Hate: Is it really that bad?

[Ceannairceach]

The Old Testement, though hardly a moral code ordered to be followed, is still treated like one, and is still used to justify the murder of people God hates. And yes, the Bible does say that god hates people; male prostitutes, I believe one is. It isn't an entirely loving book, and neither is the Koran. The Koran orders the killing of Non-believers for some reason(not just for the hell of it, as some believe), and so does the Bible.

I don't entirely know. But I do know that not all Muslims are fanatics, just as all Christians are not.

Where has the Old Testament been used to justify the murder of people God hates? I know for a fact that the Bible does say he hates gay people, but he never ordered people to go out do anything about it. All the destruction in the Old Testament was through divine intervention by God himself and is further clarified that humans are not to take action against a fellow human being in the New Testament. Jesus literally told his apostles to turn the other cheek (Where do you think the phrase came from?).

And I would like to take this one step further. Where has it been seen where radical Christian groups who use force actually quote the Bible directly? As opposed to every Muslim terror attack who quotes the Qur'an in one form or another.

*Sigh* This isn't a religious thread, so I'm not going to tear apart the bible to find quotes for you; but please, read the OT. Jews are ordered, as per their law code, to smite all who god hates; those who work on the sabbath, gays, etc.

And, I believe many Christians site the Bible when going against gays, Muslims, etc. Though, obviously, their are more visible cases of Islamic Radicalism nowadays, so I don't know where to find a source, and nor do I care to continue on about religion in a hate thread.

[Good Germans]

Birds over words, man. Birds over words.

Hate is only considered hate if the person its directed at takes it as hate. If everyone just grew a thicker epidermis 'hate words' wouldn't have that 'hateful' stigma behind them.

[Siorafrica]

I hate everyone and I can't help it. If you fart in my face don't be hating if I complain about the smell.

The aggression, the double standards,the stupidity,the vanity,bad beginning (stupid woman/common ancestor/multi-coloured snake) the conventionalism,how hard it is to get the blindingly obvious to sink in,2 crap approaches to the same problems,the good in man hasn't outweighed the bad and people don't want it to because it's easier to do bad and pretend that it's good.

If you could avoid hating someine/a group then do. Be mindful of them though.

[Sagatagan]

Birds over words, man. Birds over words.

Hate is only considered hate if the person its directed at takes it as hate. If everyone just grew a thicker epidermis 'hate words' wouldn't have that 'hateful' stigma behind them.

No, but hate crimes would still terrorize whole communities. It doesn't matter how thick your skin is. If people are getting beaten or shot or bombed for being the same color or creed as you, you're going to be scared. You're going to be less able to enjoy your life. Prejudice matters.

Edit: Also, the responsibility is not on the victim of prejudice to grow a thick skin. It's on the purveyor of prejudice to not be a goddamn racist.

[The Parkus Empire]

To hate a demographic because the actions of a few is retarded. Atheists have done shitty things, Christians have, Muslims have, Democrats have, Republicans have, whites have, blacks have, ect. Singling out one to hate for these actions is bias, and thus nonsensical. If hate really made sense that way, then the only thing to do would be to hate everything and everyone.

However, there's nothing wrong with hating a group for its inherent negative traits.

I like how you compared Muslims to Nazis in the OP. Preemptive GodWinRar.

[Genivaria]

Yes, it is. It really is that bad.

[Johz]

The Old Testement, though hardly a moral code ordered to be followed, is still treated like one, and is still used to justify the murder of people God hates. And yes, the Bible does say that god hates people; male prostitutes, I believe one is. It isn't an entirely loving book, and neither is the Koran. The Koran orders the killing of Non-believers for some reason(not just for the hell of it, as some believe), and so does the Bible.

I don't entirely know. But I do know that not all Muslims are fanatics, just as all Christians are not.

Where has the Old Testament been used to justify the murder of people God hates? I know for a fact that the Bible does say he hates gay people, but he never ordered people to go out do anything about it. All the destruction in the Old Testament was through divine intervention by God himself and is further clarified that humans are not to take action against a fellow human being in the New Testament. Jesus literally told his apostles to turn the other cheek (Where do you think the phrase came from?).

People who committed improper relations with animals, family members, married people, virgins outside of marraige, people of the same gender, and I suspect others were all to be put to death by stoning. Indeed, there are heaps, and heaps, and heaps of things in the old testament that were punishable by law. Just take a look through Leviticus, Deuteronomy etc.

Although you are right about the NT's gospel of love, and, interestingly, a woman about to be stoned for either prosititution or adultery appealed to Jesus. He sat drawing in the sand for a while, then got up and told the elders 'let he who has no guilt cast the first stone'. Well, obviously they aren't guilt-free, so they wander away, and Jesus says to the woman 'go, and do not sin again'. So yes, we don't really need to throw stones at each other, but does this still mean that gays are against God? I mean, I disagree, but I wondered your thoughts?

[Gallogach]

I should have clarified. It wasn't the second founding of the KKK that I was referring to. The second iteration I am referring to is how it transformed from spooking people to a terrorist organization. I'd know because I had to do a counter-terrorism analysis on the topic a few years back.

Fun little tidbit: The KKK was actually founded as a fraternal organization that played practical jokes on people while wearing white masks. It didn't become racist until its second iteration, in which Forest actually resigned to have no part of.

And Muslim is an ideology that follows its founding principles very literally. There aren't other iterations or version of their holy book like there is the Bible. But lets not just focus on a single group here. They might get offended.

[spoiler]

First off, these are mostly articles posted and any idiot can write an article and proclaim themselves as an expert. Sorry, my opinion is that online articles are about 90% less credible than books. Secondly, these don't all address the issue I was pointing out. 99.6% of terrorists not being Muslim? This was about supporters of the cause. And the American Thinker article had some very good counterpoints that debunked many 'facts' of the article I saw in a passing glance.

Actually, the Klan was originally an anti-Republican terrorist organization during reconstruction, founded by Confederate veterans. Forrest died almost 30 years before the Klan was started fir a second go.

So, wait, you offer no sources for your initial claims, then, when someone offers sources, you pretend it's a bad thing? One of my sources was Pew Research. Another was the Christian Science Monitor. These two are hallmarks of media sourcing.

There aren't any other variations on Islam? What about Sufism, Ahmaddiyah, Barghawata, Kharijites, the Qur'an alone movement, Yazdânism, Ahl-e Haqq, Mahdavism, Bábism, Druze, and all the subsects of those? That's not even getting into the divisions and disagreements both between and within the Sunni and the Shia! Here, have a chart:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... chools.svg

Now do yourself a favor, and study both the fundamental beliefs of Islam, and the variations within these branches.

Ok, sorry but HOLY SHIT YOU JUST HIT THE WRONG BUTTON YOU IGNORANT MOTHER FUCKER WHO THINKS HE KNOWS SOMETHING BECAUSE HE CAN GOOGLE!!! Do you think the "Hallmarks" of media are subject matter experts? And was I debunking the Pew Research Center you put up there that said supporting terrorism generally depends on your location? No, but 9/11 was a special case numb nuts in which a large percentile (around 70%) of Muslims said were justified. Tell me that isn't terrorism they supported. And when the Hell did I say there weren't variations of Islam? I said their holy book the Qur'an fucktard. Oh, and nice touch with the wikipedia image link. Really adds legitimacy to your argument. Though I am not one to talk because I am cursing in every other sentence (But it sure feels good to type it).

[Good Germans]

Birds over words, man. Birds over words.

Hate is only considered hate if the person its directed at takes it as hate. If everyone just grew a thicker epidermis 'hate words' wouldn't have that 'hateful' stigma behind them.

No, but hate crimes would still terrorize whole communities. It doesn't matter how thick your skin is. If people are getting beaten or shot or bombed for being the same color or creed as you, you're going to be scared. You're going to be less able to enjoy your life. Prejudice matters.

Edit: Also, the responsibility is not on the victim of prejudice to grow a thick skin. It's on the purveyor of prejudice to not be a goddamn racist.

Its actually both their responsibilities. But whatever.

[Ceannairceach]

I should have clarified. It wasn't the second founding of the KKK that I was referring to. The second iteration I am referring to is how it transformed from spooking people to a terrorist organization. I'd know because I had to do a counter-terrorism analysis on the topic a few years back.

Actually, the Klan was originally an anti-Republican terrorist organization during reconstruction, founded by Confederate veterans. Forrest died almost 30 years before the Klan was started fir a second go.

So, wait, you offer no sources for your initial claims, then, when someone offers sources, you pretend it's a bad thing? One of my sources was Pew Research. Another was the Christian Science Monitor. These two are hallmarks of media sourcing.

There aren't any other variations on Islam? What about Sufism, Ahmaddiyah, Barghawata, Kharijites, the Qur'an alone movement, Yazdânism, Ahl-e Haqq, Mahdavism, Bábism, Druze, and all the subsects of those? That's not even getting into the divisions and disagreements both between and within the Sunni and the Shia! Here, have a chart:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... chools.svg

Now do yourself a favor, and study both the fundamental beliefs of Islam, and the variations within these branches.

Ok, sorry but HOLY SHIT YOU JUST HIT THE WRONG BUTTON YOU IGNORANT MOTHER FUCKER WHO THINKS HE KNOWS SOMETHING BECAUSE HE CAN GOOGLE!!! Do you think the "Hallmarks" of media are subject matter experts? And was I debunking the Pew Research Center you put up there that said supporting terrorism generally depends on your location? No, but 9/11 was a special case numb nuts in which a large percentile (around 70%) of Muslims said were justified. Tell me that isn't terrorism they supported. And when the Hell did I say there weren't variations of Islam? I said their holy book the Qur'an fucktard. Oh, and nice touch with the wikipedia image link. Really adds legitimacy to your argument. Though I am not one to talk because I am cursing in every other sentence (But it sure feels good to type it).

I'll sit here and wait for the warning you will get for flaming...

Don't get so worked up. Its a forum.

[Gallogach]

Will I get warned? Yeah. But it was worth it

[Ceannairceach]

Will I get warned? Yeah. But it was worth it

I doubt it will be when you get banned, the usual crime of flaming... But meh, whatever.

Another outcome of hate; what goes around usually comes around.

[Genivaria]

"Where has the Old Testament been used to justify the murder of people God hates? "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwiU7th ... ideo_title
Everything is cited.

[Gallogach]

"Where has the Old Testament been used to justify the murder of people God hates? "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwiU7th ... ideo_title
Everything is cited.

NIce


(And if what goes around comes around is getting banned from the forum: Who cares?)

[Sagatagan]

I should have clarified. It wasn't the second founding of the KKK that I was referring to. The second iteration I am referring to is how it transformed from spooking people to a terrorist organization. I'd know because I had to do a counter-terrorism analysis on the topic a few years back.

Actually, the Klan was originally an anti-Republican terrorist organization during reconstruction, founded by Confederate veterans. Forrest died almost 30 years before the Klan was started fir a second go.

So, wait, you offer no sources for your initial claims, then, when someone offers sources, you pretend it's a bad thing? One of my sources was Pew Research. Another was the Christian Science Monitor. These two are hallmarks of media sourcing.

There aren't any other variations on Islam? What about Sufism, Ahmaddiyah, Barghawata, Kharijites, the Qur'an alone movement, Yazdânism, Ahl-e Haqq, Mahdavism, Bábism, Druze, and all the subsects of those? That's not even getting into the divisions and disagreements both between and within the Sunni and the Shia! Here, have a chart:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... chools.svg

Now do yourself a favor, and study both the fundamental beliefs of Islam, and the variations within these branches.

Ok, sorry but HOLY SHIT YOU JUST HIT THE WRONG BUTTON YOU IGNORANT MOTHER FUCKER WHO THINKS HE KNOWS SOMETHING BECAUSE HE CAN GOOGLE!!! Do you think the "Hallmarks" of media are subject matter experts? And was I debunking the Pew Research Center you put up there that said supporting terrorism generally depends on your location? No, but 9/11 was a special case numb nuts in which a large percentile (around 70%) of Muslims said were justified. Tell me that isn't terrorism they supported. And when the Hell did I say there weren't variations of Islam? I said their holy book the Qur'an fucktard. Oh, and nice touch with the wikipedia image link. Really adds legitimacy to your argument. Though I am not one to talk because I am cursing in every other sentence (But it sure feels good to type it).

Oh look, someone responded to your racist ramblings with sources, and you flew off the handle and flamed them.

Typical.

The variations in Islam mean that there are variations in interpreting the Koran, 'fucktard'. Kind of like how the Bible used by Catholics and Lutherans is the same (with a few minor differences), but I don't want to sit at a table with two of them and listen to them bicker over the legitimacy of papal authority or the nature of the eucharist.

Oh no, I 'hit your wrong button', huh? Watcha gonna do, swear at me some more an make unsourced, unsubstantiated claims about people? Spare your tough guy crap for someone who's intimidated.

Also, whether or not the KKK started as an organization to 'spook' people (a claim that I can find no credible source for), it became a Protestant Christian organization devoted to violent religious and racial terrorism. That's an undeniable fact.

Oh, and 9/11? Here, have a Gallup Poll:
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/02/27 ... demn-9-11/

'Numbnuts'

[Sagatagan]

Ahem

[Yootwopia]

Because You're Better Than Them, obv.! (Note: Judger may in fact not be a better person in any respect).

Ah, glad we've sorted that one out. Well I hate you, Yootopia.

Go fuck yerself

[Johz]

Ah, glad we've sorted that one out. Well I hate you, Yootopia.

Go fuck yerself

You know, ever since I wrote that post, a hasty gag, expecting a quick cheap laugh, well I've been filled with remorse beyond imagining. You know, Yootopia, I can't deny my true feelings any more.

Brohug!

[Meryuma]

Islam isn't monolithic, and you didn't source your statistic.

[Yootwopia]

Go fuck yerself

You know, ever since I wrote that post, a hasty gag, expecting a quick cheap laugh, well I've been filled with remorse beyond imagining. You know, Yootopia, I can't deny my true feelings any more.

Brohug!

I'm sorry, but you're dead to me

[Gallogach]

Now your just trying too hard Saga. I think your jealous that I am not banned yet and I don't care if I will be

[Big Jim P]

Hate is merely a tool.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

Hating things, not so bad. I hate vegetables, looking at me all droopy with their healthy superiority, can't even muster a decent taste for the most part... I digress.

Hating on a group of people for something identifiable other than a widespread mindset of general ignorance and blind hysteria (yes, I have particulars in mind) is asinine. To say all Christians are condescending or judgmental, to say all black people are uneducated thugs, to say all white people are spoiled oppressors or white trash, so on and so forth is lumping people into broad generalizations with no real accuracy. I don't care for that. Everyone is different. I try to keep that in mind usually.

[The Parkus Empire]

No, but 9/11 was a special case numb nuts in which a large percentile (around 70%) of Muslims said were justified.

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[Sagatagan]

Now your just trying too hard Saga. I think your jealous that I am not banned yet and I don't care if I will be

No retort? Just an ad hominem? Predictable.