Obama isn't doing bad

[Deinam]

Uggh, for those of you who don't know, the past tense of drink is drank, not drunk.

[Pevisopolis]

I suppose he's a traitor for being a member of the democratic party, too? Explain, please.

no, i dont like either dems or the repub. i vote for the person who shares my believes party does not matter[/quote]
I was more talking about your jumping onto overly used and worn out points rather than party orientation.[/quote]
well i have explained myself in earlyer posts but people ignore[/quote]
you haven't explained yourself. You've merely been shouting "OMG! COMMIEZ!" and about how Obama is an evil socialist, etc. etc.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

FAUX Noise is just jumping on their first opportunity to discredit him as the Elitist, Communist, Foreign Terrorist with an unspecified evil agenda he really is.

Faux is awful news and just as evil as they say Obama is, however I find myself, for the first time in a long time, agreeing with them... Maybe their finally watching Lou Dobbs or something..

Lou Dobbs is a racist and a birther.

[Luporum]

Guy hasn't been in office for one year an you say he's doing poorly. Man, what's that word called when you judge someone unfairly based on your own agendas? Ah it's on the tip of my tongue.

Logic? Anyone who spends the kind of money Obama is spending in that kind of way is a horrible statesman, politician, and leader who doesn't understand the full realities that are national and global politics.

While I would very much agree that Obama has been spending far too much money (I'm a Conservative Republican myself); it is here I feel that you simply don't like the man because he goes against your grass roots.

[Patriqvinia]

no freaking way. i dont like democrats or republicans. they are both the same. look at my earlyer posts i have already stated my opinion. i am a ron paul supporter btw

I thought your posts contained more logic than the usual fair around here

[CIB EMPIRE]

Guy hasn't been in office for one year an you say he's doing poorly. Man, what's that word called when you judge someone unfairly based on your own agendas? Ah it's on the tip of my tongue.

Logic? Anyone who spends the kind of money Obama is spending in that kind of way is a horrible statesman, politician, and leader who doesn't understand the full realities that are national and global politics.

While I would very much agree that Obama has been spending far too much money (I'm a Conservative Republican myself); it is here I feel that you simply don't like the man because he goes against your grass roots.

nothing wrong with not likeing a president that goes against what you stand for

[The Romulan Republic]

Lou Dobbs is a racist and a birther.

Actually, I've never seen anything to convince me that Lou Dobbs is a racist. He is a nationalist, but being anti-illegal immigration, or even anti-immigration in general, does not equate to being a racist, as much as these attitudes may overlap in many cases.

As for the Birther crap, I haven't heard him openly agree with their more extreme positions, though he certainly seems sympathetic and is fooling this idiocy-bordering on inciting treason. Frankly, though, I doubt he believes it. Rather, I think that he is a childish and petty man, who has been hostile to Obama ever since Obama referred critically to him during the campaign. I think he took it as a personal slight, and that this is simply a personal vendetta on his part, not a hatred of black people or anything like that.

Of course, if you can quote some clearly racist statements or actions by him, I'll concede the point.

Edit: the above should not be construed as a defense of Lou Dobbs's actions. As far as I'm concerned, the man is an asshole, and his dishonest or ignorant statements regarding the "Birther" "Controversy" increase the likelihood of assassination attempts against the President.

[CIB EMPIRE]

Well first of all he is more of a socialist.

Definition of a socialist-1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

That is from Webster dictionary

1.Obama is taking conrole of the economy buy bailing out companies, buying banks, and telling auto companies what to do. He is have government ownership over businesses by bailing them out and controlling the auto industry.

2.obama wants government ownership of healthcare. Nationalized healthcare. He wants to be able to controls if you get the treatment you need or not.

3, he is trying to get hospitals under one payroll

What he is doing matches the dictionary description of socialism perfectly.

btw i know that bush was the same

[Tranquilizer Cyborgs]

Yes He Is!

[Eternal Mysteries]

View some re-runs of Adolf Hitler's speeches and political posturing. Then re-run some Obama. It is creepy weird like very the same.

[No Names Left Damn It]

View some re-runs of Adolf Hitler's speeches and political posturing. Then re-run some Obama. It is creepy weird like very the same.

OMG FORCEFUL ORATORS MUST ALL BE THE SAME AS HITLER. Seriously, that was the worst Godwin I've ever seen.

[Phenia]

View some re-runs of Adolf Hitler's speeches and political posturing. Then re-run some Obama. It is creepy weird like very the same.

Yeah, about as convincing and creepy as this:



Anyway, what speeches of Adolf Hitler are you referring to? Do you have a favorite? Which ones would you like me to watch?

[Treznor]

Well first of all he is more of a socialist.

Definition of a socialist-1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Yes, you've nicely summarized my thesis paper. So, let's look at what you're saying Obama is doing in comparison.

1.Obama is taking conrole of the economy buy bailing out companies, buying banks, and telling auto companies what to do. He is have government ownership over businesses by bailing them out and controlling the auto industry.

So, would you call Bush a socialist? I heard that laughable description bandied about before he left office once it became fashionable to bash him but frankly he was only ever socialist when it came to keeping his friends in power. Either way, Obama took the handouts the Bush administration demanded and actually did something productive with them. He told those industries that while they were receiving government support, they had to submit to government oversight and either demonstrate accountability in how they used them or comply with certain practices.

Frankly, the Swiss had a bank failure at the same time as the Japanese in the 90s. The Swiss moved quickly to nationalize their banks, while the Japanese left them alone to let the market sort everything out. Within a few years the Swiss sold off their bank assets at a nice profit, while the Japanese never truly recovered.

Which model do you think we ought to follow?

2.obama wants government ownership of healthcare. Nationalized healthcare. He wants to be able to controls if you get the treatment you need or not.

Ironically, that isn't even an option in the current bills up for vote. Because that's what Obama called for: a national healthcare option. By "option" of course, he means something in addition to the private insurance options that are currently failing so many millions of Americans right now.

Worried that the private insurers won't be able to compete? Maybe they'll be forced to actually provide the care they promise and then try not to deliver? It might undermine their profit margins? Goodness, you mean they might be forced to focus on health care for the sake of people's lives instead of making money? Forgive me if I fail to feel sympathy for this concern.

3, he is trying to get hospitals under one payroll

I don't see this happening, let alone attempted, but we have excellent examples of how this works elsewhere. Overall it has reduced costs, improved quality and reduced the complexity of the process across the board. Somehow, this is a bad thing?

What he is doing matches the dictionary description of socialism perfectly.

btw i know that bush was the same

No, what he's doing is barely in the same neighborhood as socialism. Mostly he's trying not to piss off corporate interests because they still have a massive amount of influence in our government, as demonstrated by the very pathetic health care reform bills being presented for voting. Bush wasn't even remotely the same: he encouraged these industries to do whatever the hell they wanted and when they inevitably crashed he promised to bail them out of their own stupidity. Obama's just trying to direct the recovery so it can benefit more than just the people responsible for the crash in the first place.

If that's socialism, it's a brand new definition I've never heard before.

[Ashmoria]

Well first of all he is more of a socialist.

Definition of a socialist-1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

That is from Webster dictionary

1.Obama is taking conrole of the economy buy bailing out companies, buying banks, and telling auto companies what to do. He is have government ownership over businesses by bailing them out and controlling the auto industry.

2.obama wants government ownership of healthcare. Nationalized healthcare. He wants to be able to controls if you get the treatment you need or not.

3, he is trying to get hospitals under one payroll

What he is doing matches the dictionary description of socialism perfectly.

btw i know that bush was the same

wow that is truly flawed.

you pick the definition then use examples that do not match the definition and claim victory.

even with the examples being lies they dont add up to socialism.

[Jakra]

Well first of all he is more of a socialist.

Definition of a socialist-1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

That is from Webster dictionary

1.Obama is taking conrole of the economy buy bailing out companies, buying banks, and telling auto companies what to do. He is have government ownership over businesses by bailing them out and controlling the auto industry.

2.obama wants government ownership of healthcare. Nationalized healthcare. He wants to be able to controls if you get the treatment you need or not.

3, he is trying to get hospitals under one payroll

What he is doing matches the dictionary description of socialism perfectly.

btw i know that bush was the same

wow that is truly flawed.

you pick the definition then use examples that do not match the definition and claim victory.

even with the examples being lies they dont add up to socialism.

Truly Epic Failure

[Hamilay]

btw i know that bush was the same

Bush was a socialist? This is a new one...

[Bergnovinaia]

I concur, Obama is doing pretty swell. Plus only been like, what, 7 months since he became (as far as the public knows) the most powerful man on planet Earth and is having to fix a bad economy, deal with international incidents and repair US image and a few people are saying he's doing a bad job?

He was supposed to fix everything in the first hundred days. On the hundred-first, once everyone realized he hadn't, everything that was wrong with the country became his fault.

Know you nothing of American politics?

I think it is supposed to take more than 100 days to fix Bush's 8 year shit plie he called America.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Lou Dobbs is a racist and a birther.

Actually, I've never seen anything to convince me that Lou Dobbs is a racist. He is a nationalist, but being anti-illegal immigration, or even anti-immigration in general, does not equate to being a racist, as much as these attitudes may overlap in many cases.

As for the Birther crap, I haven't heard him openly agree with their more extreme positions, though he certainly seems sympathetic and is fooling this idiocy-bordering on inciting treason. Frankly, though, I doubt he believes it. Rather, I think that he is a childish and petty man, who has been hostile to Obama ever since Obama referred critically to him during the campaign. I think he took it as a personal slight, and that this is simply a personal vendetta on his part, not a hatred of black people or anything like that.

Of course, if you can quote some clearly racist statements or actions by him, I'll concede the point.

Edit: the above should not be construed as a defense of Lou Dobbs's actions. As far as I'm concerned, the man is an asshole, and his dishonest or ignorant statements regarding the "Birther" "Controversy" increase the likelihood of assassination attempts against the President.

I don't think he really believes anything that he says. He revived his dead career off of feeding the crazies and now he's making bank.

[Chrobalta]

I don't think what Obama is doing is "socialist". The U.S. Government has been doing the same sort of thing for decades, people are only having a fit about it now because its being done in a high profile.


And onto Lou Dobbs, I would not say racist, but Hispanophobic, more likely.

[Moreau Catholic High]

I concur, Obama is doing pretty swell. Plus only been like, what, 7 months since he became (as far as the public knows) the most powerful man on planet Earth and is having to fix a bad economy, deal with international incidents and repair US image and a few people are saying he's doing a bad job?

He was supposed to fix everything in the first hundred days. On the hundred-first, once everyone realized he hadn't, everything that was wrong with the country became his fault.

Know you nothing of American politics?

I think it is supposed to take more than 100 days to fix Bush's 8 year shit plie he called America.

Correct, but what Kantria stated is quite close to the actual state of American politics.

[BunnySaurus Bugsii]

Uggh, for those of you who don't know, the past tense of drink is drank, not drunk.

I'm past being tense, so I say it's drunk.

What? The bottle of course. It's drunk. Not I.

EDIT: Mortifying grammatrical mistake. Replaced 2 letters with I.

[Buffett and Colbert]

nothing wrong with not likeing a president that goes against what you stand for

And tell me, how a president of a country with some three hundred million people will accomodate each and every one?

[Holy Paradise]

nothing wrong with not likeing a president that goes against what you stand for

And tell me, how a president of a country with some three hundred million people will accomodate each and every one?

And another thing, why can't one simply disagree with someone without hating them? I dislike most of Obama's policies, I find his beliefs on economics and social issues to often be in conflict with mine.

That being said, I hold absolutely no personal hatred towards the man. He is a family man, and a good man. He hasn't committed any major or minor crimes that could be detrimental to his character as far as I know, he doesn't hold a personal vendetta against me, and he is a man that respects others and deserves respect himself.

That is one of my pet peeves: When people personally hate someone because of political disagreements. Dislike the policies, not the person.

[Isle de Beaulieu]

Also, to be a grammar nazi, the posting should read "Obama isn't doing poorly."

[Rikese]

That is one of my pet peeves: When people personally hate someone because of political disagreements. Dislike the policies, not the person.

If I were to travel back in time to c. 2006, would you be saying the same thing about Bush?