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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:14 am

I have not revolted yet because I am still within sell-by date and have been kept properly refrigerated.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:18 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I have not revolted yet because I am still within sell-by date and have been kept properly refrigerated.

You can't trust those sell-by dates. Smell test is the only way to be sure.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:19 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:I have not revolted yet because I am still within sell-by date and have been kept properly refrigerated.

You can't trust those sell-by dates. Smell test is the only way to be sure.

And if there is no odour? :p
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Postby The Blood of 999 Goats » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:19 am

I have been spending several hours a day recently aiding the victims of the tsunami in Japan through meditation, karma transferral and positive interaction with the cosmos. It is tiring work however before the tsunami hit I was using the same methods to aid the rebels in the middle east in their plight. I am part of the reason why the rebels in Egypt and Tunisia were successful while those in Libya have begun to falter
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Postby Yootwopia » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:20 am

Kryozerkia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You can't trust those sell-by dates. Smell test is the only way to be sure.

And if there is no odour? :p

It's probably OK.
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Postby French Union » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:24 am

Mhykael wrote:Hypothetical situation here, (for now) Why haven't you personally revolted yet? The world in the state that it is in now is at critical mass. If things don't change soon it's very likely all our countries will get dragged under via a domino effect. This will most likely be caused by the loss of major economies and or over inflation of the surviving economies. Or the straight out loss of the core economic areas of particular countries. (Japan, America and possibly the Middle East.)

So my question is, why haven't you joined the other people who have gathered around the world and have collectively said "f*@( this, if we're going down we're taking you with us." What would it take for you to be that person one day? Are you waiting for the Atomic Bomb? Because in my Opinion that is WAY to late. That's end game theoretically. What would it take for you to fight and take back the Earth for you and the rest of the planet before it's to late?


Nothing would please me more than to see society collapse all together, so I'm certainly not going to revlot in this hypothetical situation for that reason.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:24 am

Kryozerkia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You can't trust those sell-by dates. Smell test is the only way to be sure.

And if there is no odour? :p

It'll probably be fine. Or you'll die horribly, one or the other.

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Postby Andaluciae » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:17 am

Mhykael wrote:Hypothetical situation here, (for now) Why haven't you personally revolted yet? The world in the state that it is in now is at critical mass. If things don't change soon it's very likely all our countries will get dragged under via a domino effect. This will most likely be caused by the loss of major economies and or over inflation of the surviving economies. Or the straight out loss of the core economic areas of particular countries. (Japan, America and possibly the Middle East.)

So my question is, why haven't you joined the other people who have gathered around the world and have collectively said "f*@( this, if we're going down we're taking you with us." What would it take for you to be that person one day? Are you waiting for the Atomic Bomb? Because in my Opinion that is WAY to late. That's end game theoretically. What would it take for you to fight and take back the Earth for you and the rest of the planet before it's to late?

Because there are substantial means of legal and political recourse--not to mention, the system works reasonably well.
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Postby DaWoad » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:30 am

We have this thing called democracy, I can revolt by voting for someone else.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:32 am

DaWoad wrote:We have this thing called democracy, I can revolt by voting for someone else.

Oh my God! How do you do that?!
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Postby Radictistan » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:37 am

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Postby Terraius » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:38 am

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Postby DaWoad » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:39 am

Norstal wrote:
DaWoad wrote:We have this thing called democracy, I can revolt by voting for someone else.

Oh my God! How do you do that?!

I know! it's such a novel idea
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Postby Craigosh » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:44 am

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Postby Alexiandra » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:45 am

Mhykael wrote:Hypothetical situation here, (for now) Why haven't you personally revolted yet? The world in the state that it is in now is at critical mass. If things don't change soon it's very likely all our countries will get dragged under via a domino effect. This will most likely be caused by the loss of major economies and or over inflation of the surviving economies. Or the straight out loss of the core economic areas of particular countries. (Japan, America and possibly the Middle East.)

So my question is, why haven't you joined the other people who have gathered around the world and have collectively said "f*@( this, if we're going down we're taking you with us." What would it take for you to be that person one day? Are you waiting for the Atomic Bomb? Because in my Opinion that is WAY to late. That's end game theoretically. What would it take for you to fight and take back the Earth for you and the rest of the planet before it's to late?

Almost confused me as much as the Architect's speech in the Matrix Reloaded
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Postby Terraius » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:46 am

The pope hasnt told me too yet. So.
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Postby The Atlantean Menace » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:51 am

Terraius wrote:The pope hasnt told me too yet. So.



I KNEW IT!

No, but seriously, I haven't revolted yet because a one man revolt doesn't do much but get you thrown in jail for assaulting an officer.

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Postby Gallavon » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:01 pm

After reading your question, I absolutely had to respond, which meant reading through all the thread, so... I'm now able to blame you for not getting to my English essay.

Anyways, I'm very strongly against the idea of revolting. I haven't revolted because revolutions don't work.

I can't think of a single example in history where you had a successful revolution. Society can't take drastic, instant change. Any case of shifting things too far, too fast simply ends in a bloody backlash, followed by a few steps backward. Think about the French Revolution, you start with a king, and after a lot of lopped off heads your democracy falls (a couple times?), and the civil strife only really stops when you get an Emperor in power.

And because I know someone will mention it, you can't really count the American one, they already had the infrastructure and administrative systems in place, the only thing that changed was who was getting the tax money. And even then, that was plenty bloody.

What does work is gradual change, slowly getting people to progress, generation by generation. Disrupting that with a revolution will only set back the rate of progress.

Besides, firebombing people doesn't make them inclined to side with your beliefs.
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Postby Mhykael » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:01 pm

Gallavon wrote:After reading your question, I absolutely had to respond, which meant reading through all the thread, so... I'm now able to blame you for not getting to my English essay.

Anyways, I'm very strongly against the idea of revolting. I haven't revolted because revolutions don't work.

I can't think of a single example in history where you had a successful revolution. Society can't take drastic, instant change. Any case of shifting things too far, too fast simply ends in a bloody backlash, followed by a few steps backward. Think about the French Revolution, you start with a king, and after a lot of lopped off heads your democracy falls (a couple times?), and the civil strife only really stops when you get an Emperor in power.

And because I know someone will mention it, you can't really count the American one, they already had the infrastructure and administrative systems in place, the only thing that changed was who was getting the tax money. And even then, that was plenty bloody.

What does work is gradual change, slowly getting people to progress, generation by generation. Disrupting that with a revolution will only set back the rate of progress.

Besides, firebombing people doesn't make them inclined to side with your beliefs.

Actually, I came back and read the whole thread. Sorry if the beginning posts sounded emo. I was not in a good mood after having this discussion with someone else.

Pretty much what I'm hearing is, It's a bad idea, It's not the right time, I'm to lazy..etc. as a general synopsis.

So the next logical question I guess to ask would be if it's not a good idea then what's a better idea? Voting doesn't work because regardless of what political spectrum you fall under the political parties are generally so polarizing that the government is either going to gorge itself giving away benefits and welfare or get a nasty disorder where by it stops almost all "non-essential" funding, which ends up being essential and causing problems also.

Secondly, The time frames most people are giving are only when the "post-apocalyptic scenarios happen will I give a shit. Well to be honest, if those scenarios happen, it's very unlikely humans will survive. We're not the Hunter/Gather tribes people we once were and the few that are still around will either die from the radiation,zombies or the fact we just messed up there ecology system. Why can't you care enough for yourself and future generations before those things happen? Which brings me to the third part.

I'm sorry being lazy isn't an excuse for letting yourself, your family, or other people die in those situations. Maybe I am to angst ridden to care about other people. Maybe hypothetically I don't care if we all die, because I do hear stuff like that all the time. What's it matter if I'm angst ridden about your laziness, technically we'd both end up dead. So what do you care?

(Btw, I'm not really angst ridden about all of this. I'm just concerned that we have let ourselves fall to a point that we don't care anymore what happens. I'm concerned because I have a genuine love for not just our country but the world and the shit that goes on in it. I just feel like other people don't particularly need to be as concerned but should at least be worried about their own general well being and the well being of other people around them, and I'm not seeing that anymore on a whole.)

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Postby Angleter » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:30 pm

Mhykael wrote:Hypothetical situation here, (for now) Why haven't you personally revolted yet? The world in the state that it is in now is at critical mass. If things don't change soon it's very likely all our countries will get dragged under via a domino effect. This will most likely be caused by the loss of major economies and or over inflation of the surviving economies. Or the straight out loss of the core economic areas of particular countries. (Japan, America and possibly the Middle East.)

So my question is, why haven't you joined the other people who have gathered around the world and have collectively said "f*@( this, if we're going down we're taking you with us." What would it take for you to be that person one day? Are you waiting for the Atomic Bomb? Because in my Opinion that is WAY to late. That's end game theoretically. What would it take for you to fight and take back the Earth for you and the rest of the planet before it's to late?


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Postby Mushet » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:40 pm

My mom would kill me, first I will become self sufficent then the revolution under me will begin
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Postby Gallavon » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:31 am

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong, I'm not exactly all-knowing, but from what I've figured out through thinking about, the only real way to get change is to change the mindset of the people.

... Which you can probably guess, is really hard. The top-down method doesn't really work. Words like "propaganda" and "brainwashing" spring to mind. Lots of negative connotations. Ultimately, it seems we have to live with just going out there and trying to convince people to see things the way we see it, and slowly but surely, if people try, we can get a society that is a little bit nicer to eachother, and down the road, we will see a better world.

It is worth stressing that zealous or evangelical preaching of ideals won't help here. If someone comes in your face and starts pushing something on you, you'll fight it even if they're making really good points. We just need to be casual about it, guide people to the answers, not give it to them. ... Which is hard. That's why people don't do it. Thus the laziness issue. So we have to decide, is it worth it to get off our asses in the name of a better world? I think it is.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:35 am

Imsogone wrote:I'm already revolting. Why do I need to carry it to the streets?

^This :p

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Postby FREEaquaticdancelesson » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:35 am

How the FUCK is the United States ever gonna revolt? They'll kill the SHIT out of me.
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Treason carries some pretty harsh sentences and the conditions aren't bad enough to die or be imprisoned for revolting.
I'll just.... vote, and maybe protest.
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Postby Unicario » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:36 am

I don't think I want a revolution in my homeland.

I happen to like the Chrysanthemum Throne, and I like the Japanese Diet.

We don't need a President.

...now, in the U.S.? Yes. I think we need a revolt.
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