Why the hate on Obama?

[Los Cabreddes]

Well I don't "hate" him, but I dislike him because (much like Bush actually) he has very little respect for the individual and freedom. He seems to think the entire country is his little toy that he can play around with whenever he wants to set up high speed trains to little cities in Florida that are not major air routes, turn the entire American energy sector in to shiny and spinny things that he can go "oooh-awwweee" to, and bankrupt the country setting up his dream bank and dream car company, while figuring out at what age to kill Grandpa and forcing everyone (even those technically possessing private insurance, a minor technicality in his mind, and favored legislation) in to his idealized "cost effectiveness" scheme where private insurance determines nothing excepts how many ridiculous and stupid freebies a month you get.

Note: Before I gang up too much on Democrats, let us just quickly remember that the "Obamacare" was actually originally thought of by a liberal/fascist/some type of police state brute Republican named Mitt Romney who is the only man who could possibly make me vote for Obama in the general election. Even then, if there's a good third party candidate he's getting my vote. Anyways, I just wanted to point out that Republicans can be evil too!

Also being a dick (along with Mr. Reid) with a GOP H.O.R. that was elected by the people to cut spending, instead of actually taking care of the nuclear crisis.

He also hates Churchill (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... itain.html), and no one who hates Winston Churchill is a friend of mine! Plus he likes to make bizarre lies about American history:

For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.

For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-20/poli ... M:POLITICS

Not exactly kid. One of these days you're just going to have to admit to yourself that self-interest does not always do wrong. That self-interest, within the fair limits of honor, is actually a very good and useful thing that we evolved from our ancestors to have and that does very good things most of the time. Notice I said most. There are numerous theories about the exceptions, I've always preferred the seven deadly sins myself.

Obamas Inaugural address, though well-written, is well enough written to show me every think about Obama I needed to know to not desire to re-elect him! It's a very good speech, it tell us everything we need to know about the man, and also everything we need to know to feel that anyone who willingly and knowingly voted for somebody like Obama should immediately hand in their American passport and move to some faraway place!

[Yootwopia]

I hate Obama because I refuse to acknowledge my complete ineptitude at business and instead attribute all my financial woes to an economy that I believe is performing increasingly worse despite all evidence to the contrary.

Is the economy getting a trillion and a half dollars better this year? Because the US debt (plus a bit of interest) is. If the answer to that is 'no', then the economy is getting much, much worse.

[Ashmoria]

well out of that list.... i suppose the mexican drug cartel one is kinda true....

Are you saying he has reformed Social Security? I'm not saying the others aren't true, but are you saying he's changed Social Security?

no im saying that he MUST NOT reform social security at this point. not fucking with it in a financial crisis (lowering the payroll tax was a mistake) its essential in order to stop the republicans from gutting it,

[Ashmoria]

there is plenty to criticize him for.

when you start with something TRUE we can discuss it.

He has made no effort to reform Medicare and Social Security.

the health care bill dealt with medicare to a small extent.

[Cuban confederacy]

The fact of the matter is he is a great guy, America and a lot of other countrys need to get public health care.

ooh and to the guy that said this
'Sure, it had NOTHING to do with 9/11, and the fact that we supported the Taliban when they pushed the Russians out of Afghanistan, then they turned on us like the two-faced bastards they are.'
your now believing what your country wants you to believe, America was short sighted.
Land of the free that lets tyrants rain as long as it suit American interests?

[Lerro]

He has made no effort to reform Medicare and Social Security.

the health care bill dealt with medicare to a small extent.

Yeah, it cut Medicare and then used the savings to establish another entitlement. Great.

[Ashmoria]

Well I don't "hate" him, but I dislike him because (much like Bush actually) he has very little respect for the individual and freedom. He seems to think the entire country is his little toy that he can play around with whenever he wants to set up high speed trains to little cities in Florida that are not major air routes, turn the entire American energy sector in to shiny and spinny things that he can go "oooh-awwweee" to, and bankrupt the country setting up his dream bank and dream car company, while figuring out at what age to kill Grandpa and forcing everyone (even those technically possessing private insurance, a minor technicality in his mind, and favored legislation) in to his idealized "cost effectiveness" scheme where private insurance determines nothing excepts how many ridiculous and stupid freebies a month you get.

Note: Before I gang up too much on Democrats, let us just quickly remember that the "Obamacare" was actually originally thought of by a liberal/fascist/some type of police state brute Republican named Mitt Romney who is the only man who could possibly make me vote for Obama in the general election. Even then, if there's a good third party candidate he's getting my vote. Anyways, I just wanted to point out that Republicans can be evil too!

Also being a dick (along with Mr. Reid) with a GOP H.O.R. that was elected by the people to cut spending, instead of actually taking care of the nuclear crisis.

He also hates Churchill (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... itain.html), and no one who hates Winston Churchill is a friend of mine! Plus he likes to make bizarre lies about American history:

For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.

For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-20/poli ... M:POLITICS

Not exactly kid. One of these days you're just going to have to admit to yourself that self-interest does not always do wrong. That self-interest, within the fair limits of honor, is actually a very good and useful thing that we evolved from our ancestors to have and that does very good things most of the time. Notice I said most. There are numerous theories about the exceptions, I've always preferred the seven deadly sins myself.

Obamas Inaugural address, though well-written, is well enough written to show me every think about Obama I needed to know to not desire to re-elect him! It's a very good speech, it tell us everything we need to know about the man, and also everything we need to know to feel that anyone who willingly and knowingly voted for somebody like Obama should immediately hand in their American passport and move to some faraway place!

you are not making any sense.

redecorating the office doesnt mean that he hated anything that bush had in it or anyone depicted in any artwork that he decided not to use.

and...what do you have against acknowledging that our forebears had to work hard to make this country?

[Secunderabad]

there is plenty to criticize him for.

when you start with something TRUE we can discuss it.

He has made no effort to reform Medicare and Social Security.

You hate him for that? He still has another two years as president. At least. He may get around to it.

[Los Cabreddes]

you are not making any sense.

redecorating the office doesnt mean that he hated anything that bush had in it or anyone depicted in any artwork that he decided not to use.

Considering how much bad will it created with our friends overseas, I really hope he had stronger feelings then that.

and...what do you have against acknowledging that our forebears had to work hard to make this country?

Nothing. Obama said they did it for US! That's what I have an issue with.

[Los Cabreddes]

The fact of the matter is he is a great guy, America and a lot of other countrys need to get public health care.

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

[Yootwopia]

The fact of the matter is he is a great guy, America and a lot of other countrys need to get public health care.

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

Agreed, what actually needs sorting is an American NHS.

[SunsSon]

The fact of the matter is he is a great guy, America and a lot of other countrys need to get public health care.

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

My boyfriend has a horrible junker CRX that he loves to death (and natural I hate it). BUT, he pays insurance/gas on it knowing full well that if he didn't he could afford health care. He is making an informed decision. And while I find the car stupid its his choice. _{Stupid car.}

[Los Cabreddes]

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

Agreed, what actually needs sorting is an American NHS.

I would agree with that, and I think there are better ways of handling it then eliminating the private sector or the right of consumers not to buy.

[Los Cabreddes]

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

My boyfriend has a horrible junker CRX that he loves to death (and natural I hate it). BUT, he pays insurance/gas on it knowing full well that if he didn't he could afford health care. He is making an informed decision. And while I find the car stupid its his choice. _{Stupid car.}

And you have no right to take away his liberty any more then I have a right to take away your liberty for spending time on NationStates instead of working.

[SunsSon]

My boyfriend has a horrible junker CRX that he loves to death (and natural I hate it). BUT, he pays insurance/gas on it knowing full well that if he didn't he could afford health care. He is making an informed decision. And while I find the car stupid its his choice. _{Stupid car.}

And you have no right to take away his liberty any more then I have a right to take away your liberty for spending time on NationStates instead of working.

I agree. Though I should really get a job.

[Yootwopia]

I would agree with that, and I think there are better ways of handling it then eliminating the private sector or the right of consumers not to buy.

It's either universal or it's not. And it's paid for by tax, so people don't get much of a choice. The private sector can continue to exist, but people shouldn't accept sloppy standards just because they can get private cover as well.

[Ashmoria]

you are not making any sense.

redecorating the office doesnt mean that he hated anything that bush had in it or anyone depicted in any artwork that he decided not to use.

Considering how much bad will it created with our friends overseas, I really hope he had stronger feelings then that.

and...what do you have against acknowledging that our forebears had to work hard to make this country?

Nothing. Obama said they did it for US! That's what I have an issue with.

that still doesnt make any sense.

i doubt that any brit wept over finding out that obama redecorated the oval office without churchill.

and ..... thats a silly dis.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Are you saying he has reformed Social Security? I'm not saying the others aren't true, but are you saying he's changed Social Security?

no im saying that he MUST NOT reform social security at this point. not fucking with it in a financial crisis (lowering the payroll tax was a mistake) its essential in order to stop the republicans from gutting it,

Hi, Ash.

It wouldn't be popular, but that' likely the one thing he could do that I could get behind. As it is, I doubt I'll ever collect and I'm over 50.

[Greengrow]

Why are there so many people that seem to hate Barrack Obama, and please dont say something along the lines of, "Because he's black."
Personally I like the job Obama is doing, because the economy has gotten better so why?

NSG what do you think?

Absolutely no stuff about how hes muslim/ socialist/ illegal/ anything else like that!

cuz he be a no good nigger hur hur hur

(sarcasm for those that think im serious)

[Ashmoria]

no im saying that he MUST NOT reform social security at this point. not fucking with it in a financial crisis (lowering the payroll tax was a mistake) its essential in order to stop the republicans from gutting it,

Hi, Ash.

It wouldn't be popular, but that' likely the one thing he could do that I could get behind. As it is, I doubt I'll ever collect and I'm over 50.

it is a terrible idea to mess with it now.

what are we going to do... collect MORE taxes that will go to other things? cut back on payments so that we never have to pay back the SS taxes we have already stolen?

it does need fixing but its better to wait out this financial crisis so we can think more clearly about what needs to be done.

if you dont collect it will be because the US no longer exists.

[Cuban confederacy]

The fact of the matter is he is a great guy, America and a lot of other countrys need to get public health care.

That doesn't mean such health care has to involve wide-ranging government bureaucracy creating a de facto tyranny of private health care, as the current "efficiency" boards do, or that you have to force people to buy insurance who don't want or, perhaps, don't have the money for it, maybe because they choose to be poor.

last time I checked most people try not to be poor but are dragged back into it by external forces (e.g. crime)

[You-Gi-Owe]

Why are there so many people that seem to hate Barrack Obama, and please dont say something along the lines of, "Because he's black."
Personally I like the job Obama is doing, because the economy has gotten better so why?

NSG what do you think?

Absolutely no stuff about how hes muslim/ socialist/ illegal/ anything else like that!

because it works.

the right/republicans/libertarians have mounted a constant hate campaign and it has had its effect.

Ash,
Ignore the wing-nuts on the right for a bit and imagine that it's just someone who disagrees on many philosophical fronts with the President. Is it "hate" to have that kind of ideas about the man?

[Xsyne]

I hate Obama because I refuse to acknowledge my complete ineptitude at business and instead attribute all my financial woes to an economy that I believe is performing increasingly worse despite all evidence to the contrary.

Is the economy getting a trillion and a half dollars better this year? Because the US debt (plus a bit of interest) is. If the answer to that is 'no', then the economy is getting much, much worse.

My thanks for the convenient segue to my next point, that some people think the US economy is doing poorly because they don't know how the health of an economy is measured.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Hi, Ash.

It wouldn't be popular, but that' likely the one thing he could do that I could get behind. As it is, I doubt I'll ever collect and I'm over 50.

it is a terrible idea to mess with it now.

what are we going to do... collect MORE taxes that will go to other things? cut back on payments so that we never have to pay back the SS taxes we have already stolen?

it does need fixing but its better to wait out this financial crisis so we can think more clearly about what needs to be done.

if you dont collect it will be because the US no longer exists.

The simple thing to do is simply cite that people are living longer on average and therefore the age at which people start collecting SS need to be raised by that much. This would likely slow down the hemoraging of money and maybe be a good start for a fix. Like I said, probably an unpopular move, but I'd respect him for it.

[Xsyne]

no im saying that he MUST NOT reform social security at this point. not fucking with it in a financial crisis (lowering the payroll tax was a mistake) its essential in order to stop the republicans from gutting it,

Hi, Ash.

It wouldn't be popular, but that' likely the one thing he could do that I could get behind. As it is, I doubt I'll ever collect and I'm over 50.

If absolutely nothing changes, Social Security will pay out in full until 2050. Unless you're somehow transmitting information back in time, you're gonna collect.