Libya megathread: Gaddafi dead

[-West]

Good thing he is dead. I didn't want a new Osama..

[Ebeen]

Congratulations to the people of Libya! I hope that now you can heal the wounds of your country and move forward with your dreams. My sincerest hope for all your citizens.

[Novograd IV]

At the end of the day, the new government is probably going to fuck libya over more than Gadaffi would have.

[Milks Empire]

At the end of the day, the new government is probably going to fuck libya over more than Gadaffi would have.

Especially when you look at who the outsiders coming in to "help" are and what their track record for that is.

[Sheepatropolis]

Death was too good for him. I would have rather seen him face justice and punishment by law, but I can hardly blame the rebels/NTC fighters for doing what they did. The footage of his capture was pretty disturbing. He looked so frail and weak. Ironic that he called the rebels rats, when he himself was captured hiding in a drain. Disturbingly poetic.

[Novograd IV]

At the end of the day, the new government is probably going to fuck libya over more than Gadaffi would have.

Especially when you look at who the outsiders coming in to "help" are and what their track record for that is.

IIRC Egypt was in on this from the start, NATO have openly overstepped their UN resolution, Sarkozy was supported by Libyans apparently too.

[Novograd IV]

Death was too good for him. I would have rather seen him face justice and punishment by law, but I can hardly blame the rebels/NTC fighters for doing what they did. The footage of his capture was pretty disturbing. He looked so frail and weak. Ironic that he called the rebels rats, when he was captured hiding in a drain. Disturbingly poetic.

it takes more than a few days of hiding to suddenly become like that, and the images I've seen look like mediocre gadaffi impersonators.

[-St George]

Killing Gadaffi, impulsive decision by NTC soldiers or not, was the pragmatic thing to do.

[Cjeam]

NATO have openly overstepped their UN resolution,

I am entirely unsurprised that Russia and China (IIRK) vetoed the resolution on Syria, they said basically NATO overstepping 1973 was why they'd done it. The way I see it, the resolution was to protect civilians, so that could in theory have meant air strikes on rebel forces if they were endangering civilians, and instead what happened was NATO picked sides and enacted a regime change by proxy. Staggering chutzpah.

[Allrule]

NATO have openly overstepped their UN resolution,

I am entirely unsurprised that Russia and China (IIRK) vetoed the resolution on Syria, they said basically NATO overstepping 1973 was why they'd done it. The way I see it, the resolution was to protect civilians, so that could in theory have meant air strikes on rebel forces if they were endangering civilians, and instead what happened was NATO picked sides and enacted a regime change by proxy. Staggering chutzpah.

Gaddafi blew any chance with NATO when he started threatening to attack passenger jets:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -loom.html

He essentially confessed he was a threat to civilians.

[Volnotova]

TEXT: "...Israeli military sources consider the fall of the Gaddafi regime to pose a “strategic danger” especially on the Zionist entity's southern front. Israeli army radio said Friday morning that Libya had greatly improved its relations with Israel as of late, and pointed out that the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, Avigdor Lieberman, made special efforts to complement Gaddafi during the board of ministers and security board meetings. He said that Gaddafi is a “credible leader”..."

Lieberman said what?



Also, what a shame, I would have loved to see him in the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

[Bales Rant]

Since there's a video of Gaddafi alive just after he was captured, I'm wondering if he did just succumb to his apparent wounds or whether he was summarily executed? If the latter, was it impulsive and independent actions by the NTC soldiers on the ground or did they get an order from the Executive Board? I mean, for instance, Jibril himself is an ex-regime man. Is it a case of dead men don't speak aka, imho, the bin laden killing?

I understand the desire for revenge, and the notion of why should Gaddafi be given a trial when he didn't provide them for many of his countrymen, but - if it was indeed an execution - I would have preferred a fledging democracy to try and follow due process because that's how the Gaddafi's of this world can come about.

Still, good riddance but the hard work obviously starts now.

[Keronians]

TEXT: "...Israeli military sources consider the fall of the Gaddafi regime to pose a “strategic danger” especially on the Zionist entity's southern front. Israeli army radio said Friday morning that Libya had greatly improved its relations with Israel as of late, and pointed out that the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, Avigdor Lieberman, made special efforts to complement Gaddafi during the board of ministers and security board meetings. He said that Gaddafi is a “credible leader”..."

Lieberman said what?



Also, what a shame, I would have loved to see him in the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

I would have too.

Too bad the NTC soldiers decided to kill him instead.

[Syvorskji]

Since there's a video of Gaddafi alive just after he was captured, I'm wondering if he did just succumb to his apparent wounds or whether he was summarily executed? If the latter, was it impulsive and independent actions by the NTC soldiers on the ground or did they get an order from the Executive Board? I mean, for instance, Jibril himself is an ex-regime man. Is it a case of dead men don't speak aka, imho, the bin laden killing?

I understand the desire for revenge, and the notion of why should Gaddafi be given a trial when he didn't provide them for many of his countrymen, but - if it was indeed an execution - I would have preferred a fledging democracy to try and follow due process because that's how the Gaddafi's of this world can come about.

Still, good riddance but the hard work obviously starts now.

I saw the vid too. If you look good there is a part 1 and part 2. Both parts are divided by that guy moving the camera for around 2-3 secs away from Gaddafi. Why? Because he was killed in those 2-3 secs. In part 1 he is alive, when he is in the truck, he is dead.

[Alimeria II]

From what I heard (Though this is from MSN) Gaddafi died from his wounds.

[Allrule]

I just realized Gaddafi's death was so poetic.

He was born in Sirte, and then he died in Sirte.

Very poetic.

[Volnotova]

I just realized Gaddafi's death was so poetic.

He was born in Sirte, and then he died in Sirte.

Very poetic.

As much as I think killing Gadaffi was out of line; wow.

It indeed is very poetic.

[Neo Arcad]

They shot him execution-style, then beat him with shoes.
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I love how they're so stereotypically Arabic. Way to go with that mold-breaking thing...

[Serrland]

They shot him execution-style, then beat him with shoes.
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I love how they're so stereotypically Arabic. Way to go with that mold-breaking thing...

Just one hanging from a bridge and then dragging through the streets while being spit and urinated on away from doing it Italian style, I see.

[Neo Arcad]

They shot him execution-style, then beat him with shoes.
...
I love how they're so stereotypically Arabic. Way to go with that mold-breaking thing...

Just one hanging from a bridge and then dragging through the streets while being spit and urinated on away from doing it Italian style, I see.

Libya WAS an Italian colony. It wouldn't surprise me.
But they've probably already beheaded him, dipped the head in formaldehyde or some shit, and stuck it on a pike, British-style.

[Syvorskji]

Saif Al- Islam is also dead

Source (it is Dutch, sorry)

[Neo Arcad]

Saif Al- Islam is also dead

Source (it is Dutch, sorry)

I'm sorry, but I refuse to even translate articles with the word "gerechtigheid" in them.

[Syvorskji]

Saif Al- Islam is also dead

Source (it is Dutch, sorry)

I'm sorry, but I refuse to even translate articles with the word "gerechtigheid" in them.

nterpol en het Internationaal Strafhof (ICC) riepen donderdag Saif al-Islam Kaddafi opgeroepen zich ''in het belang van de gerechtigheid'' zo snel mogelijk over te geven

Literally meaning

Interpol and the International Court of Law sayed Thursday to Saif Al Islam to surrender 'in name of order'.

Quote of Interpol, not the newssite.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Who wants to go to that *ucking hell ? I'm fine here. And I'm ready to kick some american soldiers asses if they attempt to do the same things here. (We bagged some of them today anyway) I'll will also do my best to defend Syrian regime as well, along with my Syrian friends who love their state and are ready to fight imperialist invasion

<snip>
We are nobodys pawn or dog like you are all pawns of zionists. We fight for our freedoms, you fight for oil and money.

And who says that there are plenty of Syrians who are against Assad ? your *ucking zionist media ? No. You don't know even know about the rally with millions of syrians recently for support to the regime.

Kemaliste: I can understand if you are passionate in your beliefs, just as many on these forums are, but if you can't refrain from inflammatory language, lumping all people who you don't agree with into one insulting group, and making threats and the like, your stay here is going to be shortened, considerably. You have already been warned and banned for similar behavior. I would suggest you rethink your debate tactics before participating again, thank you.

[Sawia]

Congratulations to the people of Libya! I hope that now you can heal the wounds of your country and move forward with your dreams. My sincerest hope for all your citizens.

Wishfull thinking. It will take years or close to decade before the country will be stabilized and rebuilt.
My bet is on situation like Iraq, western supported government and lots of "baddies" with guns, IEDs and all that stuff.