Apple is not technologically innovative

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

I am blown away that people even go to stores for new releases any more. Do people not know the Internet exists?

To be fair, this was when there were a few hundred websites and ~15 million people used the internet around the world. I'm sure it's less dangerous now, but I just avoided shopping on release dates on principle after all the crazy shit I heard about on the news the day after a few.

[Arkinesia]

What kind of games are you playing? There's Steam for Mac, for instance. Even League of Legends has a Mac beta now. Any gaming company that isn't finding a way to port its games to Mac anymore is just being a jackoff.

None, actually. I had a SNES downloaded to it, but I gave up with trying to do gaming with it. I use my SO's laptop for that.

Snes9x works perfectly fine on my 10.5.8 MacBook.

[Andaluciae]

Only if you're bad at it. I've got my product the same day as it hits stores, sometimes even the day before. I guess the only real advantage to going to the release party is if you really can't wait the 18 hours from midnight to when the mail comes.

Haha that's awesome. I almost never buy in person anymore. Not gadgets anyway.

I swindled my way to a 32 gig iPod Touch for $150 with a fake receipt. Trust me: There are few better gadgets for the gadget fiend to buy than a thermal paper printing system.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

None, actually. I had a SNES downloaded to it, but I gave up with trying to do gaming with it. I use my SO's laptop for that.

Snes9x works perfectly fine on my 10.5.8 MacBook.

It works fine on mine too. I have Super Mario 3 (I think, the one where Mario gets the raccoon tail) and some Megaman and LoZ. But my experience trying to do online gaming was so crappy, I just don't play anymore.

[Trotskylvania]

Gaming: The perpetual curse of the Mac.

If you want a Mac Myth, that's the big one. They even have Civ V for Mac, goddammit.

I've noted, though, that the last few Call of Duty games have not been ported by Aspyr. Seems like the middle part of the 2000s is dropped out in general as well, but since 2008 or so Mac has been getting back up there. Plus there's a shit-ton of good open source games with fair Mac ports.

It didn't use to be much of a myth. It's only started getting better since Apple discarded the one thing that made their pcs better (PowerPC architecture) and switched to Intel.

[New Palikir]

There is a scene in the movie Amadeus in which Mozart's rival Salieri composes a piece for their benefactor. After he plays the piece, Mozart plays it but differently, calling out as he does so, "No, I think this is what you meant…here too…that can't be right, this is what you meant", altering essentially the entire piece to be much better.

That's what Apple does. They have the "Amadeus Moment"- they take an old piece of technology, from tablets to spaces, from music software to laptops, and make it better. They might not have come up with it first, but they made it good.


Similarly, I was having a discussion with someone who thought Columbus gets too much credit for discovering America. He claims the Chinese and Vikings found it first. Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter who did it first, but who capitalized on it. Apple might not have made all that stuff first, but even if you don't like Apple, you've got to admit they have some pretty cool stuff, even if it is a little pricey.

[Andaluciae]

There is a scene in the movie Amadeus in which Mozart's rival Salieri composes a piece for their benefactor. After he plays the piece, Mozart plays it but differently, calling out as he does so, "No, I think this is what you meant…here too…that can't be right, this is what you meant", altering essentially the entire piece to be much better.

That's what Apple does. They have the "Amadeus Moment"- they take an old piece of technology, from tablets to spaces, from music software to laptops, and make it better. They might not have come up with it first, but they made it good.


Similarly, I was having a discussion with someone who thought Columbus gets too much credit for discovering America. He claims the Chinese and Vikings found it first. Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter who did it first, but who capitalized on it. Apple might not have made all that stuff first, but even if you don't like Apple, you've got to admit they have some pretty cool stuff, even if it is a little pricey.

Outside of my distaste over their pricing policies, I actually have no problem with Apple. As we might note, I own an iProduct and am relatively pleased with it.

The myth of Apple, though, is what bugs me. The worshipful fanboys who would fellate Jobs just to get a peak at the next iProduct, even though it's the exact same as its predecessor, and claim that they're hyper-innovative.

[Sdaeriji]

There is a scene in the movie Amadeus in which Mozart's rival Salieri composes a piece for their benefactor. After he plays the piece, Mozart plays it but differently, calling out as he does so, "No, I think this is what you meant…here too…that can't be right, this is what you meant", altering essentially the entire piece to be much better.

That's what Apple does. They have the "Amadeus Moment"- they take an old piece of technology, from tablets to spaces, from music software to laptops, and make it better. They might not have come up with it first, but they made it good.


Similarly, I was having a discussion with someone who thought Columbus gets too much credit for discovering America. He claims the Chinese and Vikings found it first. Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter who did it first, but who capitalized on it. Apple might not have made all that stuff first, but even if you don't like Apple, you've got to admit they have some pretty cool stuff, even if it is a little pricey.

Outside of my distaste over their pricing policies, I actually have no problem with Apple. As we might note, I own an iProduct and am relatively pleased with it.

The myth of Apple, though, is what bugs me. The worshipful fanboys who would fellate Jobs just to get a peak at the next iProduct, even though it's the exact same as its predecessor, and claim that they're hyper-innovative.

They're really not any different from any other fanboys, though. Why specifically create a thread about them, instead of fanboyism in general?

[Andaluciae]

Outside of my distaste over their pricing policies, I actually have no problem with Apple. As we might note, I own an iProduct and am relatively pleased with it.

The myth of Apple, though, is what bugs me. The worshipful fanboys who would fellate Jobs just to get a peak at the next iProduct, even though it's the exact same as its predecessor, and claim that they're hyper-innovative.

They're really not any different from any other fanboys, though. Why specifically create a thread about them, instead of fanboyism in general?

Look at my OP--in response to an IRL conversation, and I'm particularly cratchety today because of the return of fucking permacloud and cold weather to central Ohio.

[Arkinesia]

There is a scene in the movie Amadeus in which Mozart's rival Salieri composes a piece for their benefactor. After he plays the piece, Mozart plays it but differently, calling out as he does so, "No, I think this is what you meant…here too…that can't be right, this is what you meant", altering essentially the entire piece to be much better.

That's what Apple does. They have the "Amadeus Moment"- they take an old piece of technology, from tablets to spaces, from music software to laptops, and make it better. They might not have come up with it first, but they made it good.


Similarly, I was having a discussion with someone who thought Columbus gets too much credit for discovering America. He claims the Chinese and Vikings found it first. Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter who did it first, but who capitalized on it. Apple might not have made all that stuff first, but even if you don't like Apple, you've got to admit they have some pretty cool stuff, even if it is a little pricey.

Outside of my distaste over their pricing policies, I actually have no problem with Apple. As we might note, I own an iProduct and am relatively pleased with it.

The myth of Apple, though, is what bugs me. The worshipful fanboys who would fellate Jobs just to get a peak at the next iProduct, even though it's the exact same as its predecessor, and claim that they're hyper-innovative.

Oh, you mean like how Microsoft fans fellated Ballmer for the Kinect (which turned out to be a shoddy Chinese knockoff of the Wii)?

[Andaluciae]

Outside of my distaste over their pricing policies, I actually have no problem with Apple. As we might note, I own an iProduct and am relatively pleased with it.

The myth of Apple, though, is what bugs me. The worshipful fanboys who would fellate Jobs just to get a peak at the next iProduct, even though it's the exact same as its predecessor, and claim that they're hyper-innovative.

Oh, you mean like how Microsoft fans fellated Ballmer for the Kinect (which turned out to be a shoddy Chinese knockoff of the Wii)?

Once again, hate corporate fanboyism. I'm a rather omnivorous consumer, with a penchant for Open Source on the side.

Microsoft's conception of Kinect is pretty freaking boring--but the hacks that other people have pulled off have been pretty freaking cool. So, definitely wouldn't fellate Ballmer, but maybe the folks behind MOTIV.

[Cannot think of a name]

I know this may be pretty much common knowledge, but I just had an IRL conversation with somebody who claimed that Apple was "so innovative, nobody has ever done what they are doing." And, well, I'm rant-ish right now, so I'm going to shoot off on that.

Apple doesn't innovate technologically and it never has. Sure, they are innovative marketers and repackagers, and they have a good design arm. But, tech-wise, they have never crossed a technological threshhold, and following the Apple model will lead us down a road to cultural stagnation, laziness and mediocrity. The things that they tout? The mouse and GUI both came out of Xerox-PARC and Stanford, IBM Simon was the first smartphone in 1992 (iPhone? A decade and a half later in 2007), iPod was foreshadowed by Kane Kramer in 1979,iPad (the least revolutionary of all because its a mimic of pre-existing technology, alongside the fact that it was, and still is, just a really big, extra clunky iPod Touch) was merely a well marketed repackaging of decade-old tablet technology...grouchy-grumble-mumble

I know, right? I mean, we're all sitting here on our Xerox-PARC machines or on our IBM Simons (who the fuck thinks Apple invented the smart phone? Hyperbole much?) listening to our Kane Kramer iPods and there was all that portable touch screen computing we were doing with all that decade old technology before the iPad came out. I can totally see your point that since he didn't pull technology and applications of such out of thin air but instead built on the innovations of the past like...pretty much every technology company ever, he's a total fraud. You have sold me sir.

Seriously, you PC guys need to fucking unclench. It's getting sad. "Boo hoo, 10% of the market bought a different computer and actually like it...waaaaaaah! I don't like it so clearly they're poopyhead fanboys who I need to obsess about on the internet for some reason!" And I know, the response is always, "B-but the fanboys! They're so...fanboyish!" I know, right? Making unsolicited threads about some random conversation they had to get all bent out of shape about a company they don't buy from...total obsession, right? Oops.

It's a tool. I don't bitch about people buying Stanley hammers, because that would make me a fucking spazz. Just sayin'.

[Motuka]

They really aren't. That's the image they love to portray (part of the "cool hip" thing). Macs may have slightly (to the point where it is negligible) sturdier hardware, making them sturdier computers as a whole, but a PC will run all your "artsy" (read: photoshop) programs just as well as a Mac will. For about a quarter of the cost.

Photoshop is terrible on OSX. Eats memory like a pig, crashes, et cetera. I suspect that's Adobe's problem, though, not Apple's.

The only real benefit to having a Mac is for audio; and free software will probably change that within a decade or two, anyway.

[Arkinesia]

Oh, you mean like how Microsoft fans fellated Ballmer for the Kinect (which turned out to be a shoddy Chinese knockoff of the Wii)?

Once again, hate corporate fanboyism. I'm a rather omnivorous consumer, with a penchant for Open Source on the side.

Microsoft's conception of Kinect is pretty freaking boring--but the hacks that other people have pulled off have been pretty freaking cool. So, definitely wouldn't fellate Ballmer, but maybe the folks behind MOTIV.

Apparently Lionhead's Milo was pretty meh, too, in spite of the snazzy trailers and so on. One of my friends totally didn't see it demonstrated in uni class in the spring of 2010 and said he wasn't terribly impressed with it, seemed a bit elementary for an AI that's supposed to change how we view AI.

[Sdaeriji]

They're really not any different from any other fanboys, though. Why specifically create a thread about them, instead of fanboyism in general?

Look at my OP--in response to an IRL conversation, and I'm particularly cratchety today because of the return of fucking permacloud and cold weather to central Ohio.

Right, but looking through your post history I don't see you creating a thread every time someone says something fanboyish.

It seems that Apple inspires this sort of reaction to its fanboys that most other companies do not. Yeah, their fanboys are irritating in their brand loyalty, probably more so than most other companies. But their fanboyish provokes such a violently negative response from non-fanboys that I do not get.

[Sdaeriji]

I know this may be pretty much common knowledge, but I just had an IRL conversation with somebody who claimed that Apple was "so innovative, nobody has ever done what they are doing." And, well, I'm rant-ish right now, so I'm going to shoot off on that.

Apple doesn't innovate technologically and it never has. Sure, they are innovative marketers and repackagers, and they have a good design arm. But, tech-wise, they have never crossed a technological threshhold, and following the Apple model will lead us down a road to cultural stagnation, laziness and mediocrity. The things that they tout? The mouse and GUI both came out of Xerox-PARC and Stanford, IBM Simon was the first smartphone in 1992 (iPhone? A decade and a half later in 2007), iPod was foreshadowed by Kane Kramer in 1979,iPad (the least revolutionary of all because its a mimic of pre-existing technology, alongside the fact that it was, and still is, just a really big, extra clunky iPod Touch) was merely a well marketed repackaging of decade-old tablet technology...grouchy-grumble-mumble

I know, right? I mean, we're all sitting here on our Xerox-PARC machines or on our IBM Simons (who the fuck thinks Apple invented the smart phone? Hyperbole much?) listening to our Kane Kramer iPods and there was all that portable touch screen computing we were doing with all that decade old technology before the iPad came out. I can totally see your point that since he didn't pull technology and applications of such out of thin air but instead built on the innovations of the past like...pretty much every technology company ever, he's a total fraud. You have sold me sir.

Seriously, you PC guys need to fucking unclench. It's getting sad. "Boo hoo, 10% of the market bought a different computer and actually like it...waaaaaaah! I don't like it so clearly they're poopyhead fanboys who I need to obsess about on the internet for some reason!" And I know, the response is always, "B-but the fanboys! They're so...fanboyish!" I know, right? Making unsolicited threads about some random conversation they had to get all bent out of shape about a company they don't buy from...total obsession, right? Oops.

It's a tool. I don't bitch about people buying Stanley hammers, because that would make me a fucking spazz. Just sayin'.

This is the most hyperbolic reaction I think I've ever seen.

[Cannot think of a name]

I know, right? I mean, we're all sitting here on our Xerox-PARC machines or on our IBM Simons (who the fuck thinks Apple invented the smart phone? Hyperbole much?) listening to our Kane Kramer iPods and there was all that portable touch screen computing we were doing with all that decade old technology before the iPad came out. I can totally see your point that since he didn't pull technology and applications of such out of thin air but instead built on the innovations of the past like...pretty much every technology company ever, he's a total fraud. You have sold me sir.

Seriously, you PC guys need to fucking unclench. It's getting sad. "Boo hoo, 10% of the market bought a different computer and actually like it...waaaaaaah! I don't like it so clearly they're poopyhead fanboys who I need to obsess about on the internet for some reason!" And I know, the response is always, "B-but the fanboys! They're so...fanboyish!" I know, right? Making unsolicited threads about some random conversation they had to get all bent out of shape about a company they don't buy from...total obsession, right? Oops.

It's a tool. I don't bitch about people buying Stanley hammers, because that would make me a fucking spazz. Just sayin'.

This is the most hyperbolic reaction I think I've ever seen.

It's contagious.

[Andaluciae]

I know this may be pretty much common knowledge, but I just had an IRL conversation with somebody who claimed that Apple was "so innovative, nobody has ever done what they are doing." And, well, I'm rant-ish right now, so I'm going to shoot off on that.

Apple doesn't innovate technologically and it never has. Sure, they are innovative marketers and repackagers, and they have a good design arm. But, tech-wise, they have never crossed a technological threshhold, and following the Apple model will lead us down a road to cultural stagnation, laziness and mediocrity. The things that they tout? The mouse and GUI both came out of Xerox-PARC and Stanford, IBM Simon was the first smartphone in 1992 (iPhone? A decade and a half later in 2007), iPod was foreshadowed by Kane Kramer in 1979,iPad (the least revolutionary of all because its a mimic of pre-existing technology, alongside the fact that it was, and still is, just a really big, extra clunky iPod Touch) was merely a well marketed repackaging of decade-old tablet technology...grouchy-grumble-mumble

I know, right? I mean, we're all sitting here on our Xerox-PARC machines or on our IBM Simons (who the fuck thinks Apple invented the smart phone? Hyperbole much?) listening to our Kane Kramer iPods and there was all that portable touch screen computing we were doing with all that decade old technology before the iPad came out. I can totally see your point that since he didn't pull technology and applications of such out of thin air but instead built on the innovations of the past like...pretty much every technology company ever, he's a total fraud. You have sold me sir.

Seriously, you PC guys need to fucking unclench. It's getting sad. "Boo hoo, 10% of the market bought a different computer and actually like it...waaaaaaah! I don't like it so clearly they're poopyhead fanboys who I need to obsess about on the internet for some reason!" And I know, the response is always, "B-but the fanboys! They're so...fanboyish!" I know, right? Making unsolicited threads about some random conversation they had to get all bent out of shape about a company they don't buy from...total obsession, right? Oops.

It's a tool. I don't bitch about people buying Stanley hammers, because that would make me a fucking spazz. Just sayin'.

Given that I work with fucking project management and IT, it's definitely within the realm of acceptable to make a fucking bitch thread. Having to meet with a client who wants a data management solution for her goddam iMac is definitely the sort of thing that's going to bring out a bad fucking response, especially when she's incredulous that we don't have what she wants on hand, and that we're unwilling to sink the cash into what some mom-and-pop fucking non-profit wants--and that nobody else has asked for, or will ask for for quite some time. So excuse me for generating a thread that, apparently, created some forty-odd posts. If you don't like it, you can fuck off.

Already mentioned that I have no problem with Apple as a company. I have no problem with their products. I own an iPod Touch, and have for nearly two years.

[L3 Communications]

Sky is blue, grass is green, etc. etc.

There is a scene in the movie Amadeus in which Mozart's rival Salieri composes a piece for their benefactor. After he plays the piece, Mozart plays it but differently, calling out as he does so, "No, I think this is what you meant…here too…that can't be right, this is what you meant", altering essentially the entire piece to be much better.

That's what Apple does. They have the "Amadeus Moment"- they take an old piece of technology, from tablets to spaces, from music software to laptops, and make it better. They might not have come up with it first, but they made it good.


Similarly, I was having a discussion with someone who thought Columbus gets too much credit for discovering America. He claims the Chinese and Vikings found it first. Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter who did it first, but who capitalized on it. Apple might not have made all that stuff first, but even if you don't like Apple, you've got to admit they have some pretty cool stuff, even if it is a little pricey.

iTunes + Good = Lol.

[Andaluciae]

Look at my OP--in response to an IRL conversation, and I'm particularly cratchety today because of the return of fucking permacloud and cold weather to central Ohio.

Right, but looking through your post history I don't see you creating a thread every time someone says something fanboyish.

It seems that Apple inspires this sort of reaction to its fanboys that most other companies do not. Yeah, their fanboys are irritating in their brand loyalty, probably more so than most other companies. But their fanboyish provokes such a violently negative response from non-fanboys that I do not get.

In my probably inappropriate profanity laced response to CTOAN, I gave a rough outline of my misadventure with a potential client that fueled this. Maybe I was using the forum for personal venting, but...yeah.

[Cannot think of a name]

I know, right? I mean, we're all sitting here on our Xerox-PARC machines or on our IBM Simons (who the fuck thinks Apple invented the smart phone? Hyperbole much?) listening to our Kane Kramer iPods and there was all that portable touch screen computing we were doing with all that decade old technology before the iPad came out. I can totally see your point that since he didn't pull technology and applications of such out of thin air but instead built on the innovations of the past like...pretty much every technology company ever, he's a total fraud. You have sold me sir.

Seriously, you PC guys need to fucking unclench. It's getting sad. "Boo hoo, 10% of the market bought a different computer and actually like it...waaaaaaah! I don't like it so clearly they're poopyhead fanboys who I need to obsess about on the internet for some reason!" And I know, the response is always, "B-but the fanboys! They're so...fanboyish!" I know, right? Making unsolicited threads about some random conversation they had to get all bent out of shape about a company they don't buy from...total obsession, right? Oops.

It's a tool. I don't bitch about people buying Stanley hammers, because that would make me a fucking spazz. Just sayin'.

Given that I work with fucking project management and IT, it's definitely within the realm of acceptable to make a fucking bitch thread. Having to meet with a client who wants a data management solution for her goddam iMac is definitely the sort of thing that's going to bring out a bad fucking response, especially when she's incredulous that we don't have what she wants on hand, and that we're unwilling to sink the cash into what some mom-and-pop fucking non-profit wants--and that nobody else has asked for, or will ask for for quite some time. So excuse me for generating a thread that, apparently, created some forty-odd posts. If you don't like it, you can fuck off.

Already mentioned that I have no problem with Apple as a company. I have no problem with their products. I own an iPod Touch, and have for nearly two years.

My bad, I wasn't able from your OP to determine that Apple's reputation for innovation is perhaps not as black and white as presented is directly related to a specific request from a client. Clearly, in light of a non-technology oriented client's misunderstanding of how your service works (I mean, if they knew how all this shit worked, they wouldn't need you, but whatever) this completely validates what would otherwise seem like an incredibly unrelated rant about the nature of innovation. And of course your black friend, I mean iPod Touch is the clincher. I stand corrected.

[The Pike Dynasty]

Apple is so not innovative, none of you are..only I am. Now get me a Whataburger!

[L3 Communications]

Given that I work with fucking project management and IT, it's definitely within the realm of acceptable to make a fucking bitch thread. Having to meet with a client who wants a data management solution for her goddam iMac is definitely the sort of thing that's going to bring out a bad fucking response, especially when she's incredulous that we don't have what she wants on hand, and that we're unwilling to sink the cash into what some mom-and-pop fucking non-profit wants--and that nobody else has asked for, or will ask for for quite some time. So excuse me for generating a thread that, apparently, created some forty-odd posts. If you don't like it, you can fuck off.

Already mentioned that I have no problem with Apple as a company. I have no problem with their products. I own an iPod Touch, and have for nearly two years.

My bad, I wasn't able from your OP to determine that Apple's reputation for innovation is perhaps not as black and white as presented is directly related to a specific request from a client. Clearly, in light of a non-technology oriented client's misunderstanding of how your service works (I mean, if they knew how all this shit worked, they wouldn't need you, but whatever) this completely validates what would otherwise seem like an incredibly unrelated rant about the nature of innovation. And of course your black friend, I mean iPod Touch is the clincher. I stand corrected.

Apple isn't rly that innovative, though, tbh.

[Andaluciae]

Given that I work with fucking project management and IT, it's definitely within the realm of acceptable to make a fucking bitch thread. Having to meet with a client who wants a data management solution for her goddam iMac is definitely the sort of thing that's going to bring out a bad fucking response, especially when she's incredulous that we don't have what she wants on hand, and that we're unwilling to sink the cash into what some mom-and-pop fucking non-profit wants--and that nobody else has asked for, or will ask for for quite some time. So excuse me for generating a thread that, apparently, created some forty-odd posts. If you don't like it, you can fuck off.

Already mentioned that I have no problem with Apple as a company. I have no problem with their products. I own an iPod Touch, and have for nearly two years.

My bad, I wasn't able from your OP to determine that Apple's reputation for innovation is perhaps not as black and white as presented is directly related to a specific request from a client. Clearly, in light of a non-technology oriented client's misunderstanding of how your service works (I mean, if they knew how all this shit worked, they wouldn't need you, but whatever) this completely validates what would otherwise seem like an incredibly unrelated rant about the nature of innovation. And of course your black friend, I mean iPod Touch is the clincher. I stand corrected.

A non-technology oriented client who had filled her office with a wide variety of computing products--including Mac computers, an iPad, an iPhone and the rest of the toys. Who introduced herself to us as being "technologically literate" and then started to berate us for not being in sync with such a technologically innovative company as Apple. It's pretty damn irritating to go into a situation, prepared for what you expect to be facing, to instead be presented with something else entirely, and then have to deal with someone dressing you down because you aren't ready to do what they want. She had half-read books about innovation on her shelf, like she took a course at the local community college on it--including the fucking one that claims to tell us how to "innovate like Apple!".

And...black friend? That's some serious hyperbole and a half, buddy. So, the fact that I own an iPod is evidence that I actually hate Apple? That's fucking rich.

[Cannot think of a name]

My bad, I wasn't able from your OP to determine that Apple's reputation for innovation is perhaps not as black and white as presented is directly related to a specific request from a client. Clearly, in light of a non-technology oriented client's misunderstanding of how your service works (I mean, if they knew how all this shit worked, they wouldn't need you, but whatever) this completely validates what would otherwise seem like an incredibly unrelated rant about the nature of innovation. And of course your black friend, I mean iPod Touch is the clincher. I stand corrected.

A non-technology oriented client who had filled her office with a wide variety of computing products--including Mac computers, an iPad, an iPhone and the rest of the toys. Who introduced herself to us as being "technologically literate" and then started to berate us for not being in sync with such a technologically innovative company as Apple. It's pretty damn irritating to go into a situation, prepared for what you expect to be facing, to instead be presented with something else entirely, and then have to deal with someone dressing you down because you aren't ready to do what they want. She had half-read books about innovation on her shelf, like she took a course at the local community college on it--including the fucking one that claims to tell us how to "innovate like Apple!".

Okay, I have to stop here because I've reached the limit of my give a shit and if I keep going it's just to wind you up, which is tactless. You had a bad day at work and took it out on Apple for some reason. I'm sure Apple can handle it and certainly by no means should be immune to criticism. The fact that I never see an "Ain't Apple Grand" thread but one of these "Apple is t eh suck" threads every couple months makes me chuckle at the premise presented within them as it seems entirely in your heads. But whatever.

And...black friend? That's some serious hyperbole and a half, buddy. So, the fact that I own an iPod is evidence that I actually hate Apple? That's fucking rich.

Oh unclench. It was a joke. You have to admit, "I don't hate Apple, I have an iPod Touch!" sounds a lot like someone who just spent half an hour railing on black people saying he's not racist because he has a black friend.