Libya megathread: Gaddafi dead

by **Shofercia** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:10 pm

Allrule wrote:Al-Jazeera reports that NTC forces have "punched through" Sirte's defences:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 80505.html

The clock is winding down faster and faster...

Hopefully they won't turn Sirte into Tawerga, if they take it.

by **Allrule** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:22 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Allrule wrote:Al-Jazeera reports that NTC forces have "punched through" Sirte's defences:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 80505.html

The clock is winding down faster and faster...

Hopefully they won't turn Sirte into Tawerga, if they take it.

I highly doubt it. Not only is Sirte more high-profile than Tawerga- I'd never heard of the latter until it was brought up- but most civilians have already gotten the hell out of Dodge, in the case of the former. The rest are either Gaddafi soldiers or die-hard Gaddafi loyalists. And the fact that the UN and NATO and pretty much the entire West would have to be either cartoonishly evil or extremely stupid to not notice a campaign of ethnic cleansing going on in Sirte.

by **Shofercia** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:27 pm

Allrule wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Hopefully they won't turn Sirte into Tawerga, if they take it.

I highly doubt it. Not only is Sirte more high-profile than Tawerga- I'd never heard of the latter until it was brought up- but most civilians have already gotten the hell out of Dodge, in the case of the former. The rest are either Gaddafi soldiers or die-hard Gaddafi loyalists. And the fact that the UN and NATO and pretty much the entire West would have to be either cartoonishly evil or extremely stupid to not notice a campaign of ethnic cleansing going on in Sirte.

Let's hope that you're right, and it doesn't turn into Kosovo 2.0. Also, I'm not sure that all civvies left, because some might just be too stubborn to leave their hometown, so it's not just die-hard loyalists and soldiers, it's also people who don't want their homes destroyed. Let's hope that these people will have better representation, than those of Tawerga.

by **Allrule** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:37 pm

Al-Jazeera is reporting that the NTC claims Mutassim Gaddafi has been captured and taken to Benghazi. My Internet is being stupid and taking forever to load it, but regardless:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 91605.html

by **Sambianza** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:06 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Allrule wrote:I highly doubt it. Not only is Sirte more high-profile than Tawerga- I'd never heard of the latter until it was brought up- but most civilians have already gotten the hell out of Dodge, in the case of the former. The rest are either Gaddafi soldiers or die-hard Gaddafi loyalists. And the fact that the UN and NATO and pretty much the entire West would have to be either cartoonishly evil or extremely stupid to not notice a campaign of ethnic cleansing going on in Sirte.

Let's hope that you're right, and it doesn't turn into Kosovo 2.0. Also, I'm not sure that all civvies left, because some might just be too stubborn to leave their hometown, so it's not just die-hard loyalists and soldiers, it's also people who don't want their homes destroyed. Let's hope that these people will have better representation, than those of Tawerga.

Well...most people in sirte are Arabs and dark-skinned Libyans have been treated well and not ethnically cleansed. And really even the most stubborn civilian would have left the city...the shelling and bombing was just so relentless. And well...the die-hard gaddafi loyalist have probably became gaddafi soldiers...

by **Sambianza** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:07 pm

Allrule wrote:Al-Jazeera is reporting that the NTC claims Mutassim Gaddafi has been captured and taken to Benghazi. My Internet is being stupid and taking forever to load it, but regardless:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 91605.html

Yippee...this better be true...

by **Allrule** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:21 pm

I love seeing all the Gaddafi fanboys running around on Youtube. One commenter summed it up best:

Gadhaffi's most powerful force now resides on the internet lol.

And I will bet you 10 of whatever currency Libya uses that some percentage of them are pro-Gaddafi just because they think they're "Smashing The Man, Dude^TM".

by **Kazomal** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:31 pm

Sambianza wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Let's hope that you're right, and it doesn't turn into Kosovo 2.0. Also, I'm not sure that all civvies left, because some might just be too stubborn to leave their hometown, so it's not just die-hard loyalists and soldiers, it's also people who don't want their homes destroyed. Let's hope that these people will have better representation, than those of Tawerga.

Well...most people in sirte are Arabs and dark-skinned Libyans have been treated well and not ethnically cleansed. And really even the most stubborn civilian would have left the city...the shelling and bombing was just so relentless. And well...the die-hard gaddafi loyalist have probably became gaddafi soldiers...

Not necessarily. Many civillians are too scared to leaved their homes, and others may have nowhere to go and no means out anyway.

I'm an RL Wikipedian! · by **Wikipedia and Universe** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:53 pm

Allrule wrote:I love seeing all the Gaddafi fanboys running around on Youtube. One commenter summed it up best:
Gadhaffi's most powerful force now resides on the internet lol.
And I will bet you 10 of whatever currency Libya uses...

That would be 10 Libyan Dinars, which comes to $8.15. :ugeek:

...that some percentage of them are pro-Gaddafi just because they think they're "Smashing The Man, Dude^TM".

Yup, teenie "rebulz", those nutty konfliktards.

by **Sambianza** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:23 pm

Allrule wrote:I love seeing all the Gaddafi fanboys running around on Youtube. One commenter summed it up best:

Gadhaffi's most powerful force now resides on the internet lol.

And I will bet you 10 of whatever currency Libya uses that some percentage of them are pro-Gaddafi just because they think they're "Smashing The Man, Dude^TM".

That just made my day :lol:

...couldn't agree more...many of his fanboys rage on Russia Today.

by **Sambianza** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:24 pm

Kazomal wrote:
Sambianza wrote:
Well...most people in sirte are Arabs and dark-skinned Libyans have been treated well and not ethnically cleansed. And really even the most stubborn civilian would have left the city...the shelling and bombing was just so relentless. And well...the die-hard gaddafi loyalist have probably became gaddafi soldiers...

Not necessarily. Many civillians are too scared to leaved their homes, and others may have nowhere to go and no means out anyway.

That's true I guess but....we will neevr know unless your actually there inside the City in residential buildings.

by **Allrule** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:49 pm

I'll just leave this here and get out before the argument artillery bombings start.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 66780.html

by **Sambianza** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:44 pm

Allrule wrote:I'll just leave this here and get out before the argument artillery bombings start.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 66780.html

...ARGUMENT STARTED......

Meh...no ones perfect.

by **-St George** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:53 pm

Canada Remnants wrote:Sigh a Dust storm hindered the forces in Sirte, perhaps Khadaffi can summon bad weather?

itt gadaffi is the mummy

by **Shofercia** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:12 pm

Sambianza wrote:
Kazomal wrote:
Not necessarily. Many civillians are too scared to leaved their homes, and others may have nowhere to go and no means out anyway.

That's true I guess but....we will neevr know unless your actually there inside the City in residential buildings.

People usually are. When they're being attacked, civilians do the thing that they think is the safest, which isn't always the most rational thing to do. In Sirte - they have both sides to deal with: anyone leaving the city can be deemed "unpatriotic", by their neighbors. And they're scared that if they leave, they could get shot by NTC. It's a lose-lose situation, so they're likely to stay inside their homes.

Allrule wrote:I'll just leave this here and get out before the argument artillery bombings start.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 66780.html

Hopefully NTC does its best to investigate this. If they don't, it's going to bite them in the ass later on.

by **Allrule** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:46 pm

OH FUCK!

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 10311.html

They know where he is, guys! THEY KNOW WHERE HE IS!

This is so epic!

by **Costa Fiero** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:30 pm

Allrule wrote:OH FUCK!

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 10311.html

They know where he is, guys! THEY KNOW WHERE HE IS!

This is so epic!

So what's the bet he'll be strung up on a lampost and beaten by angry pesants like Libya's former colonial overlord?

by **Allrule** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:35 pm

Costa Fiero wrote:
Allrule wrote:OH FUCK!

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 10311.html

They know where he is, guys! THEY KNOW WHERE HE IS!

This is so epic!

So what's the bet he'll be strung up on a lampost and beaten by angry pesants like Libya's former colonial overlord?

I will bet you 100 Saudi riyals.

That money is no good here, boy! :twisted:

by **Arumdaum** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:50 am

Allrule wrote:OH FUCK!

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 10311.html

They know where he is, guys! THEY KNOW WHERE HE IS!

This is so epic!

Tracking people by satellite... that's actually pretty creepy.

by **Allrule** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:30 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Allrule wrote:OH FUCK!

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 10311.html

They know where he is, guys! THEY KNOW WHERE HE IS!

This is so epic!

Tracking people by satellite... that's actually pretty creepy.

Well, it's kinda excusable when you're talking about someone like Gaddafi or bin Laden.

by **Tmutarakhan** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:44 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Shofercia wrote:“Go peacefully... Be courageous, rise up, go to the streets, raise our green flags to the skies," makes more sense than anything Khadaffi's said up to this point.

Which is not a very high bar.
It was, however, really inspiring to see ALL of Qadhafi's supporters, every last one of them outside of Sirte and Bani Walid, courageously marching in the streets, raising their green flags to the skies...

10 to 15 Qadhafi supporters did hoist green flags and march. They were armed, though, and it turned into a gun battle.

by **Sambianza** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:03 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Sambianza wrote:
That's true I guess but....we will neevr know unless your actually there inside the City in residential buildings.

People usually are. When they're being attacked, civilians do the thing that they think is the safest, which isn't always the most rational thing to do. In Sirte - they have both sides to deal with: anyone leaving the city can be deemed "unpatriotic", by their neighbors. And they're scared that if they leave, they could get shot by NTC. It's a lose-lose situation, so they're likely to stay inside their homes.

Well..they had some chances to leave the fighting during the cease fires. Of course as you said...they would be seen as unpatriotic.

by **Kazomal** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:13 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:Which is not a very high bar.
It was, however, really inspiring to see ALL of Qadhafi's supporters, every last one of them outside of Sirte and Bani Walid, courageously marching in the streets, raising their green flags to the skies...

10 to 15 Qadhafi supporters did hoist green flags and march. They were armed, though, and it turned into a gun battle.

Teddible.

by **Allrule** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:37 pm

Bulldozers are demolishing the Bab al-Azizia compound. According to NTC officials, the area will become a public park.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15329119

by **Allrule** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:49 pm

Ok, this is more important than the demolishing of Bab al-Azizia.

NTC forces have entered Bani Walid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15330551

Libya megathread: Gaddafi dead

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