Apple is not technologically innovative

[Juristonia]

You're the only person I know to say that, others I've known who have one complain that it breaks even more than an iPod.

WTF? I've never had any problems with the Zune.

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Never had any problem with mine.
Nor has anyone else I know that has one.

[Johz]

Personally, I wonder what there R&D meetings must be like...

"So we've just made the iPaddle. Now what?"
"We could, ah, make it bigger."
"That we could do, James. However, the iPaddle is a larger version of the iPingu, which is in turn a larger version of the iPad 14. Currently one iPaddle takes up the size of three football pitches."
"Hmm, we could make it thinner?"
"We could try, but currently the iPaddle is invisible when one turns it on its side."
"I've got it!"
"Yes, Nigel?"
"We could produce a version of iPaddle that is an extremely thin screen, attached by wires to a larger box. Then, because iPaddles tend to get dirty, we could connect a device that moves around on the desk in order to navigate an avatar of some description on the screen. Then, because typing on our virtual keyboard is so hard, we could sell a hardware version, where you actually have to push down on the keys for it to work!"

...

"That's called a desktop."

[Angry Fruit Salad]

Personally, I wonder what there R&D meetings must be like...

"So we've just made the iPaddle. Now what?"
"We could, ah, make it bigger."
"That we could do, James. However, the iPaddle is a larger version of the iPingu, which is in turn a larger version of the iPad 14. Currently one iPaddle takes up the size of three football pitches."
"Hmm, we could make it thinner?"
"We could try, but currently the iPaddle is invisible when one turns it on its side."
"I've got it!"
"Yes, Nigel?"
"We could produce a version of iPaddle that is an extremely thin screen, attached by wires to a larger box. Then, because iPaddles tend to get dirty, we could connect a device that moves around on the desk in order to navigate an avatar of some description on the screen. Then, because typing on our virtual keyboard is so hard, we could sell a hardware version, where you actually have to push down on the keys for it to work!"

...

"That's called a desktop."

I really have to agree with you on this one. It seems like Apple started out with a moderately likable product and then just..went off the deep end.

First there was that big iPod that was nearly the weight of a brick, and got scuffed if you breathed wrong. Now, we have mp3 players that are small enough to swallow. There's definitely a problem with that..

[Thurask]

Personally, I wonder what there R&D meetings must be like...

"So we've just made the iPaddle. Now what?"
"We could, ah, make it bigger."
"That we could do, James. However, the iPaddle is a larger version of the iPingu, which is in turn a larger version of the iPad 14. Currently one iPaddle takes up the size of three football pitches."
"Hmm, we could make it thinner?"
"We could try, but currently the iPaddle is invisible when one turns it on its side."
"I've got it!"
"Yes, Nigel?"
"We could produce a version of iPaddle that is an extremely thin screen, attached by wires to a larger box. Then, because iPaddles tend to get dirty, we could connect a device that moves around on the desk in order to navigate an avatar of some description on the screen. Then, because typing on our virtual keyboard is so hard, we could sell a hardware version, where you actually have to push down on the keys for it to work!"

...

"That's called a desktop."

I really have to agree with you on this one. It seems like Apple started out with a moderately likable product and then just..went off the deep end.

First there was that big iPod that was nearly the weight of a brick, and got scuffed if you breathed wrong. Now, we have mp3 players that are small enough to swallow. There's definitely a problem with that..

And that we have to be reminded.

[Arumdaum]

iPods are so much better than any other random MP3 player.

Well, my iPod has much more battery life than my other MP3 player, which sucked crap.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

iPods are so much better than any other random MP3 player.

Yeah, because they cost $50-100 more and have that logo on there!

[Horsefish]

iPods are so much better than any other random MP3 player.

Well, my iPod has much more battery life than my other MP3 player, which sucked crap.

My walkman was about £30 cheaper and the battery life is much longer. It seems to last forever.

[Dyakovo]

They do it a lot better than other people, though. Sure, an iPod (Excluding the touch) is pretty much just an MP3 player. But it's got way more memory than just about any other MP3 player on the market.

[Johz]

iPods are so much better than any other random MP3 player.

Yeah, because they cost $50-100 more and have that logo on there!

They are actually better. Mainly because everything comes compatible to iPod these days, including songs. You don't find many mp3 docks unless you look really hard.

[Dyakovo]

They're really not any different from any other fanboys, though. Why specifically create a thread about them, instead of fanboyism in general?

Look at my OP--in response to an IRL conversation, and I'm particularly cratchety today because of the return of fucking permacloud and cold weather to central Ohio.

You live in central Ohio? Hmm I've been going to (well through actually) your neck of the woods every week for the past month and a half...

[Dyakovo]

Yeah, because they cost $50-100 more and have that logo on there!

They are actually better. Mainly because everything comes compatible to iPod these days, including songs. You don't find many mp3 docks unless you look really hard.

You've never heard of a USB cable?

[Angry Fruit Salad]

Yeah, because they cost $50-100 more and have that logo on there!

They are actually better. Mainly because everything comes compatible to iPod these days, including songs. You don't find many mp3 docks unless you look really hard.

Anything that uses a 3.5mm headphone jack can be jacked-in to many car stereos, and a lot of home theater systems now. I was honestly happier with my $20 2 gig XO brand mp3 player than the iPod shuffle I had years ago. It didn't use any proprietary software, plugged in with a micro-usb cord, and had a sturdy metal clip instead of the plastic crap I've had to deal with in years past. (Add in that if something catastrophic happened to it, I generally had $20 lying around to replace the thing.)

[Sungai Pusat]

while his competitors at Microsoft just use their customers as beta testers.

Of course, considering how Microsoft probably means to make the OS better than what they made previously. I don't really like the system, but it has helped for the bad errors to be fixed before it actually gets to the main board. As compared to the Mac OS, which estimates to be 2 to 3 years before anything can be done, which is usually minimal.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

while his competitors at Microsoft just use their customers as beta testers.

Of course, considering how Microsoft probably means to make the OS better than what they made previously. I don't really like the system, but it has helped for the bad errors to be fixed before it actually gets to the main board. As compared to the Mac OS, which estimates to be 2 to 3 years before anything can be done, which is usually minimal.

Personally I really don't like the idea that I am paying money to beta test a product in the hopes that they will fix some of the bugs I have to put up with at some point before next year.

[Mid Lothian]

It's not just Apple that do that - Microsoft came up with Kinect, where you can put yourself in the game. This sounds a lot like the EyeToy that was created for the PlayStation 2, was conceived in 1999 and released in 2003. (I mentioned this to my ex's brother, who said something along the lines of it being original and was in no way connected to any Sony POS.)

[Natapoc]

Given that I work with fucking project management and IT, it's definitely within the realm of acceptable to make a fucking bitch thread. Having to meet with a client who wants a data management solution for her goddam iMac is definitely the sort of thing that's going to bring out a bad fucking response, especially when she's incredulous that we don't have what she wants on hand, and that we're unwilling to sink the cash into what some mom-and-pop fucking non-profit wants--and that nobody else has asked for, or will ask for for quite some time. So excuse me for generating a thread that, apparently, created some forty-odd posts. If you don't like it, you can fuck off.

Already mentioned that I have no problem with Apple as a company. I have no problem with their products. I own an iPod Touch, and have for nearly two years.

It always amazes me that even during economically troubled times such as these some companies insist on treating their customers like trash. If she wants a data management solution for her IMac then give her one!

If economics worked the way economists say it works then you would be out of a job for treating your customers that way and your company would be out of business.

Luckily for you, capitalism does not work as well at supplying people with what they need as the free market proponents think.

By the way, I run an IT company on the side (just word of mouth, i'm to busy as it is) and I happily work with clients in getting them solutions to any IT related issue regardless of their OS (Linux, Mac, Old versions of windows, new versions of windows, ancient mac versions, ect).

Although I'm pretty much booked, I'd be happy to take away the customers from you that you don't want.

Especially that poor lady who you mistreated just because she wanted data management capabilities on her imac.

[Arkinesia]

If you're talking about operating systems, Microsoft isn't that terrible. It's passable, as is the Mac, but from hearsay, Windows is much easier to learn, and either way, trying to switch from a Windows to a Mac is torture if you don't know how to use a Mac.

Then the people you talk to are functionally retarded. Mac is a vastly simpler operating system than Windows. Open Sysprefs and Control Panel side-by-side. If you want to tell me at the end of such a comparison that Mac is more complex, you're lying or you're blind.

I found, surprisingly, my Linux more user friendly than trying to get my head around my school's art department's Macs.

Then you're just nitpicking. Honestly, even most Mac haters will acknowledge Mac is a simpler operating system.

It seems that every apple product comes with its own set of hoops to be added onto its predecessor. Need I point you to the iPhone's...particularities in terms of software? And which carrier it likes best?

Lawl. The iPhone is on AT&T and Verizon. Unless you're talking about some other country…

[Arkinesia]

It's not just Apple that do that - Microsoft came up with Kinect, where you can put yourself in the game. This sounds a lot like the EyeToy that was created for the PlayStation 2, was conceived in 1999 and released in 2003. (I mentioned this to my ex's brother, who said something along the lines of it being original and was in no way connected to any Sony POS.)

The Kinect brought nothing new to the table. Literally, nothing. It had games ripped off of the Wii, and the entire concept had already been done with the EyeToy.

Milo and Kate was the closest to Kinect doing something new. But they forgot one thing…













…actually making it available.

[Free Missouri]

I know this may be pretty much common knowledge, but I just had an IRL conversation with somebody who claimed that Apple was "so innovative, nobody has ever done what they are doing." And, well, I'm rant-ish right now, so I'm going to shoot off on that.

Apple doesn't innovate technologically and it never has. Sure, they are innovative marketers and repackagers, and they have a good design arm. But, tech-wise, they have never crossed a technological threshhold, and following the Apple model will lead us down a road to cultural stagnation, laziness and mediocrity. The things that they tout? The mouse and GUI both came out of Xerox-PARC and Stanford, IBM Simon was the first smartphone in 1992 (iPhone? A decade and a half later in 2007), iPod was foreshadowed by Kane Kramer in 1979,iPad (the least revolutionary of all because its a mimic of pre-existing technology, alongside the fact that it was, and still is, just a really big, extra clunky iPod Touch) was merely a well marketed repackaging of decade-old tablet technology...grouchy-grumble-mumble

apple doesn't have to make anything innovative, because they made the Innovation that Microsoft and all those other folk Ripped off of them

Personal Computers,

Steve Jobs Built the first one my Friend...

[Hydesland]

If economics worked the way economists say it works then you would be out of a job for treating your customers that way and your company would be out of business.

Please cite literature indicating a broad consensus that businesses would never treat their customers in the way that Andaluciae does.

[Scientific socks]

Then the people you talk to are functionally retarded. Mac is a vastly simpler operating system than Windows. Open Sysprefs and Control Panel side-by-side. If you want to tell me at the end of such a comparison that Mac is more complex, you're lying or you're blind.

Yes and Windows can do that too. It really shows nothing about the operating system. Almost every single system regarless of its share of the market can have the control pannel and system preferences open at once. The ones that cant would have next to know customers and money



Thats what we are told yet I know my cousin goes to a preschool where the children already use Windows computers. Have you got any proof that it takes less time to learc Mac functions then Windows or even something far less, like reasons why it would take less time to learn?

Since his name was Terra Australasia I would guess that he comes from the Australasia region, probably Australia. There is more than one country on Earth just like there is more than one opperating system. I suspect you are not fully aware of the criteria you use to judge both. Instead you can refer anyone whom does not prefer the Mac system as "haters" in a similar manner that some over patriotic Americans call anyone an "Anti-American" if they question Americas policies. Its much simpler to label.

[Arkinesia]

Since his name was Terra Australasia I would guess that he comes from the Australasia region, probably Australia. There is more than one country on Earth just like there is more than one opperating system. I suspect you are not fully aware of the criteria you use to judge both. Instead you can refer anyone whom does not prefer the Mac system as "haters" in a similar manner that some over patriotic Americans call anyone an "Anti-American" if they question Americas policies. Its much simpler to label.

He is wailing on Apple for irrational reasons. Ergo, he is a hater.

[Andaluciae]

I know this may be pretty much common knowledge, but I just had an IRL conversation with somebody who claimed that Apple was "so innovative, nobody has ever done what they are doing." And, well, I'm rant-ish right now, so I'm going to shoot off on that.

Apple doesn't innovate technologically and it never has. Sure, they are innovative marketers and repackagers, and they have a good design arm. But, tech-wise, they have never crossed a technological threshhold, and following the Apple model will lead us down a road to cultural stagnation, laziness and mediocrity. The things that they tout? The mouse and GUI both came out of Xerox-PARC and Stanford, IBM Simon was the first smartphone in 1992 (iPhone? A decade and a half later in 2007), iPod was foreshadowed by Kane Kramer in 1979,iPad (the least revolutionary of all because its a mimic of pre-existing technology, alongside the fact that it was, and still is, just a really big, extra clunky iPod Touch) was merely a well marketed repackaging of decade-old tablet technology...grouchy-grumble-mumble

apple doesn't have to make anything innovative, because they made the Innovation that Microsoft and all those other folk Ripped off of them

Personal Computers,

Steve Jobs Built the first one my Friend...

No, he didn't. He built an early commercially successful personal computer, certainly not the first. He picked up almost all of the concepts for Apple from Xerox-PARC.

[Andaluciae]

Given that I work with fucking project management and IT, it's definitely within the realm of acceptable to make a fucking bitch thread. Having to meet with a client who wants a data management solution for her goddam iMac is definitely the sort of thing that's going to bring out a bad fucking response, especially when she's incredulous that we don't have what she wants on hand, and that we're unwilling to sink the cash into what some mom-and-pop fucking non-profit wants--and that nobody else has asked for, or will ask for for quite some time. So excuse me for generating a thread that, apparently, created some forty-odd posts. If you don't like it, you can fuck off.

Already mentioned that I have no problem with Apple as a company. I have no problem with their products. I own an iPod Touch, and have for nearly two years.

It always amazes me that even during economically troubled times such as these some companies insist on treating their customers like trash. If she wants a data management solution for her IMac then give her one!

If economics worked the way economists say it works then you would be out of a job for treating your customers that way and your company would be out of business.

Luckily for you, capitalism does not work as well at supplying people with what they need as the free market proponents think.

By the way, I run an IT company on the side (just word of mouth, i'm to busy as it is) and I happily work with clients in getting them solutions to any IT related issue regardless of their OS (Linux, Mac, Old versions of windows, new versions of windows, ancient mac versions, ect).

Although I'm pretty much booked, I'd be happy to take away the customers from you that you don't want.

Especially that poor lady who you mistreated just because she wanted data management capabilities on her imac.

Cost-benefit analysis. We didn't have the capabilities to do what she wanted, and we told her that. She then got all incredulous at us. She can go buy a 25000 dollar solution from Centric if that's what she wants, of course that would break her budget.

We're not going to go out of our way to get 5000 dollars from her, with the sort of financial and time costs that would associate with what she wants.

The market operates by compromises, and if no compromise can be met, then too bad. Capitalism requires mutual benefit. If there is no mutual benefit, then there's no deal.

[Sun Aut Ex]

It's not just Apple that do that - Microsoft came up with Kinect, where you can put yourself in the game. This sounds a lot like the EyeToy that was created for the PlayStation 2, was conceived in 1999 and released in 2003. (I mentioned this to my ex's brother, who said something along the lines of it being original and was in no way connected to any Sony POS.)

They're superficially similar, but the Kinect is far more advanced.

Don't look at what the mainstream is doing with the Kinect, look at what the fringe is doing with it. That's where you'll see how awesome it is.