Should Israel be allowed to colonize its neighbors?

[Coccygia]

I'm a bit disappointed that there was not an option in the poll that said, "Israel should be allowed to sodomize its neighbors."

[Republicke]

First of all you need to have proof

other than that even if it were true that means nothing, that's like saying since a rapist gives people apples you shouldn't give people apples.

That is chilling, Republicke! I will have to track down a copy of "At the Gates of Yassergad".

Unfortunately Haaretz's online database only goes back to 2009 for Amir Oren - I'll let you know if I find a verifiable source.

[Set the Unbound]

That is chilling, Republicke! I will have to track down a copy of "At the Gates of Yassergad".

Unfortunately Haaretz's online database only goes back to 2009 for Amir Oren - I'll let you know if I find a verifiable source.

That would be appreciated, otherwise I'll find a copy of the book. Cheers!

[Set the Unbound]

I'm a bit disappointed that there was not an option in the poll that said, "Israel should be allowed to sodomize its neighbors."

Religious settlers stopped me. They said fire and brimstone would rain on my poll.

[Ralkovia]

What nazi manuals?

Amir Oren, "At the Gates of Yassergad", published January 2001 in Haaretz (allegedly: I'm having difficulty finding the article in question).

Anyway, it asserts that the Israeli IDF study the tactics Nazis used during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in order to better be aware of and respond to the occupied population (ie: Palestinians). I believe it's as part of a wider curriculum.

Not really a big deal. The U.S studies Japanese, British, and Viet Cong tactics. France studies Nazi tactics. Pretty sure everyone studies previous historical battles.

The German Military from 1939-1943 was pretty boss. To study their tactics, especially when considering the type of warfare the Israeli's wage. Namely air attack with motorized ground support in the form of tanks. It wouldn't be surprising if the IDF's curriculum wasn't totally focused on Nazi war manuals. Success breeds copy cats.

[Set the Unbound]

Amir Oren, "At the Gates of Yassergad", published January 2001 in Haaretz (allegedly: I'm having difficulty finding the article in question).

Anyway, it asserts that the Israeli IDF study the tactics Nazis used during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in order to better be aware of and respond to the occupied population (ie: Palestinians). I believe it's as part of a wider curriculum.

Not really a big deal. The U.S studies Japanese, British, and Viet Cong tactics. France studies Nazi tactics. Pretty sure everyone studies previous historical battles.

The German Military from 1939-1943 was pretty boss. To study their tactics, especially when considering the type of warfare the Israeli's wage. Namely air attack with motorized ground support in the form of tanks. It wouldn't be surprising if the IDF's curriculum wasn't totally focused on Nazi war manuals. Success breeds copy cats.

True - if you ignore the political context.

I'm sure Chinese officer cadets study the Rape of Nanking - but I expect they have trouble taking the part of the aggressors dispassionately and emulating their tactics.

Israeli soldiers learning to think like Nazis is just wrong.

There are thousands of other examples of urban warfare that would be just as useful to study, and where the political context shouldn't get in the way.

[Wamitoria]

Amir Oren, "At the Gates of Yassergad", published January 2001 in Haaretz (allegedly: I'm having difficulty finding the article in question).

Anyway, it asserts that the Israeli IDF study the tactics Nazis used during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in order to better be aware of and respond to the occupied population (ie: Palestinians). I believe it's as part of a wider curriculum.

Not really a big deal. The U.S studies Japanese, British, and Viet Cong tactics. France studies Nazi tactics. Pretty sure everyone studies previous historical battles.

The German Military from 1939-1943 was pretty boss. To study their tactics, especially when considering the type of warfare the Israeli's wage. Namely air attack with motorized ground support in the form of tanks. It wouldn't be surprising if the IDF's curriculum wasn't totally focused on Nazi war manuals. Success breeds copy cats.

I would assume that the Israelis aren't using German anti-partisan tactics.

[North Calaveras]

Not really a big deal. The U.S studies Japanese, British, and Viet Cong tactics. France studies Nazi tactics. Pretty sure everyone studies previous historical battles.

The German Military from 1939-1943 was pretty boss. To study their tactics, especially when considering the type of warfare the Israeli's wage. Namely air attack with motorized ground support in the form of tanks. It wouldn't be surprising if the IDF's curriculum wasn't totally focused on Nazi war manuals. Success breeds copy cats.

True - if you ignore the political context.

I'm sure Chinese officer cadets study the Rape of Nanking - but I expect they have trouble taking the part of the aggressors dispassionately and emulating their tactics.

How about they just copy there enemies then that way they can just fire random rockets and get rid of there uniforms.
Israeli soldiers learning to think like Nazis is just wrong.

There are thousands of other examples of urban warfare that would be just as useful to study, and where the political context shouldn't get in the way.

You could have Israel copy there enemies since they seem to act like they have the higher moral ground.

[Set the Unbound]

True - if you ignore the political context.

I'm sure Chinese officer cadets study the Rape of Nanking - but I expect they have trouble taking the part of the aggressors dispassionately and emulating their tactics.

How about they just copy there enemies then that way they can just fire random rockets and get rid of there uniforms.
Israeli soldiers learning to think like Nazis is just wrong.

There are thousands of other examples of urban warfare that would be just as useful to study, and where the political context shouldn't get in the way.

You could have Israel copy there enemies since they seem to act like they have the higher moral ground.

Study enemies like this who have the higher moral ground? http://www.rachelcorrie.org

Perhaps Israeli soldiers need to spend less time studying Nazi tactics - history teaches us that they backfire, twisting the soldiers and discrediting the cause.

[Josh Sinister]

It shouldn't have the right, but they can do it anyway. America has Puerto Rico and Hawaii, anyway.

[Set the Unbound]

It shouldn't have the right, but they can do it anyway. America has Puerto Rico and Hawaii, anyway.

In defense of America, Hawaiians and Puerto Ricans can vote. And they can own land and businesses without having them bulldozed and given to someone else.

The acquisition process might have been rather similar, but the outcome was far more just.

[Buurdland]

Every week more Jews make Aliyah to Israel, and along with migrants from Israel proper, they are generously provided land by the Israeli government and its agencies in Israeli-occupied parts of neighboring countries.

This often involves bulldozing non-Israelis homes, businesses and farms - http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset ... 004en.html

Israel and neighbors

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Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank

http://www.israelsoccupation.info/files/images/areas_underSC.JPG

There are many justifications for confiscation of others land in Israeli political and legal discourse - abandonment, natural growth, security, and environmental concerns have all been used depending on the circumstances.

Unfortunately, the Fourth Geneva Convention (http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebART/380-600056) prohibits transferring any part of the occupiers' population into occupied territories.

As a result, the United Nations Security Council has passed resolutions ordering Israel to stop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel).

However, the UN has never and will never make an effort to actually stop Israel; as Israel has 600 nuclear weapons, and missiles that can reach Europe.

In any case:

SHOULD Israel be permitted to colonize its neighbors? And why?

Israel should be allowed to colonize its neighbors in special camps set up by these neighbors. Yeah I said it.

[Gauthier]

It shouldn't have the right, but they can do it anyway. America has Puerto Rico and Hawaii, anyway.

In defense of America, Hawaiians and Puerto Ricans can vote. And they can own land and businesses without having them bulldozed and given to someone else.

The acquisition process might have been rather similar, but the outcome was far more just.

And police didn't shoot Hawaiians and Puerto Ricans for looking at them wrong either.

[Set the Unbound]

In defense of America, Hawaiians and Puerto Ricans can vote. And they can own land and businesses without having them bulldozed and given to someone else.

The acquisition process might have been rather similar, but the outcome was far more just.

And police didn't shoot Hawaiians and Puerto Ricans for looking at them wrong either.

[EDIT - I'm assuming sarcasm in your post. US LE have been known to be racist.]


When was the last time a US gunboat blew up a beach full of Hawaiian or Puerto Rican families to get one suspected terrorist?
The USA has its problems, but it sure isn't Israel.

[Tmutarakhan]

When was the last time a US gunboat blew up a beach full of Hawaiian or Puerto Rican families to get one suspected terrorist?

The Hawaiians and Puerto Ricans did not launch one single solitary rocket today. Or yesterday, either. Or the day before that.

[Los Cabreddes]

Considering how they've behaved themselves, destroyed their lands, and ruined their peoples, my answer is going to have to be "YES!"

[De Jewish Mafia]

Every week more Jews make Aliyah to Israel, and along with migrants from Israel proper, they are generously provided land by the Israeli government and its agencies in Israeli-occupied parts of neighboring countries.

Evil Jews, begone!

This often involves bulldozing non-Israelis homes, businesses and farms - http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset ... 004en.html

This often involves illegal Arab squatter constructions that are removed so the rightful owners can build there. Not to mention, every other country in the world bulldozes homes, businesses, and farms regularly, including Hamas. Not to mention, Israel regularly bulldozes Jewish homes, businesses, and farms. Two such times in the past month even.

Israel and neighbors

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You know full well this distorts reality and that is why everyone thinks Israel is the problem. Here is the real picture.
http://www.bicom.org.uk/files/Israel%20and%20the%20surrounding%20region_large.PNG

Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank

http://www.israelsoccupation.info/files/images/areas_underSC.JPG

Such a great occupation, with all that white space...

There are many justifications for confiscation of others land in Israeli political and legal discourse - abandonment, natural growth, security, and environmental concerns have all been used depending on the circumstances.

Israel confiscates nothing. All current Jewish construction east of the armistice line is WITHIN existing towns.

Unfortunately, the Fourth Geneva Convention (http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebART/380-600056) prohibits transferring any part of the occupiers' population into occupied territories.

This is a false interpretation for several reasons:
1. Private citizens moving to a territory is perfectly legal. It is the forced settlement of people to create an occupation that is (altho I would argue that is ridiculous) illegal.
2. Jews had lived in those lands for centuries until they were expelled by the Arabs in 1948-9.
3. The 1967 war was a defensive war against imminent Arab aggression. Therefore, there can be no occupation as the territory is needed to ensure a stable security network.

As a result, the United Nations Security Council has passed resolutions ordering Israel to stop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel).

No, those are primarily nonbinding General Assembly resolutions which mean nothing and are based solely on the fact that there are 57 Muslim countries that have bribed dozens of allies. As well as the fact that Israel makes no effort to present its case to third nations in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Caribbean.

However, the UN has never and will never make an effort to actually stop Israel; as Israel has 600 nuclear weapons, and missiles that can reach Europe.

The UN has never made an effort to stop anything, in particular actual genocides and ethnic cleansing that greatly dwarf this minr conflict that has claimed only 60,000 something lives (42,000 Arab, 18,000 Jewish). There is not a single credible source on Earth that claims Israel has over 400 nuclear warheads and most range from 75 to 200. Iran and Russia have missiles that can reach Europe as well. What is your point?

SHOULD Israel be permitted to colonize its neighbors? And why?

Israel is not anyones slave or child. It cannot be permitted or not permitted to do anything. Israel has no interest in the territories of the surrounding countries and would gladly settle with the Arabs on the western side of the Jordan River if said Arabs had any interest in settling.

[Augarundus]

I disapprove of statism in any form; thus, I disapprove of Israel "colonizing" its neighbors.

I have no problem, however, with Israelis purchasing private property wheresoever they please.

[Benjington]

NO NO NO they DO NOT have the right! What gives them the right? If they have the right to colonize the Palestinian Territories--which more than have the right to form their own country--then Syria and Jordan have every right to colonize Israel. I don't even understand why Israel wants to occupy these places. Gaza militants only fire rockets into Israel BECAUSE THEY WANT THE OCCUPATION TO END. Israel oppresses the Palestinians horribly.

[De Jewish Mafia]

When was the last time a US gunboat blew up a beach full of Hawaiian or Puerto Rican families to get one suspected terrorist?

When was the last time you used your research abilities?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4IZNC_P7x4

The so-called massacre was no such thing, with the alleged dead walking around setting up a nice scene of chaos, no crater, no blood, etc. It was, if anything, a mine that Hamas put in the sand to halt an Israeli amphibious invasion.

[Syvorji]

Since many European powers colonized parts of America and Africa, why not?

[Vitius]

I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but Israel doesn't have six-hundred nuclear weapons...Other states believe they do, but Israel has not yet confirmed so. Also, even if they did, you really number it at 600?

I am a Jew, and I support Zionism:

-The OP's argument seems to be settled on the 'we were here first' movement. The Israelites settled the land in and around Israel thousand of years ago. There may have been native settlers in that land during that time, but Israel was clearly there well before Palestine's time. It's their historic right.

-To suppress Israel would be idiotic. The nation is a technological and agricultural marvel and continues to bring new additions to the world.

-If the Israelis have no home, where do they go? This is a great cause for humanitarian concern; almost no other country would take them.

-Israel helps the United States and other nations around the world compete with terrorism. It is a 'road block' of sorts; it definately helps in anti-terrorist efforts.

I'll probably get slammed for this, and truth is, I am a tad bias. However, I believe that the OP's argument is completely foolish.

[Set the Unbound]

When was the last time a US gunboat blew up a beach full of Hawaiian or Puerto Rican families to get one suspected terrorist?

When was the last time you used your research abilities?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4IZNC_P7x4

The so-called massacre was no such thing, with the alleged dead walking around setting up a nice scene of chaos, no crater, no blood, etc.

Bull.

Israel agreed to treat some of the wounded children. Report here - http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3261374,00.html

I suppose Tel Aviv's Sourasky Medical Center is part of this grand Hamas conspiracy?

Shelling innocent children on a beach is murder. Murder for being the wrong religion and for living in a land someone else wants.

[Vitius]

Also, poll is EXTREMELY bias. Why isn't there a "Yes, Israel should be allowed" option, or something similar?

[North Calaveras]

Also, poll is EXTREMELY bias. Why isn't there a "Yes, Israel should be allowed" option, or something similar?

I pointed that out early, but I know right? clearly this guy is bias against israel, that shouldn't be how polls are done.