Hate: Is it really that bad?

[Gallogach]

Now I know you are all thinking I wrote this just to stir up the hornet's nest, right? Well guess what? I did. I want to see what people honestly think about this and why. Now I am not going to sit here and tell you to be respectful/proper because that would make this thread a moot point. All I ask is that you give a slightly logic debate.

So let me ask you politically correct nuts who are so obsessed with not hurting anyone's feelings and those who would rather be quiet about their beliefs to avoid being rebuked by those over zealous advocates: Why is it so important to not hate other people? We hated the Nazis, was that such a bad idea? I am sure things would have gone great if we decided to live and let live with the Nazis. We hated the Commies after that, were we also wrong there? Do you think it would have been just fine to let the USSR do as it pleased?

My point is that hating people has gotten stuff done in the past. So why is it so bad to hate people now, like Muslims? Is it because not all of them committed terrorist attacks and directly engage in combat against people? I am sure that not all Nazis or Russians committed genocide or even supported it. Unlike the Muslims population that has a mere 70% approval rating of the terrorist attacks against the west. Is that statistic I gave (which fluctuates between 50-70% to be fair) part of islamaphobia - a word I never heard of until I turned on CNN this past year. A word so new that Mozilla is trying to correct the word right now in to Islamabad. I want to know why it is so bad to hate something now a days.

Thoughts?

[Rolamec]

A Black Eyed Peas song comes to mind.

[Yootwopia]

I want to know why it is so bad to hate something now a days.

Because it makes you tedious to be around for anything other than a few minutes.

[Coccygia]

A Tom Lehrer song comes to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY

[Grandais]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

[Jeux II]

A Black Eyed Peas song comes to mind.

Same

[The Merchant Republics]

Judge not by colour or creed but by the content of one's character.

To paraphrase Martin Luther King.

Muslims are not intrinsically supportive of terrorism, as such hating all Muslims for the crimes of some Muslims is wrong. You can feel free to hate the Muslims who are terrorists, but if they aren't then your hatred is misplaced. Hatred for that matter only begets more hatred and violence, which solves very little.

[Kubrath]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

Because the most memorable acts of terror were committed in the name of a pseudo-socialist idea.

[Ceannairceach]

Hate is simply a tool, in my opinion. We use it to disassociate with our enemies. "They did this, so they should be hated," "They want to do this, so they should be hated," "They are about to do what we are planning to do to them, so they should be hated". Really, no one should be hated; hate what they believe in, hate what they support, but not hate people. Its rather pointless, really.

And can I get a source for that statistic on Muslims supporting terrorism?

[Vivolve]

There's nothing truly logical about hate, and it's effects there after. I believe that as a human race, through experience or conditioning or however, everyone has felt hate at some point or another. It's how you control this negativity that counts.

[Octopucta]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

Because the most memorable acts of terror were committed in the name of a pseudo-socialist idea.

Yeah, no one likes socialists. There is no other possible reason for not liking Hitler's tools.

[Rolamec]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

Because the most memorable acts of terror were committed in the name of a pseudo-socialist idea.

Not to mention, Nazism or national socialism isn't the only one which isn't forgiven. Communism isn't nor is socialism. And to the idiotic few, capitalism too.

[Gallogach]

I tend to agree with judging people as individuals but there has to be some point when you say the ideology of a group as a who needs to be seriously looked at and possibly revised. A policy of white supremacy by a group is generally accepted as a bad thing isn't it? Would you support a Christian group who gave you these three options: Convert to us, submit to us and admit you are a second-class citizen who has to pay a tax to not be us, or die?

[Seperate Vermont]

Hate towards anyone can delude rational judgements about them, even the Nazis. I am one to believe in a universal right and wrong line in this area.

[The Atlantean Menace]

I cannot respect anyone who claims that they do not judge or hate any other human being. It sounds like something we should all aspire to on a shallow level, but when you think about it, this is absurd. Someone who does not "hate" anyone is not a "good" person - they are an unbelievably weak person, devoid of opinions and morality.

While there's the whole "hate the sin, love the sinner" thing some people say, I believe this is a poor outlook. Actions and opinions reflect who you are as a person, they are inseparable. Someone who commits child molestation is a child molester - a molestation isn't like an assault, where the situation could've simply gotten out of hand and people resorted to violence. Child molestation is a crime someone commits because they want to have sex with a child, and either ignore all the horrific effects this will have on the child, don't care about them, or delude themselves into thinking they don't exist. I hate someone with so little regard for their fellow human beings that they can believe these things and take these actions.

Same with serial killers. I hate serial killers. Not because I believe all murder is wrong, but because serial killers don't really kill for a reason - they have no real motivation other than killing because (Insert mentally ill explanation here.) I believe that taking a human being's life is a serious thing that should only be done under a very small number of circumstances, and "because my neighbor's dog told me to" is not one of them. I hate people who lack the willpower to realize that Satan is probably not talking to them through their neighbor's dog, and if he seems to be, they should probably check themselves into the psych ward.

However, that is not to say all forms of hate are positive. I only support those hatreds which are based on actions and words, the content of the character, not the appearance of the form.

[SD_Film Artists]

A Black Eyed Peas song comes to mind.

Same

Honda Advert comes to mind ^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AkmlpQ1q0

[Sagatagan]

Well, first of all, there's a difference between hating all Nazis and hating all Muslims. Every Nazi was a supporter of Nazi ideology; if they weren't, they wouldn't be in the party. They made a conscious political choice to associate with a very specific ideology. Muslims, on the other hand, are people belonging to a very large, diverse religion. Being a Muslim does not make you a wahabbist, or a qutbist, or any other form of fundamentalist, Islamist rubbish. By the logic that it does, every Christian must be a member of the NLFT, or be participating in anti-Jewish pogroms, or the KKK (a protestant Christian organization). That's insane. Nazis, on the other hand... that's a very specific ideology.

Now, if you're talking about hating GERMANS as a whole, that's just stupid. Many Germans opposed the Nazis, and many were killed by the Nazis.

[Imperium Neo Roma]

Well, first of all, there's a difference between hating all Nazis and hating all Muslims. Every Nazi was a supporter of Nazi ideology; if they weren't, they wouldn't be in the party. They made a conscious political choice to associate with a very specific ideology. Muslims, on the other hand, are people belonging to a very large, diverse religion. Being a Muslim does not make you a wahabbist, or a qutbist, or any other form of fundamentalist, Islamist rubbish. By the logic that it does, every Christian must be a member of the NLFT, or be participating in anti-Jewish pogroms, or the KKK (a protestant Christian organization). That's insane. Nazis, on the other hand... that's a very specific ideology.

Now, if you're talking about hating GERMANS as a whole, that's just stupid. Many Germans opposed the Nazis, and many were killed by the Nazis.

Very well said.

[Izarius]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

the National in National Socialist implies prejudice. Sure you might oppose genocidal killings. But you are still nationalist, and thus prejudiced. I won't judge you as being a Hitler, but I'll judge you as being a racist.

[Johz]

Yeah, but why hate anyone? Who, today, is deserving of hate? And if no-one's worthy of being hated, then why bother? It's boring, makes you an arse to be around, loses you friends, and, well, CBA. Where is the love? And now I've got that song stuck in my head. Never mind, quantum shift and all, and now it's 'I gotta feeling'...

[Gauthier]

A Black Eyed Peas song comes to mind.

Same

Boom Boom Pow?

[The Atlantean Menace]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

the National in National Socialist implies prejudice. Sure you might oppose genocidal killings. But you are still nationalist, and thus prejudiced. I won't judge you as being a Hitler, but I'll judge you as being a racist.

Nation =/= Ethnicity

[Sagatagan]

As a national socialist myself, and one who understands and regrets the actions of the past committed in its name, I find myself increasingly bombarded with prejudice in relation to my political leanings. I have to write large paragraphs explaining that I am not a bloodthirsty white supremacist monster, which many people choose not to believe. At one point I was banned from a popular forum for being a Nazi. All regimes have committed terrible acts, why are we the only ones who have no been forgiven?

Prejudice is bad mmkay?

Oh, you poor maligned man! How cruel this awful world is, to see someone who openly affiliates themselves with a regime that instituted the most infamous program of genocide in history, a program of genocide that flowed directly from that party's core ideas, and assume that they, a follower of those ideas, are a bigot or a dangerous person! Oh, cruel fate! When will people learn to see beyond the swastika, and into the ugliness within?

[Yootwopia]

Yeah, but why hate anyone?

Because You're Better Than Them, obv.! (Note: Judger may in fact not be a better person in any respect).

[Ceannairceach]

I cannot respect anyone who claims that they do not judge or hate any other human being. It sounds like something we should all aspire to on a shallow level, but when you think about it, this is absurd. Someone who does not "hate" anyone is not a "good" person - they are an unbelievably weak person, devoid of opinions and morality.

It is entirely possible not to hate. I don't hate much; I may say "I fucking hate this, I fucking hate that", but I never truly mean it. That said, I have opinions, and a simple view on morality as well. Hate is old hat, anyway; I like to keep in style.

While there's the whole "hate the sin, love the sinner" thing some people say, I believe this is a poor outlook. Actions and opinions reflect who you are as a person, they are inseparable.

Considering people can change their opinions on the dime, and "make up", in a way, for their actions, they are separable.

Someone who commits child molestation is a child molester - a molestation isn't like an assault, where the situation could've simply gotten out of hand and people resorted to violence. Child molestation is a crime someone commits because they want to have sex with a child, and either ignore all the horrific effects this will have on the child, don't care about them, or delude themselves into thinking they don't exist. I hate someone with so little regard for their fellow human beings that they can believe these things and take these actions.

...Or they are seriously fucked up in the head, and believe the child loves them like that, believes that's what the child wants, et al. I doubt you have the degrees necessary to pick apart of molesters mind.

Same with serial killers. I hate serial killers. Not because I believe all murder is wrong, but because serial killers don't really kill for a reason - they have no real motivation other than killing because (Insert mentally ill explanation here.)

Their are many reasons that serial kills kill. Blind hate, being one of them.

I believe that taking a human being's life is a serious thing that should only be done under a very small number of circumstances, and "because my neighbor's dog told me to" is not one of them. I hate people who lack the willpower to realize that Satan is probably not talking to them through their neighbor's dog, and if he seems to be, they should probably check themselves into the psych ward.

I believe Catch-22 had something to say about this... If you are functioning enough to check yourself in as mentally scarred, you're probably mentally scarred. But if you never check in, you will never know. Given that this a very simple version, I think it fits well. Mentally insane people, I doubt, are capable of rationally believing they have a mental illness.