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Postby Kantria » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:08 am

Wanderjar wrote:"Oh lord yes! The government is doing a fantastic job at everything! I can put utter faith in all their operations!



...did I ever tell you that this is how you should think? It's not even the way the Founding Fathers of the United States wanted you to think.
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Postby Hawaii And Midway » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:10 am

If you ask me ever since basically James Madison the quality of our leaders has just been in decline with a few exceptions...maybe Wilson, Roosevelt, Roosevelt, and a few others.
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Postby Phenia » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:16 am

You know, if Roosevelt were president today, half the people would say, "Oh you just voted for him because he's handicapped! Ugh, identity politics, you Democrats are sure disgusting and bigoted!"

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Postby Wanderjar » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:43 am

Kantria wrote:
Wanderjar wrote:"Oh lord yes! The government is doing a fantastic job at everything! I can put utter faith in all their operations!



...did I ever tell you that this is how you should think? It's not even the way the Founding Fathers of the United States wanted you to think.


At first I was really confused by this comment, then I saw we'd had a small discussion a page back. That wasn't directed towards you, it was a general comment. See, a lot of my venom towards the administration and government in general is admittedly due to my grandmothers influence. See when I came home on leave she told me I didn't deserve to wear my uniform because I don't completely 100% view the government as the answer to all our problems. This is why whenever people make comments which I interperet to mean something similar I foam at the mouth. If you interpereted that as me attacking you somehow, I offer my sincerest apologies.
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Postby Kantria » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:16 am

Wanderjar wrote:At first I was really confused by this comment, then I saw we'd had a small discussion a page back. That wasn't directed towards you, it was a general comment. See, a lot of my venom towards the administration and government in general is admittedly due to my grandmothers influence. See when I came home on leave she told me I didn't deserve to wear my uniform because I don't completely 100% view the government as the answer to all our problems. This is why whenever people make comments which I interperet to mean something similar I foam at the mouth. If you interpereted that as me attacking you somehow, I offer my sincerest apologies.


Fair enough, no apology necessary.

Government ought to be questioned and it ought to be challenged when it is in the wrong. What you have to remember, though, is that our government is (at least intended to be) of the people. It's ours. Granted, the process doesn't always work, for numerous reasons. This is why we're guaranteed by the Constitution the right to speak our minds, to peaceably assemble and to attempt to influence public opinion. I don't trust a massive corporation interested only in profit to guarantee these rights and I certainly don't trust them to police their own actions. I don't trust any single, homogeneous entity to be able to effectively police itself. This is why supreme legislative power is not embodied in any one branch of government. This is why every citizen has some say in the course the country will take. Sometimes, it isn't enough; sometimes, the masses genuinely do not know what is best, and it's too much.

The bottom line is this: the simple fact that government is imperfect is no reason to abandon it altogether, and again, I believe that the idea that you even could is ludicrous to begin with. Someone, or some alliance of someones, will gain more power than everyone else, and they will be able to impose their will in whatever manner they choose. Hopefully, it will be benevolent, but God help you if it isn't—if you can't match their power, you have no choice but to either fall in line or to face whatever punishment they may wish to inflict upon you.

Believe me, I probably trust my government no more than you do, but I recognize government as an inevitability, and I am grateful, at least, for the fact that, if I choose to speak out against my country's leaders, then, even if I'm not really heard, then at least the Constitution guarantees my right to speak my mind without fear of being oppressed—or at least, without fear of being oppressed and having absolutely no legal recourse. Although corruption will be present, the damage any one person can do is mitigated by the limits imposed by law on the extent of their political power.
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Postby Veilyonia » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:21 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:The reason why I wrote it is about the amusing news that some American media is mad because lately Obama drunk a beer with that black professor and that white policeman.

The reason why the media is mad? Well, the beer is 'Belgian'.


American beer companies are just angry that they didn't get a free advertisement out of the deal. They'd like to be able to say "Drink Miller Lite, it works for President Obama." So, of course, they decide to bitch about it to get in some publicity anyways. Better something than nothing? :palm:
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Postby Georgetpwn » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:01 am

if anyone hasn't noticed, the Cash for Clunkers has run out of money, the backlog to the program is enormous, and now the House has voted to give the program $2 billion more.

that is a reason govt. interference in healthcare is FAIL.
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Postby Kormanthor » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:09 am

Obama isn't doing bad? :blink: Thats not what the polls have been saying.

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Postby Jakra » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:15 am

Georgetpwn wrote:if anyone hasn't noticed, the Cash for Clunkers has run out of money, the backlog to the program is enormous, and now the House has voted to give the program $2 billion more.

that is a reason govt. interference in healthcare is FAIL.


Your existance is Fail! (JK) That is a horrible argument, #1 because they aren't related programs and #2 because C for C is an epic win! It is reinvoigorating the auto industry and adding a little something for the environment. Congress didn't anticipate how sucessful the program would be or hw fast that sucess would be. That's the only reason it ran out of money.
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Postby Phenia » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:28 am

Government run health care sucks! Except for Medicare. Yeah. That one's OK. But everything else...! ;)

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Postby Redwulf » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:41 am

Pacifisia wrote:We've seen some great progress so far. Guantanamo bay,


Where's the progress there? It's STILL open. They're STILL being held with out trial. The Bush administration is STILL unpunished (and he's declared that since he doesn't want to "look backwards" they never WILL BE.)
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Postby Luporum » Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:26 pm

What the hell is wrong with Belgian Beer? Blue Moon is the bee's knees. Next thing you know you'll be telling me Canadian Whiskey sucks.

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Postby Kaesekartoffeln » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:14 pm

Pacifisia wrote:We've seen some great progress so far. Guantanamo bay, healthcare and enducation, Iraq, the economy, all these things have seen progress. I hope he keeps it up!

Sarcasm?


I know we've seen progress in Iraq at least, but that's from the surge that Bush started and Obama refused to acknowledge was working during his campaign.
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Postby Megaloria » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:24 pm

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Pacifisia wrote:When did you last hear of a politician getting angry in public?


The Czech Prime Minister's a bit of a nutcase, he ends up whacking people quite a lot. And then there was John Prescott laying into that protester dick a couple of years ago.


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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:24 pm

Kormanthor wrote:Obama isn't doing bad? :blink: Thats not what the polls have been saying.


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Postby Treznor » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:30 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Kormanthor wrote:Obama isn't doing bad? :blink: Thats not what the polls have been saying.


Polls are not facts.

Plus, Obama's polling record hasn't deviated very far from the norm. No presidents experience consistent highs throughout their terms, and Obama's dips have been no different from Bush II's first seven months.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:43 pm

Georgetpwn wrote:if anyone hasn't noticed, the Cash for Clunkers has run out of money, the backlog to the program is enormous, and now the House has voted to give the program $2 billion more.

that is a reason govt. interference in healthcare is FAIL.

huh? are they planning to turn clunkers into hospitals?
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:50 pm

Les Drapeaux Brulants wrote:Apparently it wasn't Obama's beer, but the overreacting and pretentious Dr Gates that wanted the Red Stripe, but who cares?

By the way, we renamed "French Fries" to "Freedom Fries" about the time the French opposed our liberation of Iraq.


Which was vraiment stupid because French Fries have nothing to do with France, but with the verb to french.

And every sane man just know that fries are a Belgian invention. :)

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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:53 pm

Kormanthor wrote:Obama isn't doing bad? :blink: Thats not what the polls have been saying.


There are lies, big lies and polls.

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Postby North Wiedna » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:00 pm

Obama may not be doing bad, but certainly not good. I'm still trying to find out what a clunker is.
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Postby Treznor » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:01 pm

North Wiedna wrote:Obama may not be doing bad, but certainly not good. I'm still trying to find out what a clunker is.

Does it get less than 20mpg? Then it probably qualifies.

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Postby Almajoya » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:16 pm

CBS News wrote:As Hotsheet noted yesterday, Red Stripe might be a controversial option, since it's from Jamaica. The White House generally does not stock foreign brews, in a tradition dating back to the Johnson administration.


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Postby Georgetpwn » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:23 pm

i'm telling a mod if the flaming doesn't stop!
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Postby Holy Paradise » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:25 pm

Hairless Kitten II wrote:Surprise surprise, me, Hairless Kitten created a posting about Obama. :)

The reason why I wrote it is about the amusing news that some American media is mad because lately Obama drunk a beer with that black professor and that white policeman.

The reason why the media is mad? Well, the beer is 'Belgian'.

If the media is complaining about such things, if this is Obama his worst sin then he's doing pretty well.

After all, what's next? He can't eat no Chinese food anymore? And what about Champagne? French Fries? Spaghetti?

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I have disliked Obama's policy choices thus far, but who cares if he drank Belgian beer. If anything, it makes him seem a little more like the average Joe, kinda like when Dubya was recorded saying he wanted Syria to "knock off this shit" or something.
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