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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:13 am

This thread is inspired by the faux pas committed a couple of nights ago by MSNBC commentators, including Rachel Maddow, in mispronouncing the name of the "Mackinac Center"; Rachel issued a retraction last night, which turned into an entertaining riff on American place names and their pronunciation.

I thought I'd expand on that idea and take it worldwide, especially given the presence of so many Canadians and Australians on this forum. What I'm looking for are local names that either are pronounced in weird ways, are just plain weird, have strange spellings, or have some interesting origin (with perhaps a story behind them).

As an inhabitant of Michigan, I live in a State rich in such names. A lot of our place names are Chippewa (or Ojibwe, depending on which term you prefer), including the State's name itself, which, according to Wikipedia, "is a French alteration of the Ojibwe word mishigama, meaning 'large water' or 'large lake'". Of course, that quote explains the second reason why our place names are so bizarre here (and, with it, the ultimate cause of Rachel's faux pas [which we should probably pronounce "fox paw", just to get into the spirit of things]): The French voyageurs who came through here and set up a combination of trading posts and missions (and sometimes both at once) rendered all of those Chippewa names into French, which American settlers arriving in the late 18th and early 19th Century following the Northwest Territory Act of 1787 proceeded to Anglicize, often with hysterical results.

Thus, "Detroit" is pronounced Dee-TROYT (or occasionally DEE-troyt in African-American circles), rather than "Deh-TWAH"; the little town where I went to high school (Grand Blanc) is pronounced "Grand Blank", rather than "Grahnd Blahnck" (Anglophones, you have to hold your nose to say that properly); and "Mackinac", as Rachel discovered when Michiganians twittered and texted her in outrage, is pronounced "MACK-ih-naw" (which is actually pretty close to the French pronunciation - go figure!).

But the fun only begins there. Like so many other places, we have our share of weird names that have no basis in "he said, she said", but rather are just plain weird.

  • Ypsilanti: Folks on the phone with me never get this right (it's pronounced "IP-sih-lan-tee"). Often, people living in the area make the mistake of thinking this is just another Chippewa name gone wrong, but it's not.

    The original name of the place was "Woodruff's Grove" (as incorporated in 1823), but in 1829 the residents changed the name to "Ypsilanti" in honor of Demetrius Ypsilanti, a hero in the Greek War of Independence (1821-1832). Apparently, the struggle of the Greek people for their independence from the Ottomans fired the imagination of Americans, and a number of towns were named after Field Marshal Ypsilanti; between the end of active military operations in 1829 and his death in 1832, he visited a number of them, living of his reputation (so to speak). In many cases, that led to the locals changing their community names back. As far as I can tell, only the former Woodruff's Grove kept the name (there's an Ypsilanti Township in Nouth Dakota, but its incorporation date suggests that it was named after the town in Michigan, rather than the dissipate Greek war hero).

  • Hell: Accounts differ as to how this unincorporated township got its name. The most likely is the one in which George Reeves, the man who helped establish the settlement (he built both a sawmill and a distillery there, which undoubtedly made him the richest man in town), told people when asked what the new community should be called: "You can name it Hell, for all I care!" FWIW, Hell Creek (which runs through the town) is named after the community, and not the other way around.

  • Paradise: Lots of places have this name; I mention it only so that you all know that the answer to the local joke, "How far is it from Hell to Paradise?" is "About 350 miles" (342.88 miles if you must be precise, an estimated drive of 5 hours, 27 minutes, according to Yahoo Maps). Notably, Paradise is in the Upper Peninsula, as opposed to the Lower Peninsula. Yoopers (residents of the U.P.) would claim this is no accident.

  • Kalamazoo: Pronounced exactly the way it looks. The town was originally named Bronson (BOHHHHH-ring!!!!), but was changed in 1836 (or 1837, depending on whether you're talking about the village (later city) or township; the county got its name independently, back in 1830. All were named after the river, and therein lies the puzzle. There's a whole friggin' Wikipedia article on the "Etymology of Kalamazoo", which ought to tell you that nobody really knows for sure what the name means, beyond "something in Potawatomi." The fact that there are basically less than 10 living people who speak Potawatomi (all elderly) and that the survivors speak two different dialects of the language (Northern and Southern) doesn't help matters any.

    Another part of the problem appears to be that the "Indian name" for the river used by the white settlers is their take on a Chippewa rendering of the original Potawatomi name, so the exact original name is questionable. It probably means something like "boiling pot" or "smoking water", a name that comes from the fact that the river is prone to a sort of wispy morning fog (as are the surrounding low areas). Having driven through the area scores of times between 3-6 AM (en route to and from Chicago), I can attest to the eerie beauty of the phenomenon (the interstate highway there is generally high enough not to experience the fog, but the surrounding countryside gets covered by it).

    Kalamazoo is a very popular name for use by artists and screenwriters; they seem to like to use it a lot because of the way it sounds. Of course, it could all be Glenn Miller's fault, too.
I'll come up with some more in a bit, but for now, let's open the floor to everybody else: What weird, funny, and unusual place-names or place-name anecdotes can you offer?
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Postby The Atlantean Menace » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:17 am

Elkader, Iowa.

Why is it weird? Because it's actually a phonetic spelling of what gave it it's name: Al-Qadir.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elkader,_Iowa

And, of course, who could forget Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. It changed it's name because some defunct game show promised to shoot in whatever town would change it's name to Truth or Consequences, and the town did to boost their economy.

It's also the former home of the "Toybox Killer." Something about a serial killer operating in a place called "Truth or Consequences" seems to be just too ridiculous for words.
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Postby Disco Tetris » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:21 am

We have a town called Monkey's Eyebrow and one called Possum Trot which I guess is kind of strange.

Also an Athens which is pronounced with a long vowel "Ay-thens" and a Versailles that is pronounced like "Ver-sails."

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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:48 am

The Atlantean Menace wrote:And, of course, who could forget Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. It changed it's name because some defunct game show promised to shoot in whatever town would change it's name to Truth or Consequences, and the town did to boost their economy.

It's also the former home of the "Toybox Killer." Something about a serial killer operating in a place called "Truth or Consequences" seems to be just too ridiculous for words.

I'm familiar with T-or-C, having lived in Albuquerque (hey, THERE'S a name!) for a few years (my sister lived there for over 15 years, during her first marriage), I should probably offer a few New Mexico towns as well:

  • Albuquerque: Pronounced "AL-buh-kerr-key", the name comes from the first Spanish governor of what is now New Mexico, who was the 8th Duke of Alburquerque [back in Spain; note the spelling difference]). There's some debate over the etymology of the Spanish place-name (it probably means "white oak", from the Latin "alba quercus", but there are competing theories).

    This is another place-name artists love, probably due to the way it sounds (Cheech and Chong once called in "Albaturkey" in a local [New Mexico] radio ad for a comedic appearance there).

  • Corrales: Pronounced "Cor-AL-less" by the locals, which is pretty close to the Spanish pronunciation. The name clearly comes from the origin of the community as a collection of ranchers, but it's not clear when it got its name: New Mexico was abandoned after the Pueblo Revolt until 1700 or so; I can't find if the place was named (and used for horse and cattle ranching) before the Revolt or not (local tradition says that it was, but I can't confirm this.

  • Raton: Pronounced "Ra-TONE", this is another Spanish name (meaning "little rat" or "mouse"); the name comes from the pass, which was the principal cut through the Southern Rockies into New Mexico - part of the Santa Fe trail. The name comes from the ubiquitous ground squirrels that inhabit much of New Mexico (formally, they're known as "antelope squirrels", which is an odd name all by itself!).

    BTW, driving over the Raton pass in the late afternoon or early evening is one of the most breathtaking sights I have ever seen.

  • Truth or Consequences: Yes, Hot Springs, New Mexico really did change their name back in 1950 as part of a promotion for a game show. There's one in every crowd...
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:48 am

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AMERICAN NAMES
I have fallen in love with American names,
The sharp names that never get fat,
The snakeskin-titles of mining-claims,
The plumed war-bonnet of Medicine Hat,
Tucson and Deadwood and Lost Mule Flat.


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There are English counties like hunting-tunes
Played on the keys of a postboy’s horn,
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I will remember Carquinez Straits,
Little French Lick and Lundy’s Lane,
The Yankee ships and the Yankee dates
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I will remember Skunktown Plain.


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I will get me a bottle of Boston sea
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I am tired of loving a foreign muse.


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Harrisburg, Spartanburg, Painted Post.


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And Henry and John were always right?
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Did they never watch for Nantucket Light?


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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:49 am

Disco Tetris wrote:We have a town called Monkey's Eyebrow and one called Possum Trot which I guess is kind of strange.

Also an Athens which is pronounced with a long vowel "Ay-thens" and a Versailles that is pronounced like "Ver-sails."

Missouri or Kentucky?

I know Canada's got some good ones. As for Oz, well, I can't wait for them to roll in here!
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Postby Forsakia » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:52 am

As a Welshman I suppose I have to contribute.

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Pronunciation is tricky. For a start double ll in Welsh is a different letter, with a sort of hl sound.

listen here.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... gogoch.ogg
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Postby Voerdeland » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:52 am

Mała Wieś przy Drodze in Poland. The name actually means "Small village by the road"

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Forsakia wrote:As a Welshman I suppose I have to contribute.

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Christ, how do you pronounce that?!?!?

Voerdeland wrote:Mała Wieś przy Drodze in Poland. The name actually means "Small village by the road"

They weren't exerting themselves to come up with that one, were they?

Sibirsky will probably have some fun Russian place names.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:53 am

Theres a bunch of Iroquois place/thing names where I'm from, such as cheektowaga, or scajaquada- these seem to give outsiders a bit of trouble, yet are natural enough for natives there.
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Postby Astralsideria » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:56 am

How about Marlborough (mawl-bruh), Althorpe (awl-trop), Bicester (bister), Ruislip (rice-lip), Beaulieu (bew-lee), Belvoir (beaver), Frome (froom) and Kilconquhar (kin-yuuk-uh) for starters? God, I love Britain :)
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Alien Space Bats wrote:
Forsakia wrote:As a Welshman I suppose I have to contribute.

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Christ, how do you pronounce that?!?!?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... gogoch.ogg


It's easy once you get the hang of it really. It's become asort of welsh party piece, even among those welsh who don't speak the language itself.
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Alien Space Bats wrote:
Forsakia wrote:As a Welshman I suppose I have to contribute.

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Christ, how do you pronounce that?!?!?

Voerdeland wrote:Mała Wieś przy Drodze in Poland. The name actually means "Small village by the road"

They weren't exerting themselves to come up with that one, were they?

Sibirsky will probably have some fun Russian place names.

YOU don't.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:59 am

We have a town here called Mianus(pronounced My Anus) that is the subject of much hilarity. There's a lot to see in Mianus. :)
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:59 am

Astralsideria wrote:How about Marlborough (mawl-bruh), Althorpe (awl-trop), Bicester (bister), Ruislip (rice-lip), Beaulieu (bew-lee), Belvoir (beaver), Frome (froom) and Kilconquhar (kin-yuuk-uh) for starters? God, I love Britain :)

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Worcestershire is "WOOS-ter-shur", isn't it?
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:00 pm

Wagga Wagga is always a good one. It's something aboriginal.

Also a big fan of Lake Disappointed. It's discoverers expected it to be fresh water, but it turned out to be a salt lake.
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Alien Space Bats wrote:
Forsakia wrote:As a Welshman I suppose I have to contribute.

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Christ, how do you pronounce that?!?!?


Take [hl] to be getting your tongue in position for an L-sound, but then blowing through it like an h. It's not quite right, but it's nearly there. [x] is a rasping, throat-scraping noise, sort of like the ch in loch or in Reich. [rr] is a rolled r, like a Scotsman. With that in mind, "[hl]an-vire-puu[hl]-gwin-gi[hl]-goh-geh-ri[x]-wuh[rr]n-droh-buu[hl]-[hl]an-tiss-illee-oh-goh-goh-goh[x]" isn't too bad an idea, I think, although some of my Welsh vowels are awful (I'm Welsh, but I don't speak the language anything like fluently, and almost never use it).
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Postby Lacadaemon » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:00 pm

Penistone is a pretty awesome town name.

Also there's a little village in Northumberland called Shilbottle, but as soon as the sign is cleaned, someone whips out the marker and alters it back to shitbottle.

Pretty much everyone except the residents call it shitbottle nowadays.
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Alien Space Bats wrote:
Astralsideria wrote:How about Marlborough (mawl-bruh), Althorpe (awl-trop), Bicester (bister), Ruislip (rice-lip), Beaulieu (bew-lee), Belvoir (beaver), Frome (froom) and Kilconquhar (kin-yuuk-uh) for starters? God, I love Britain :)

Guide to pronouncing British place-names: Swallow half the syllables.

Worcestershire is "WOOS-ter-shur", isn't it?


Yup, that's it. "Wuus-tuh-shuh", which is near "Less-tuh-shuh" (Leicestershire)

EDIT: I can't spell, it seems
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Postby Lacadaemon » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:02 pm

And let us not forget the totally awesome town of Fucking, in Austria.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:03 pm

We have a place called America in the Netherlands.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:03 pm

I lived in Foggy Bottom for a good year and a half before I could say "Foggy Bottom" without giggling like a schoolboy.
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Postby Jalanat » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:09 pm

Well, to give one incredibly weird example, there is a small town in the Netherlands, has 5 120 inhabitants that is called waspik. Now to you Englishmen, that doesn't sound weird at all but to give you some clue to its weirdness, in dutch, the name waspik, although it was never intended to mean that at all could actually be heard as wax dick. Was meaning wax and pik mean dick in dutch. Put them together and you have a lovely town in Brabant called waspik, aka wax dick.

However, the origin of the name is rather different, the name comes from the word Waes, which means marshland and pik which, while it also means a man's penis, also means a protruding piece of land.

What makes this town so goddamn laughable that through the center of this town that already has an incredibly stupid name is a train rails known as the halve zolenlijn. And a halve zool (plural: halve zolen) is often what people call somebody who is and idiot. As such, one could translate the word halve zolenlijn to idiot line. While the name was somewhat intentional, it mostly just refers to the shoe industry that was rather prevalent in that region at the time (noord brabant had a very large textile industry back then)

So there you have it, Waspik and the halve zolenlijn.
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Postby Neo Arcad » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:11 pm

Well, to the south of where I live is the town of Bowie.
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Postby Astralsideria » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:12 pm

Neo Arcad wrote:Well, to the south of where I live is the town of Bowie.
Try to pronounce it, Brits.

"Byoo-ee"? Just a guess?
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