Apple is not technologically innovative

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

Jobs could take a shit, slap and Apple logo on it, call it the iTurd, and Apple fanboys would line up for 2 days to to pay $600 for it.

They'd also trample over whoever was at the front of the line, shoot someone ahead of them at their local wal mart to get in first and then nonstop bitch about fake bugs they read about on blogs.

[Hegstoria]

lol, this reminds me of when I went to the Apple Store (the famous glass box one outside of Fao Shwarts) in New York and basically all I kept saying was "WOW! Look at all the aesthetically pleasing-ness!" I can't stand the cult of personality surrounding Apple and Steve Jobs.

[Andaluciae]

Jobs could take a shit, slap and Apple logo on it, call it the iTurd, and Apple fanboys would line up for 2 days to to pay $600 for it.

The Oatmeal, anybody?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not technologically innovative. But when it comes to design and marketing, probably the most innovative company in the world.

Pretty much this. My only contention with Apple is that the new versions of their products tend to be plagued with bugs that annoy the heck out of me.

[Sibirsky]

Jobs could take a shit, slap and Apple logo on it, call it the iTurd, and Apple fanboys would line up for 2 days to to pay $600 for it.

They'd also trample over whoever was at the front of the line, shoot someone ahead of them at their local wal mart to get in first and then nonstop bitch about fake bugs they read about on blogs.

Yeah, that too.

[Andaluciae]

Not technologically innovative. But when it comes to design and marketing, probably the most innovative company in the world.

Pretty much this. My only contention with Apple is that the new versions of their products tend to be plagued with bugs that annoy the heck out of me.

Biggest problem I have with my iPod Touch is that it's virtually impossible to get it to work in a forum environment. It often doesn't recognize the typing space, sometimes it just freezes up, sometimes it starts placing characters on top of other characters...

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

They'd also trample over whoever was at the front of the line, shoot someone ahead of them at their local wal mart to get in first and then nonstop bitch about fake bugs they read about on blogs.

Yeah, that too.

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

[Sdaeriji]

I know this may be pretty much common knowledge, but I just had an IRL conversation with somebody who claimed that Apple was "so innovative, nobody has ever done what they are doing." And, well, I'm rant-ish right now, so I'm going to shoot off on that.

Apple doesn't innovate technologically and it never has. Sure, they are innovative marketers and repackagers, and they have a good design arm. But, tech-wise, they have never crossed a technological threshhold, and following the Apple model will lead us down a road to cultural stagnation, laziness and mediocrity. The things that they tout? The mouse and GUI both came out of Xerox-PARC and Stanford, IBM Simon was the first smartphone in 1992 (iPhone? A decade and a half later in 2007), iPod was foreshadowed by Kane Kramer in 1979,iPad (the least revolutionary of all because its a mimic of pre-existing technology, alongside the fact that it was, and still is, just a really big, extra clunky iPod Touch) was merely a well marketed repackaging of decade-old tablet technology...grouchy-grumble-mumble

Technological innovation is not the only, nor even most important, characteristic of a technology company, as Xerox and IBM can attest to. There is great value added in making existing technology both affordable and accessible by the non-technologically savvy, and Apple is extremely good at that.

[Andaluciae]

Yeah, that too.

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

Only time I was an early adopter was with Windows 7, and that was only because Microsoft gave the residents of my household free copies of it to host a "launch party." Basically, it was an excuse to spend other people's money on booze, and get free copies of Windows 7. Not really a Microsoft fanboy--more Linux when it comes to OS land--but, yeah. I'm conservative.

[Sibirsky]

Yeah, that too.

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

I find it absolutely ridiculous. Waiting 6 months means you might save money. Any potential bugs are worked out. You can read more reviews of the product. And you don't have to camp out for days to get it. It's the only way to buy new stuff.

[Sdaeriji]

Pretty much this. My only contention with Apple is that the new versions of their products tend to be plagued with bugs that annoy the heck out of me.

Biggest problem I have with my iPod Touch is that it's virtually impossible to get it to work in a forum environment. It often doesn't recognize the typing space, sometimes it just freezes up, sometimes it starts placing characters on top of other characters...

There are apps for that.

[Arkinesia]

Pretty much this. My only contention with Apple is that the new versions of their products tend to be plagued with bugs that annoy the heck out of me.

Biggest problem I have with my iPod Touch is that it's virtually impossible to get it to work in a forum environment. It often doesn't recognize the typing space, sometimes it just freezes up, sometimes it starts placing characters on top of other characters...

Yeeeeah…I've posted on forums from my iTouch many times and never had anything resembling that.

[Andaluciae]

I know this may be pretty much common knowledge, but I just had an IRL conversation with somebody who claimed that Apple was "so innovative, nobody has ever done what they are doing." And, well, I'm rant-ish right now, so I'm going to shoot off on that.

Apple doesn't innovate technologically and it never has. Sure, they are innovative marketers and repackagers, and they have a good design arm. But, tech-wise, they have never crossed a technological threshhold, and following the Apple model will lead us down a road to cultural stagnation, laziness and mediocrity. The things that they tout? The mouse and GUI both came out of Xerox-PARC and Stanford, IBM Simon was the first smartphone in 1992 (iPhone? A decade and a half later in 2007), iPod was foreshadowed by Kane Kramer in 1979,iPad (the least revolutionary of all because its a mimic of pre-existing technology, alongside the fact that it was, and still is, just a really big, extra clunky iPod Touch) was merely a well marketed repackaging of decade-old tablet technology...grouchy-grumble-mumble

Technological innovation is not the only, nor even most important, characteristic of a technology company, as Xerox and IBM can attest to. There is great value added in making existing technology both affordable and accessible by the non-technologically savvy, and Apple is extremely good at that.

Once again, I'm not hating on Apple as a company, I'm hating on the claim that they are technologically innovative.

[Sdaeriji]

Yeah, that too.

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

I am blown away that people even go to stores for new releases any more. Do people not know the Internet exists?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Pretty much this. My only contention with Apple is that the new versions of their products tend to be plagued with bugs that annoy the heck out of me.

Biggest problem I have with my iPod Touch is that it's virtually impossible to get it to work in a forum environment. It often doesn't recognize the typing space, sometimes it just freezes up, sometimes it starts placing characters on top of other characters...

Dang, that really sucks. I had similar problems (freezing and the like) with my first iPod nano (first generation). In fact, a few weeks after I got it, I had to send it t the Apple boutique to have it replaced because it just froze and quit working.

I also own a MacBook that, although amazing for image editing and the like, overheats better than the microwave (*sigh*) and I can't use it for online gaming.

[Andaluciae]

Biggest problem I have with my iPod Touch is that it's virtually impossible to get it to work in a forum environment. It often doesn't recognize the typing space, sometimes it just freezes up, sometimes it starts placing characters on top of other characters...

There are apps for that.

Android's browser just plain doesn't do that.

[Sibirsky]

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

I am blown away that people even go to stores for new releases any more. Do people not know the Internet exists?

The internet makes you wait.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

I am blown away that people even go to stores for new releases any more. Do people not know the Internet exists?

sometimes it's faster to go out to shops than wait a couple of hours to download, especially during peak times.

[Andaluciae]

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

I am blown away that people even go to stores for new releases any more. Do people not know the Internet exists?

It's for the event atmosphere, more than the actual acquisition of the product.

[Sdaeriji]

I am blown away that people even go to stores for new releases any more. Do people not know the Internet exists?

The internet makes you wait.

Only if you're bad at it. I've got my product the same day as it hits stores, sometimes even the day before. I guess the only real advantage to going to the release party is if you really can't wait the 18 hours from midnight to when the mail comes.

[Arkinesia]

I recall back in the 90s someone shot a guy in line at Toys R Us as he was leaving to take a pokemon game or something like that, and dozens of people across the country getting trampled to death when the stores opened. I always wait 6 months to buy anything.

I am blown away that people even go to stores for new releases any more. Do people not know the Internet exists?

Seriously.

I also own a MacBook that, although amazing for image editing and the like, overheats better than the microwave (*sigh*) and I can't use it for online gaming.

What kind of games are you playing? There's Steam for Mac, for instance. Even League of Legends has a Mac beta now. Any gaming company that isn't finding a way to port its games to Mac anymore is just being a jackoff.

[Andaluciae]

Biggest problem I have with my iPod Touch is that it's virtually impossible to get it to work in a forum environment. It often doesn't recognize the typing space, sometimes it just freezes up, sometimes it starts placing characters on top of other characters...

Dang, that really sucks. I had similar problems (freezing and the like) with my first iPod nano (first generation). In fact, a few weeks after I got it, I had to send it t the Apple boutique to have it replaced because it just froze and quit working.

Until I got my Droid, I used the iPod Touch as a sort of stand-in for my lack of handheld, mobile computing. It was serviceable enough--but the Droid is so much incredibly better. There were a long series of posts on NSG that must have been less than fully intelligible because of how garbled my iPod Touch made them.

I also own a MacBook that, although amazing for image editing and the like, overheats better than the microwave (*sigh*) and I can't use it for online gaming.

Gaming: The perpetual curse of the Mac.

[Sibirsky]

The internet makes you wait.

Only if you're bad at it. I've got my product the same day as it hits stores, sometimes even the day before. I guess the only real advantage to going to the release party is if you really can't wait the 18 hours from midnight to when the mail comes.

Haha that's awesome. I almost never buy in person anymore. Not gadgets anyway.

[Arkinesia]

I also own a MacBook that, although amazing for image editing and the like, overheats better than the microwave (*sigh*) and I can't use it for online gaming.

Gaming: The perpetual curse of the Mac.

If you want a Mac Myth, that's the big one. They even have Civ V for Mac, goddammit.

I've noted, though, that the last few Call of Duty games have not been ported by Aspyr. Seems like the middle part of the 2000s is dropped out in general as well, but since 2008 or so Mac has been getting back up there. Plus there's a shit-ton of good open source games with fair Mac ports.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What kind of games are you playing? There's Steam for Mac, for instance. Even League of Legends has a Mac beta now. Any gaming company that isn't finding a way to port its games to Mac anymore is just being a jackoff.

None, actually. I had a SNES downloaded to it, but I gave up with trying to do gaming with it. I use my SO's laptop for that.