Why the hate on Obama?

[Los Cabreddes]

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

last time I checked most people try not to be poor but are dragged back into it by external forces (e.g. crime)

Oh I know that, but what if someone does choose to be poor. What if someone goes out on a motorcycle with nothing but a bible to spread the word of God, or lives in a commune up in the mountains. It is your right to not participate in Capitalism right now, though if Obamacare stands it won't be.

[The REAL Glasers]

To be honest, I've been a lot more frustrated and angry with the Democratic party as a whole than I have been with Obama. He could have been a good president, but his presidency was marred by an indecisive and spineless party that couldn't make use of its majorities.

I also harbor some hate toward Republicans for getting caught up in this Tea Party nonsense and being absolutely uncompromising. Times like these are not a time for for party politics.

[Ashmoria]

because it works.

the right/republicans/libertarians have mounted a constant hate campaign and it has had its effect.

Ash,
Ignore the wing-nuts on the right for a bit and imagine that it's just someone who disagrees on many philosophical fronts with the President. Is it "hate" to have that kind of ideas about the man?

disagreeing with the president is FINE. its expected. its patriotic even.

but this lame-ass "whatever the president does, even if its what ive wanted the whole time, it SUCKS" stuff is wrong. the "ohmygod obama hates the UK because of the maumau thing in kenya" is retarded. the constant "is he or isnt he a muslim" stuff is wrong.

the stupid disinformation campaign waged so hard by the conservative talk radio shows and fox news makes it impossible to get a true read on what the public wants and what they would think of whatever plan there is if they only got the truth about it.

which doesnt mean that the public would always agree if they knew "the truth" it just means that its impossible to tell when they are worried sick that obamacare means death panels for their elderly relatives.

[Geniasis]

The fact of the matter is he is a great guy, America and a lot of other countrys need to get public health care.

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

Nobody "chooses" to be poor.

EDIT: Oh, I see what you meant. Sorry, I assumed it was another anti-poor people rant.

[The Ben Boys]

To be frank:

Because he isn't black. That's right, he isn't black like he says he is.

[SunsSon]

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

Nobody "chooses" to be poor.

EDIT: Oh, I see what you meant. Sorry, I assumed it was another anti-poor people rant.

I know you edited your post, but honestly I believe anyone who would rather work hourly than in an office for whatever reason (offices are boring, hourly is more rewarding) are choosing their standard of living. Anyone who takes a pay cut to get more free time is doing it willingly. Anyone who wants to open their own business should know that they could become a millionaire or live an impoverished life.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Ash,
Ignore the wing-nuts on the right for a bit and imagine that it's just someone who disagrees on many philosophical fronts with the President. Is it "hate" to have that kind of ideas about the man?

disagreeing with the president is FINE. its expected. its patriotic even.

but this lame-ass "whatever the president does, even if its what ive wanted the whole time, it SUCKS" stuff is wrong. the "ohmygod obama hates the UK because of the maumau thing in kenya" is retarded. the constant "is he or isnt he a muslim" stuff is wrong.

Yeah, that stuff is pretty whacked out. I think some of these things happen because he plays his cards so close to the vest. Some folk on the right wonder why a sane person would do what he does and invent even crazier theories.

the stupid disinformation campaign waged so hard by the conservative talk radio shows and fox news makes it impossible to get a true read on what the public wants and what they would think of whatever plan there is if they only got the truth about it.

Be specific, please. Do you believe there are any people of opposing views and good faith on the radio and/or at Fox News? Or do you think they're all political hacks? It's pretty uncharitable and self-limiting to think that all the folk that oppose your philosophical view are evil or crazy.

which doesnt mean that the public would always agree if they knew "the truth" it just means that its impossible to tell when they are worried sick that obamacare means death panels for their elderly relatives.

I'm not going to go into Mathusian fears about the availability of medical treatment for any particular group, it may be there or not, since I haven't read the 2000 page monstrosity. I don't like the idea that I have to buy healthcare insurance simply because I breathe, though.

[JuNii]

I don't hate Obama.

I don't dislike him.

I don't praise his every move, nor do I assume to interpret what he says to fit my world view.

[Kaputer]

Your ruling out a lot of reasons for people. He's a politician he gets hate it's part of the job.

Ya but last time i checked there wasn't a group on facebook dedicated to say i don't know killing George w. bush? Is there? When hes the idiot who got us into this mess!!!

Bush was a failure, but how was he singularly responsible for all the problems? Please support this claim.

[Underium]

Ya but last time i checked there wasn't a group on facebook dedicated to say i don't know killing George w. bush? Is there? When hes the idiot who got us into this mess!!!

Bush was a failure, but how was he singularly responsible for all the problems? Please support this claim.

First of do you know how much a war costs, let alone two wars, also he was a lying bastard. Remember when he declared that Iraq was making WMD's so we would invade them? Then no WMD's at all!!! All of the things about why we are in Iraq was a lie.

But thats beside the point.

Anyways I did not say he is the only one who got us into this situation, however he did nothing to prevent it when we saw it coming from a mile away, it was a giant bubble and when it popped he made no attempt to stop it. So he didn't cause it but he did nothing to stop it.

[Ashmoria]

disagreeing with the president is FINE. its expected. its patriotic even.

but this lame-ass "whatever the president does, even if its what ive wanted the whole time, it SUCKS" stuff is wrong. the "ohmygod obama hates the UK because of the maumau thing in kenya" is retarded. the constant "is he or isnt he a muslim" stuff is wrong.

Yeah, that stuff is pretty whacked out. I think some of these things happen because he plays his cards so close to the vest. Some folk on the right wonder why a sane person would do what he does and invent even crazier theories.

the stupid disinformation campaign waged so hard by the conservative talk radio shows and fox news makes it impossible to get a true read on what the public wants and what they would think of whatever plan there is if they only got the truth about it.

Be specific, please. Do you believe there are any people of opposing views and good faith on the radio and/or at Fox News? Or do you think they're all political hacks? It's pretty uncharitable and self-limiting to think that all the folk that oppose your philosophical view are evil or crazy.

which doesnt mean that the public would always agree if they knew "the truth" it just means that its impossible to tell when they are worried sick that obamacare means death panels for their elderly relatives.

I'm not going to go into Mathusian fears about the availability of medical treatment for any particular group, it may be there or not, since I haven't read the 2000 page monstrosity. I don't like the idea that I have to buy healthcare insurance simply because I breathe, though.

no i dont think that at this time there are ANY commentators of good faith on the conservative side. the william buckleys of the conservative movement are all gone by. now they are just hacks who fear monger and stake out positions based on "not being what the other side wants".

and again, as to the health care bill, im not saying that i think that if everyone knew "the truth" then everyone would whole heartedly support it. that is impossible in a country this large. but it is impossible to get a true read on how people feel about it because the well has been dirtied and they are up in arms about things that dont exist in the bill--government money for abortions, death panels, jail sentences for not getting insurance.

[ElectTheDead]

For the same reason they hate Bush.

[Gauthier]

For the same reason they hate Bush.

Damn Obama and his Free Speech Zones!

[Kruplyan]

I hate dislike the man cause he's always trying to grab my wallet.

Everyone else? The Dems don't like him cause he has done maybe 10% of what he promised in his campaign. The Republicans for the above reason (and the Dixiecrats because he's black).

[Ashmoria]

I hate dislike the man cause he's always trying to grab my wallet.

Everyone else? The Dems don't like him cause he has done maybe 10% of what he promised in his campaign. The Republicans for the above reason (and the Dixiecrats because he's black).

except that neither of those things are TRUE.

he has given you a tax cut (or if you are rich he has maintained your tax cuts) and he has passed TONS of what he promised and has worked on most of the rest.

the notable exception being closing the guantanamo bay prison.

[Mushet]

To be honest, I've been a lot more frustrated and angry with the Democratic party as a whole than I have been with Obama. He could have been a good president, but his presidency was marred by an indecisive and spineless party that couldn't make use of its majorities.

I also harbor some hate toward Republicans for getting caught up in this Tea Party nonsense and being absolutely uncompromising. Times like these are not a time for for party politics.

This democrat republican bullshit is completely stupid, they're two times of the same coin and all these big arguments are nothing productive, gay marriage barely fucking matters! They can already be together and it's no less of a travesty than vegas marriages , and I don't even see why gays even want to get married that badly, they don't need the putocratic state to legitimize their love. All these arguments are doing is dividing us, creating dissent and distracting us from the fact that the government is playing us like pawns

[Sierra Lobo]

I hate dislike the man cause he's always trying to grab my wallet.

Everyone else? The Dems don't like him cause he has done maybe 10% of what he promised in his campaign. The Republicans for the above reason (and the Dixiecrats because he's black).

except that neither of those things are TRUE.

he has given you a tax cut (or if you are rich he has maintained your tax cuts) and he has passed TONS of what he promised and has worked on most of the rest.

the notable exception being closing the guantanamo bay prison.

he now gave us a tax cut ?.... or did he. It was more like he maintained the status qou because of the repubs

the tons he has promised are things which are watered down or things I really opposed ....

his change is the Status quo.

[Norstal]

Why are there so many people that seem to hate Barrack Obama, and please dont say something along the lines of, "Because he's black."
Personally I like the job Obama is doing, because the economy has gotten better so why?

Because people don't understand how the checks and balances system works.

[The Pope States]

He sucks as a Prez he need to be hanged and i'm not racist i just hate him that much.

[The Pike Dynasty]

Gitmo, continued military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a continuation of the PATRIOT Act, bailing out large corporations...this describes both the Obama and Bush administration.

Change that will make you re-think the definition of "change".

[Ashmoria]

except that neither of those things are TRUE.

he has given you a tax cut (or if you are rich he has maintained your tax cuts) and he has passed TONS of what he promised and has worked on most of the rest.

the notable exception being closing the guantanamo bay prison.

he now gave us a tax cut ?.... or did he. It was more like he maintained the status qou because of the repubs

the tons he has promised are things which are watered down or things I really opposed ....

his change is the Status quo.

no he gave you actual tax cuts.

they were included in the stimulus bill.

[Sapphista]

Obama is one person. If you want to hate anything, hate the government as a whole, since Obama isn't a dictator or monarch.

[Ashmoria]

He sucks as a Prez he need to be hanged and i'm not racist i just hate him that much.

you would seem to not understand the job of president very well if you think that this one has done something worthy of hanging.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

I vote "Present".

[Lerro]

he now gave us a tax cut ?.... or did he. It was more like he maintained the status qou because of the repubs

the tons he has promised are things which are watered down or things I really opposed ....

his change is the Status quo.

no he gave you actual tax cuts.

they were included in the stimulus bill.

Tax credits are not tax cuts.