Obama isn't doing bad

[Isle de Beaulieu]

American beer doesn't really exist anymore. I mean, since Anheuser-Busch is in the process of being bought out by InBev of Belgium, and Coors merged with Molson a few years ago... we're pretty much left with Miller. And even that company isn't wholly American!

But that's okay. Europe's got more experience at beer brewing.

[Farnhamia]

American beer doesn't really exist anymore. I mean, since Anheuser-Busch is in the process of being bought out by InBev of Belgium, and Coors merged with Molson a few years ago... we're pretty much left with Miller. And even that company isn't wholly American!

But that's okay. Europe's got more experience at beer brewing.

My criteria for judging beer isn't where it comes from or who makes it, it's whether it tastes good.

Saying that "American beer doesn't really exist anymore" is a pretty sweeping generaliztion. Wiki and the external references linked in that article disagree with you. As do I. Here in Colorado we have lots of locally owned breweries.

[SaintB]

I'm still pissed he shut down the F-22 program...irrelevent but...still...

Because 300 of them isn't enough? For what? Hell most nations in the world still have a problem answering to the F-15, F-16, and F/A-18! What the fuck is the big deal?

[SaintB]

American beer doesn't really exist anymore. I mean, since Anheuser-Busch is in the process of being bought out by InBev of Belgium, and Coors merged with Molson a few years ago... we're pretty much left with Miller. And even that company isn't wholly American!

But that's okay. Europe's got more experience at beer brewing.

Sam Adams! Our hero!

But I don't like beer.

[Luporum]

American beer doesn't really exist anymore. I mean, since Anheuser-Busch is in the process of being bought out by InBev of Belgium, and Coors merged with Molson a few years ago... we're pretty much left with Miller. And even that company isn't wholly American!

But that's okay. Europe's got more experience at beer brewing.

Don't be bad mouthing Yuengling dawg. You'd be in a world of hurt.

[CIB EMPIRE]

Obama is doing a horrible job. He has passed countless unconstitutional executive orders, he is taking controls of the economy like a communist, he is bailing out company's. People ask why is it bad to bail out big companies? Its because the company is failing because its doing something wrong. You give it a billion dollars for making the same mistakes and the companies fail anyways. It hurts the little businesses as well. They wait for the big one to fail so they can pick up the slack but Obama bails them out so the little company's fail. Then the big ones fail like a month later. The USA economy is meet to let bad businesses fail. Obama sucks. We are in such debt that we are borrowing money from a communist country- china.

[Farnhamia]

Obama is doing a horrible job. He has passed countless unconstitutional executive orders, he is taking controls of the economy like a communist, he is bailing out company's. People ask why is it bad to bail out big companies? Its because the company is failing because its doing something wrong. You give it a billion dollars for making the same mistakes and the companies fail anyways. It hurts the little businesses as well. They wait for the big one to fail so they can pick up the slack but Obama bails them out so the little company's fail. Then the big ones fail like a month later. The USA economy is meet to let bad businesses fail. Obama sucks. We are in such debt that we are borrowing money from a communist country- china.

W started the bail-out program. We were borrowing from China before Obama was elected.

Name an unconstitutional executive order Obama has issued.

Stop parroting right-wing talking points, it makes you look foolish.

[P4tr10t]

Sure, Obama's doing well... Only spent 1 trillion dollars so far :/

[SaintB]

Obama is doing a horrible job. He has passed countless unconstitutional executive orders, he is taking controls of the economy like a communist, he is bailing out company's. People ask why is it bad to bail out big companies? Its because the company is failing because its doing something wrong. You give it a billion dollars for making the same mistakes and the companies fail anyways. It hurts the little businesses as well. They wait for the big one to fail so they can pick up the slack but Obama bails them out so the little company's fail. Then the big ones fail like a month later. The USA economy is meet to let bad businesses fail. Obama sucks. We are in such debt that we are borrowing money from a communist country- china.

W started the bail-out program. We were borrowing from China before Obama was elected.

Name an unconstitutional executive order Obama has issued.

Stop parroting right-wing talking points, it makes you look foolish.

Also the corperate stimulous plan was activated by King George and not the current executive leader.

[CIB EMPIRE]

Obama is doing a horrible job. He has passed countless unconstitutional executive orders, he is taking controls of the economy like a communist, he is bailing out company's. People ask why is it bad to bail out big companies? Its because the company is failing because its doing something wrong. You give it a billion dollars for making the same mistakes and the companies fail anyways. It hurts the little businesses as well. They wait for the big one to fail so they can pick up the slack but Obama bails them out so the little company's fail. Then the big ones fail like a month later. The USA economy is meet to let bad businesses fail. Obama sucks. We are in such debt that we are borrowing money from a communist country- china.

W started the bail-out program. We were borrowing from China before Obama was elected.

Name an unconstitutional executive order Obama has issued.

Stop parroting right-wing talking points, it makes you look foolish.

1. Are you going to deny that the bailouts have been failing? The businesses that get bailed fail.
2.Are you going to deny that Obama borrowing Billions is putting us into more debt?
3. Executive orders for the most part are unconstitutional. It completely wipes out checks and balances and gives a president more power that he should have.

one more thing,they arnt right wing points, they were all facts.

[SaintB]

Obama is doing a horrible job. He has passed countless unconstitutional executive orders, he is taking controls of the economy like a communist, he is bailing out company's. People ask why is it bad to bail out big companies? Its because the company is failing because its doing something wrong. You give it a billion dollars for making the same mistakes and the companies fail anyways. It hurts the little businesses as well. They wait for the big one to fail so they can pick up the slack but Obama bails them out so the little company's fail. Then the big ones fail like a month later. The USA economy is meet to let bad businesses fail. Obama sucks. We are in such debt that we are borrowing money from a communist country- china.

W started the bail-out program. We were borrowing from China before Obama was elected.

Name an unconstitutional executive order Obama has issued.

Stop parroting right-wing talking points, it makes you look foolish.

1. Are you going to deny that the bailouts have been failing? The businesses that get bailed fail.
2.Are you going to deny that Obama borrowing Billions is putting us into more debt?
3. Executive orders for the most part are unconstitutional. It completely wipes out checks and balances and gives a president more power that he should have.

one more thing,they arnt right wing points, they were all facts.

No they were partial facts, and one's redesigned to be biased against the current administration even though they are an integral part of the last one; making them talking points.

[CIB EMPIRE]

They arnt partial facts they are full facts. And they rant biased Obama supported bushes stimulus bill so he would have passed it anyway. Obama has also been passing his own little socialist executive orders and bail outs. why are you afraid to condemn obama for the wrong he has been doing. face it he has done notheing good.

[Redwulf]

Obama is doing a horrible job. He has passed countless unconstitutional executive orders, he is taking controls of the economy like a communist, he is bailing out company's. People ask why is it bad to bail out big companies? Its because the company is failing because its doing something wrong. You give it a billion dollars for making the same mistakes and the companies fail anyways. It hurts the little businesses as well. They wait for the big one to fail so they can pick up the slack but Obama bails them out so the little company's fail. Then the big ones fail like a month later. The USA economy is meet to let bad businesses fail. Obama sucks. We are in such debt that we are borrowing money from a communist country- china.

W started the bail-out program. We were borrowing from China before Obama was elected.

Name an unconstitutional executive order Obama has issued.

Stop parroting right-wing talking points, it makes you look foolish.

1. Are you going to deny that the bailouts have been failing? The businesses that get bailed fail.
2.Are you going to deny that Obama borrowing Billions is putting us into more debt?
3. Executive orders for the most part are unconstitutional. It completely wipes out checks and balances and gives a president more power that he should have.

one more thing,they arnt right wing points, they were all facts.

fact
6 entries found.

1. fact
2. fact–check
3. fact finder
4. fact of life
5. 1matter (noun)
6. matter–of–fact

Main Entry:
fact
Pronunciation:
\ˈfakt\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin factum, from neuter of factus, past participle of facere
Date:
15th century

1: a thing done: as aobsolete : feat b: crime <accessory after the fact> carchaic : action
2 archaic : performance, doing
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a: something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b: an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality

I suppose they technically count under number 5. It only says they have to be presented as having objective reality, not that they have to be objectively real.

[CIB EMPIRE]

whatever you just said good luck on it, you know they are facts and you dont like them so you ignore the truth.

[Redwulf]

Whatever you just said good luck on it, you know they are facts and you don't like them so you ignore the truth.

I know no such thing you have yet to prove that any of your statements are true.

[SaintB]

They arnt partial facts they are full facts. And they rant biased Obama supported bushes stimulus bill so he would have passed it anyway. Obama has also been passing his own little socialist executive orders and bail outs. why are you afraid to condemn obama for the wrong he has been doing. face it he has done notheing good.

Barack Obama did not PASS the bailout. George Bush Jr. did pass the bailout = FACT.
Barack Obama released the second half of Gee-Dub's bailout as was approved by Congress upon the origfinal draft = FACT
Barack Obama stepped in to make guidelines for how that money should be spent = FACT
Barack Obama's own stimulous plan was just as massive as President Bush's = FACT
Barack Obama's Stimulous plan targeted not only businesses but public works, utilities, and community betterment = FACT
George Bush only gave money to Corperations = FACT
George Bush borrowed money from China to fund illegal wars in the Middle East and give opulent contracts to his friend's companies = FACT

I could do this all day.

[Chrobalta]

I'm still pissed he shut down the F-22 program...irrelevent but...still...

Because 300 of them isn't enough? For what? Hell most nations in the world still have a problem answering to the F-15, F-16, and F/A-18! What the fuck is the big deal?

The F-35 is practically just as capable and a lot cheaper to (it still costs a fortune).

But it is one of the great ironies in my opinion, the right wing in this country saber rattles and calls for small government and less spending, but they seem to have no problems spending PREPOSTEROUS amounts of money on the military.


On Obama though, I don't think he has made any poor decisions so far aside from stopping the release of more documents about torture. THAT was his biggest mistake so far IMO


@SaintB, definitely agreed.

[CIB EMPIRE]

They arnt partial facts they are full facts. And they rant biased Obama supported bushes stimulus bill so he would have passed it anyway. Obama has also been passing his own little socialist executive orders and bail outs. why are you afraid to condemn obama for the wrong he has been doing. face it he has done notheing good.

Barack Obama did not PASS the bailout. George Bush Jr. did pass the bailout = FACT.
Barack Obama released the second half of Gee-Dub's bailout as was approved by Congress upon the origfinal draft = FACT
Barack Obama stepped in to make guidelines for how that money should be spent = FACT
Barack Obama's own stimulous plan was just as massive as President Bush's = FACT
Barack Obama's Stimulous plan targeted not only businesses but public works, utilities, and community betterment = FACT
George Bush only gave money to Corperations = FACT
George Bush borrowed money from China to fund illegal wars in the Middle East and give opulent contracts to his friend's companies = FACT

I could do this all day.

Obama approved with bush bailout -FACT
Obama own stimulus plan failed just as much as bushes- FACT
Obama job is not to pass communist executive orders and bailouts- FACT
The bailouts are against the USA market system- FACT
Obama borrowed money from china to fund illegal undeclared war in Afghanistan- FACT
Obama is just as bad as bush- FACT

I could do this all day

[Chrobalta]

They arnt partial facts they are full facts. And they rant biased Obama supported bushes stimulus bill so he would have passed it anyway. Obama has also been passing his own little socialist executive orders and bail outs. why are you afraid to condemn obama for the wrong he has been doing. face it he has done notheing good.

Barack Obama did not PASS the bailout. George Bush Jr. did pass the bailout = FACT.
Barack Obama released the second half of Gee-Dub's bailout as was approved by Congress upon the origfinal draft = FACT
Barack Obama stepped in to make guidelines for how that money should be spent = FACT
Barack Obama's own stimulous plan was just as massive as President Bush's = FACT
Barack Obama's Stimulous plan targeted not only businesses but public works, utilities, and community betterment = FACT
George Bush only gave money to Corperations = FACT
George Bush borrowed money from China to fund illegal wars in the Middle East and give opulent contracts to his friend's companies = FACT

I could do this all day.

Obama approved with bush bailout -FACT
Obama own stimulus plan failed just as much as bushes- FACT
Obama job is not to pass communist executive orders and bailouts- FACT
The bailouts are against the USA market system- FACT
Obama borrowed money from china to fund illegal undeclared war in Afghanistan- FACT
Obama is just as bad as bush- FACT

I could do this all day

Less than 15% of Obamas stimulus package has even been spent, its obviously going to take time, I don't understand how all these people expect stuff to just happen overnight.

Obama is far from communist, hell he is not even a socialist, on a political scale compass he is left of center, but not socialist. Trust me real socialists (like myself) get a real laugh every time somebody says "socialist" and "Obama".

What do you mean bailouts and pouring money into private companies is against the American market? This has NEVER been an unfettered capitalistic system, there has always been government involvement. From Alexander Hamiltons national bank, the subsidizing of farms, the military industrial complex.. ect..

[CIB EMPIRE]

i know and its not right. and obama is socialist.

[Almajoya]

i know and its not right. and obama is socialist.

I'm socialist. Wana battle?!?!?!?!

[CIB EMPIRE]

yah, whats the differance between obams views and yours??? name your views then ill name obamas.

[SaintB]

i know and its not right. and obama is socialist.

I'll conceede he's a socialist when you can concede your not just parroting what people like Glenn Beck and Shawn Hannitty say.

[CIB EMPIRE]

i dont listen to their shows because i dont agree with them either, i am true to my beliefs.

[Treznor]

Obama approved with bush bailout -FACT

True. That's what you get with a centrist. HOWEVER.

Obama own stimulus plan failed just as much as bushes- FACT

That has yet to be seen, since not all of the funds have been paid and yet we're already getting early indicators that recovery is in progress.

Obama job is not to pass communist executive orders and bailouts- FACT

That didn't stop the Conservatives' Favorite Son, George W. Bush. And I'd like to hear precisely which executive orders and bailouts Obama has been passing.

The bailouts are against the USA market system- FACT

Really? Bailouts are against the free market system, which Libertarians always take pains to assure me has never been part of the USA market system.

Obama borrowed money from china to fund illegal undeclared war in Afghanistan- FACT

The war that Bush started and never bothered to finish? The one that is now Obama's responsibility to bring to an end?

Obama is just as bad as bush- FACT

You have yet to establish this. He's been as bad about some things, most notably states secrets and protecting corrupt politicians from prosecution, but about everything else he's taken steps the nation sorely needed for recovery.