh, you were referring to that question. I was thinking about the ones in the religious section because you referenced religion.

There were more of them?

Do you consider it important that your children get a religious education in school? On principle, I'd probably like to send my child to a religious school, so yes. Do I think public schools should be religious? No. Hell, no. If you'll pardon the wordplay.

The openness of sex in society question too, I'm a prude so help me, I don't think it should be illegal, but would I be happy without it, quite.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:28 pm

Justownia wrote:The Political Compass is a joke of a political test that is heavily biased to the libertarian-left quadrant. (This could happen to do with the evidence that the Political Compass was created by a former member of the Labour Party, Glenys Kinnock.

Quiz2D is much, much more accurate, even though it's ironically created by a Libertarian.

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Not seeing irony there. :eyebrow:
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Economic: Left/Right (7.55)
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Postby Terra Agora » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:31 pm

Took that Quiz2d got "Radical" Libertarian.

Its a better then right/left though.
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"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
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Postby Los Cabreddes » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:32 pm

Whichever one benefits my agenda.

I personally would consider myself a direct democracy, local governance, parents and states rights conservative.
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Postby New Manvir » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:00 pm

Libertarian-Left. See my sig.
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