Hate: Is it really that bad?

[Alevuss]

A Black Eyed Peas song comes to mind.

I don't listen BEP, so I wouldn't know, but nearly every NeverShoutNever song comes to mind.

Why hate so much? All it really does it get me frustrated, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. It's so much easier to act hateful, but so much easier in the long run to act lovingly and kind.

It doesn't always work, but no harm in trying to be kind. Somethings just have hate in them down to the core, but you can still protest their hate and act kindly. Best argument I've got at this hour.

[Nazi Flower Power]

We hated the Nazis, was that such a bad idea?

Nazis have feelings too! It hurts us when we read things like this.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Well, first of all, there's a difference between hating all Nazis and hating all Muslims. Every Nazi was a supporter of Nazi ideology; if they weren't, they wouldn't be in the party. They made a conscious political choice to associate with a very specific ideology. Muslims, on the other hand, are people belonging to a very large, diverse religion. Being a Muslim does not make you a wahabbist, or a qutbist, or any other form of fundamentalist, Islamist rubbish. By the logic that it does, every Christian must be a member of the NLFT, or be participating in anti-Jewish pogroms, or the KKK (a protestant Christian organization). That's insane. Nazis, on the other hand... that's a very specific ideology.

Yes, Oskar Schindler was evil.

[Sagatagan]

Well, first of all, there's a difference between hating all Nazis and hating all Muslims. Every Nazi was a supporter of Nazi ideology; if they weren't, they wouldn't be in the party. They made a conscious political choice to associate with a very specific ideology. Muslims, on the other hand, are people belonging to a very large, diverse religion. Being a Muslim does not make you a wahabbist, or a qutbist, or any other form of fundamentalist, Islamist rubbish. By the logic that it does, every Christian must be a member of the NLFT, or be participating in anti-Jewish pogroms, or the KKK (a protestant Christian organization). That's insane. Nazis, on the other hand... that's a very specific ideology.

Yes, Oskar Schindler was evil.

'Saving' people from genocide to use them as slave labor makes you a good guy? Oh, and he was using as slave labor TO MAKE AMMO for the Wehrmacht. Yeah, real upstanding guy.

[Genivaria]

Yes, Oskar Schindler was evil.

'Saving' people from genocide to use them as slave labor makes you a good guy? Oh, and he was using as slave labor TO MAKE AMMO for the Wehrmacht. Yeah, real upstanding guy.

SABOTAGED Ammo.

[Sagatagan]

'Saving' people from genocide to use them as slave labor makes you a good guy? Oh, and he was using as slave labor TO MAKE AMMO for the Wehrmacht. Yeah, real upstanding guy.

SABOTAGED Ammo.

Some of it. But if I enslave you to make sabotaged ammo while actively supporting the expansionist goals of the regime that wants to kill you, do I deserve to be 'righteous among nations'? Yeah, sure, he's better than most Nazis, but that's a low goddamn goal.

Edit: Also, Nazi Flower Power, if you think Nazis are something other than evil, why do you support Schindler? Either he was a slave-owning Nazi supporter, in which case he was evil, or he was opposed to the Nazis and saved a bunch of Jews, in which case, why the hell should any Nazi support him?


V I've learned to be wary of people who tacitly sympathize with the soldiers of the Wehrmacht while calling themselves things like 'Occupied Deutschland'. Even if they claim to oppose Nazism. You understand, yes?

[Occupied Deutschland]

'Saving' people from genocide to use them as slave labor makes you a good guy? Oh, and he was using as slave labor TO MAKE AMMO for the Wehrmacht. Yeah, real upstanding guy.

SABOTAGED Ammo.

Which could actually be argued to be worse. I mean, that ammo was going to random army units (it's not like ALL the product of his factory was specifically going to SS units) which means, likely as not, young German boys that got corralled into the army had their Mauser's backfire on them and suffered a slow death.
Thanks for the sabotaged ammo dick.
Edit: In no way defending Nazi's or their policies.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Yes, Oskar Schindler was evil.

'Saving' people from genocide to use them as slave labor makes you a good guy? Oh, and he was using as slave labor TO MAKE AMMO for the Wehrmacht. Yeah, real upstanding guy.

I suppose John Rabe was evil too?

[Qatarab]

Hate is a tool used by devious polticians to gain public support and thus be able to get the power they need to strengthen their position in the government and hopefully achieve their own goals. Its like the book 1984...the people outside the party are appeased by being allowed sex,booze and the ability to turn of that TV thingy plus that show that incites anger against the enemy which prevents anyone from getting any smart ideas and starting a rebellion against an obvious totalitarian government.

[Wamitoria]

That, of course, depends upon how baseless your hate is.

[Wamitoria]

Hate is a tool used by devious polticians to gain public support and thus be able to get the power they need to strengthen their position in the government and hopefully achieve their own goals. Its like the book 1984...the people outside the party are appeased by being allowed sex,booze and the ability to turn of that TV thingy plus that show that incites anger against the enemy which prevents anyone from getting any smart ideas and starting a rebellion against an obvious totalitarian government.

1984 references get you handjobs at Libertarian Party conventions.

[Sagatagan]

'Saving' people from genocide to use them as slave labor makes you a good guy? Oh, and he was using as slave labor TO MAKE AMMO for the Wehrmacht. Yeah, real upstanding guy.

I suppose John Rabe was evil too?

Again, if you're a Nazi, why do you see Rabe as anything worthwhile? He opposed Nazi allies. You seem to be trying to prove that Nazis are alright people by citing members of the Nazi party who actively worked against the Party. That doesn't make the Party any less awful, and unless a person is taking extraordinary measures, as did Rabe, to differentiate himself from the Party, one can assume that they probably agree with the core doctrine of the Party, which is a doctrine fundamentally opposed to human rights and democracy.

Your argument makes as much sense as saying white supremacists are alright because some of them stop being white supremacists.

[Sagatagan]

Hate is a tool used by devious polticians to gain public support and thus be able to get the power they need to strengthen their position in the government and hopefully achieve their own goals. Its like the book 1984...the people outside the party are appeased by being allowed sex,booze and the ability to turn of that TV thingy plus that show that incites anger against the enemy which prevents anyone from getting any smart ideas and starting a rebellion against an obvious totalitarian government.

1984 references get you handjobs at Libertarian Party conventions.

Which is weird, because Orwell was an anti-Stalinist socialist.

[Oglababa]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

maby ya havent been forgiven cuz ya commited the worst act of atrocity/genocide in human history! also hitler had no sanity.

[Occupied Deutschland]

That, of course, depends upon how baseless your hate is.

But is baseless hate really all that bad? I mean, say you hate Jews because you've never met one...should that be considered 'bad' so long as you don't go join the KKK and actively try to commit acts of violence upon those you hate? What's wrong with people being intolerant?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Hate is a tool used by devious polticians to gain public support and thus be able to get the power they need to strengthen their position in the government and hopefully achieve their own goals. Its like the book 1984...the people outside the party are appeased by being allowed sex,booze and the ability to turn of that TV thingy plus that show that incites anger against the enemy which prevents anyone from getting any smart ideas and starting a rebellion against an obvious totalitarian government.

1984 references get you handjobs at Libertarian Party conventions.

How did you know? We always do that in the backrooms where no one can...
I mean...that's just baseless hate against Libertarians.

Edit: Joke answer to Title of thread: No it's not. In fact it's so not really bad we should institutionalize it!

[Wamitoria]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

People who supported your supposed ideology started the most devastating war in human history, and managed to commit genocide by applying the principles of the assembly line to it.

That's why people have a problem with National Socialism.

[Wamitoria]

1984 references get you handjobs at Libertarian Party conventions.

How did you know? We always do that in the backrooms where no one can...
I mean...that's just baseless hate against Libertarians.

It was a joke. Relax.

But is baseless hate really all that bad? I mean, say you hate Jews because you've never met one...should that be considered 'bad' so long as you don't go join the KKK and actively try to commit acts of violence upon those you hate? What's wrong with people being intolerant?

That depends. Would that person support the decisions of anyone that tried to commit acts of violence upon Jews?

[Sagatagan]

That, of course, depends upon how baseless your hate is.

But is baseless hate really all that bad? I mean, say you hate Jews because you've never met one...should that be considered 'bad' so long as you don't go join the KKK and actively try to commit acts of violence upon those you hate? What's wrong with people being intolerant?

Because eventually, you or someone you've influenced is probably going to meet someone you're intolerant to, and then there'll be trouble. Also, because why the hell should you be racist? It's intellectually unjustifiable.

[Qatarab]

How do you hate someone when you don't know them or about them and no Fox news does not count....

if i told you a man does everything you despise in life,would you hate him?
of course you would but problem is simply trusting my word. I saw a quote somewhere saying that "You know a politician is lying as soon as his mouth opens". Politicians might state they work for public good but if they are devious little fellows who openly show their contempt(cough Tea Party cough) then why the HELL are you trusting them?

If some guy i knew as a racist ignorant bastard were to tell me something like muslims are all terrorists,i'd stick the finger at him and tell him to get the F away from me.

Some Americans don't seem to realize that they are believing the "news" more than their own experience. Sure news brings "news" from other parts of the world but how accurately? Sometimes you just can't outright believe them and that's why when i here a bit of news i view as suspicious i go online and do some researching. I can't possibly hate people when i know nothing about them except for what im told from a box that emits light in a certain pattern to show a visual on a screen and emits sound from its side speakers...People believed that Libyan rebels hated Americans yet the fighter pilot who ejected over Libya was greatly treated by the rebels. This goes to show that the news is only here to bring you notice,not facts. News,in my opinion,is just a more formal type of entertainment cause those news people on TV are treated like celeberties...

[Chumblywumbly]

But is baseless hate really all that bad? I mean, say you hate Jews because you've never met one...should that be considered 'bad' so long as you don't go join the KKK and actively try to commit acts of violence upon those you hate?

It's bad in and of itself because it's completely irrational, baseless and indefensible.

Even if no bad action would come from the irrational hatred, it's as bad as any other patently irrational belief.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Edit: Also, Nazi Flower Power, if you think Nazis are something other than evil, why do you support Schindler? Either he was a slave-owning Nazi supporter, in which case he was evil, or he was opposed to the Nazis and saved a bunch of Jews, in which case, why the hell should any Nazi support him?


V I've learned to be wary of people who tacitly sympathize with the soldiers of the Wehrmacht while calling themselves things like 'Occupied Deutschland'. Even if they claim to oppose Nazism. You understand, yes?

I wasn't objecting the idea that Nazism is an evil ideology, just to the idea that every last person who followed it was an evil person. A person can have some wrong ideas in their head without being all around evil.

[Wamitoria]

Edit: Also, Nazi Flower Power, if you think Nazis are something other than evil, why do you support Schindler? Either he was a slave-owning Nazi supporter, in which case he was evil, or he was opposed to the Nazis and saved a bunch of Jews, in which case, why the hell should any Nazi support him?


V I've learned to be wary of people who tacitly sympathize with the soldiers of the Wehrmacht while calling themselves things like 'Occupied Deutschland'. Even if they claim to oppose Nazism. You understand, yes?

I wasn't objecting the idea that Nazism is an evil ideology, just to the idea that every last person who followed it was an evil person. A person can have some wrong ideas in their head without being all around evil.

And what we're saying is that those who weren't evil didn't really follow the ideology.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I mean, say you hate Jews because you've never met one...should that be considered 'bad' so long as you don't go join the KKK and actively try to commit acts of violence upon those you hate?

Yes, it should.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I wasn't objecting the idea that Nazism is an evil ideology, just to the idea that every last person who followed it was an evil person. A person can have some wrong ideas in their head without being all around evil.

And what we're saying is that those who weren't evil didn't really follow the ideology.

But they are Nazis. The post I replied to that started all this said that Nazis are all evil because they wouldn't be in the Nazi Party if they didn't believe in Nazism.