XM8 Assault Rifle

[Jari Head]

.30-06 is too powerful. Besides, 6.5 and 7.62x51 are perfectly good rounds.

A modernized 30.06 is a perfect semi automatic only DMR round. 6.5, 6.8, 7.62 NATO, and the 280 British are perfectly good rounds with the 7.62 NATO with could be on the brinking high end in what you could use in a assault rifle.

The 7.62 NATO is a real good sniper round when you don't need to throw a .5in slug more than a mile.

[Genivaria]

Why'd Genivar get b&?

Get what?

[Caninope]

Why'd Genivar get b&?

Get what?

Shorthand version of banned. Say "ba" and then "and" and it starts to make sense.

[Genivaria]

Get what?

Shorthand version of banned. Say "ba" and then "and" and it starts to make sense.

Ah, thanks. And its because I quoted someone who posted an explicit image.
Mercator Terra and I both got banned.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

A modernized 30.06 is a perfect semi automatic only DMR round. 6.5, 6.8, 7.62 NATO, and the 280 British are perfectly good rounds with the 7.62 NATO with could be on the brinking high end in what you could use in a assault rifle.

The 7.62 NATO is a real good sniper round when you don't need to throw a .5in slug more than a mile.

7.62 is not for snipers period. It is for DM rifles, to engage targets too far away for a M4 and too close for a dedicated sniper. Snipers should only use dedicated high velocity high BC rounds like .50 BMG, .338 Lapua, .300 Lapua, .408 Chey Tac, and .416 Barret. Really hitting a target from even half a mile away with a 7.62 NATO rifle is a small feat, hitting a target from almost a mile is nearly impossible.

[Kyraina]

The 7.62 NATO is a real good sniper round when you don't need to throw a .5in slug more than a mile.

7.62 is not for snipers period. It is for DM rifles, to engage targets too far away for a M4 and too close for a dedicated sniper. Snipers should only use dedicated high velocity high BC rounds like .50 BMG, .338 Lapua, .300 Lapua, .408 Chey Tac, and .416 Barret. Really hitting a target from even half a mile away with a 7.62 NATO rifle is a small feat, hitting a target from almost a mile is nearly impossible.

but possible with the Barret 50 cal. sniper rifle and the good old 50 cal. machine gun

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

7.62 is not for snipers period. It is for DM rifles, to engage targets too far away for a M4 and too close for a dedicated sniper. Snipers should only use dedicated high velocity high BC rounds like .50 BMG, .338 Lapua, .300 Lapua, .408 Chey Tac, and .416 Barret. Really hitting a target from even half a mile away with a 7.62 NATO rifle is a small feat, hitting a target from almost a mile is nearly impossible.

but possible with the Barret 50 cal. sniper rifle and the good old 50 cal. machine gun

Of course, a few people have gotten kills from that distance with .50 cal weapons, and the longest sniper kill is with a .338 lapua.

[Kyraina]

but possible with the Barret 50 cal. sniper rifle and the good old 50 cal. machine gun

Of course, a few people have gotten kills from that distance with .50 cal weapons, and the longest sniper kill is with a .338 lapua.

the furthest gun kills came in dogfights if you want to be technical about because the average spacing between planes when they open up on each other with the machine guns is bout 4.2 miles apart

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Of course, a few people have gotten kills from that distance with .50 cal weapons, and the longest sniper kill is with a .338 lapua.

the furthest gun kills came in dogfights if you want to be technical about because the average spacing between planes when they open up on each other with the machine guns is bout 4.2 miles apart

Planes don't use sniper rifles.

[Kyraina]

the furthest gun kills came in dogfights if you want to be technical about because the average spacing between planes when they open up on each other with the machine guns is bout 4.2 miles apart

Planes don't use sniper rifles.

gun kills is what i said but thats on a technically but thats not the case and i was just pionting something out anglo-saxon

[Caninope]

7.62 is not for snipers period. It is for DM rifles, to engage targets too far away for a M4 and too close for a dedicated sniper. Snipers should only use dedicated high velocity high BC rounds like .50 BMG, .338 Lapua, .300 Lapua, .408 Chey Tac, and .416 Barret. Really hitting a target from even half a mile away with a 7.62 NATO rifle is a small feat, hitting a target from almost a mile is nearly impossible.

but possible with the Barret 50 cal. sniper rifle and the good old 50 cal. machine gun

Heavy, heavy caliber weapons aren't used to shoot people. They're used on vehicles.

[Munathanura]

but possible with the Barret 50 cal. sniper rifle and the good old 50 cal. machine gun

Heavy, heavy caliber weapons aren't used to shoot people. They're used on vehicles.

The Barrett M82 and the Denel NTW-20 would beg to disagree.

[--New Zealand--]

Heavy, heavy caliber weapons aren't used to shoot people. They're used on vehicles.

I believe the correct term is "Anti-Materiel Rifle" but they can still be used as sniper weapons

[Caninope]

Heavy, heavy caliber weapons aren't used to shoot people. They're used on vehicles.

The Barrett M82 and the Denel NTW-20 would beg to disagree.

They're both anti-materiel rifles. That's exactly what they're made for.

[Caninope]

Heavy, heavy caliber weapons aren't used to shoot people. They're used on vehicles.

I believe the correct term is "Anti-Material Rifle" but they can still be used as sniper weapons

"Anti-materiel" actually.

[Munathanura]

The Barrett M82 and the Denel NTW-20 would beg to disagree.

They're both anti-materiel rifles. That's exactly what they're made for.

Ah, crap, sorry, I misread what you said. Nonetheless, they can and, in the case of the Barrett, have been used intentionally against human targets.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

but possible with the Barret 50 cal. sniper rifle and the good old 50 cal. machine gun

Heavy, heavy caliber weapons aren't used to shoot people. They're used on vehicles.

No, they are used to kill people at long ranges. A .338 Lapua won't do much to an armoured humvee, let alone anything big, and a 7.62 NATO can't hit anything out to a mile, even a kilometer is pushing it.

[DaWoad]

Heavy, heavy caliber weapons aren't used to shoot people. They're used on vehicles.

No, they are used to kill people at long ranges. A .338 Lapua won't do much to an armoured humvee, let alone anything big, and a 7.62 NATO can't hit anything out to a mile, even a kilometer is pushing it.

.338 is a sniper caliber while .50 is anti-material (light anti material I think?).

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

No, they are used to kill people at long ranges. A .338 Lapua won't do much to an armoured humvee, let alone anything big, and a 7.62 NATO can't hit anything out to a mile, even a kilometer is pushing it.

.338 is a sniper caliber while .50 is anti-material (light anti material I think?).

Technically speaking .50 was developed for machine guns, but it is a good sniper rifle round due to its high muzzle velocity and ballistic coefficient.

[Daistallia 2104]

I believe the correct term is "Anti-Material Rifle" but they can still be used as sniper weapons

"Anti-materiel" actually.

Indeed so.

Material is simply the constituent stuff, but materiel is the aggregate stuff used for business or military undertakings/operations, as distinct from personnel.

[Daistallia 2104]

Technically speaking .50 was developed for machine guns, but it is a good sniper rifle round due to its high muzzle velocity and ballistic coefficient.

Again, this is indeed so. There's a reason it's the .50 Browning Machine Gun and not the .50 Browning Anti-Materiel. And I may be mistaken, but to my knowledge the .50 BMG was used for long range sniping before being used in an AMR. (Carlos Hathcock's use of the M2 is perhaps most famous, but the M2 was being used for long range sniping as far back as the Korean War.) And I may be forgetting something obscure here, but there is a marked absence of these types of rifles between the WWII era AT rifles and the AMRs from the 1980s onwards. But the ATRs really weren't suitable for long range usage.

The .338 Lapua Magnum currently holds the long range kill record, and two spots on the top 5 list (the others all being .50 BMG). You have to get down to 7th place to find a 7.62x51mm NATO, and the range was well under 1000 m short of the .338 Lapua Magnum's longest kill shot.

[Dyakovo]

Uh-huh...
I carried around a 23 lb. weapon (plus a 60 lb. pack and 1000 rounds of ammo) all day and didn't get particularly tired. You don't know what you're talking about.

You carried a SAW around, huh? Probably one of the shittiest positions in combat, since you basically have to find whatever cover is available outside of whichever structure your squad is trying to clear and do what you can to provide covering fire.

No, I carried a M60, not the POS SAW.

[Dyakovo]

but possible with the Barret 50 cal. sniper rifle and the good old 50 cal. machine gun

Heavy, heavy caliber weapons aren't used to shoot people.

Yes, they are.

[DaWoad]

You carried a SAW around, huh? Probably one of the shittiest positions in combat, since you basically have to find whatever cover is available outside of whichever structure your squad is trying to clear and do what you can to provide covering fire.

No, I carried a M60, not the POS SAW.

you preferred the M60???? I heard that weapon was, frankly, a POS while the M249 was pretty decent.

[Dyakovo]

No, I carried a M60, not the POS SAW.

you preferred the M60???? I heard that weapon was, frankly, a POS while the M249 was pretty decent.

You heard wrong. Maybe at this point the SAW has out grown its teething problems, but I doubt it. The M60 is(was) a proven, reliable weapon. The SAW because of its light barrel has/had serious issues with its barrel due to its lightweight design.