New thoughts on Sexuality (in humans)

[Roman Cilicia]

I take HUGE offense that you put me -- a homosexual -- in the class of rapists and child molesters. I think we might as well begin the sterilization of every Catholic, because, ya' know, all those Catholic priests are raping those little boys.

It's still deviancy.

[Ursiroth]

CHEMICAL CASTRATION FOR CONVICTED PEDOPHILES YES.
(that is, pre-pubescent pedophilia)

Otherwise, trollin' trollin' trollin', keep them trolls a trollin'

Where do you draw the line?

What if they're attracted to just slightly pubescent children?

Either castrate all deviants or none of them.

Then let it include pre pubescent and pubescent children. Not post-pubescent, because the legal age varies from country to country.
It's the only sexual "deviancy" that's criminal. Maybe bestiality, too. Castrate the dog rapists. Human rape is assault and far more violent than it is sexual, so that doesn't count. Maybe castration it would still be a good punishment.
The line is the victims, sir. Other sexual behaviours have no victims, so no one is hurt and no one should be punished.

[Blahem]

I take HUGE offense that you put me -- a homosexual -- in the class of rapists and child molesters. I think we might as well begin the sterilization of every Catholic, because, ya' know, all those Catholic priests are raping those little boys.

It's still deviancy.

Homosexuality is deviancy? From what?

[Roman Cilicia]

If it turns out someone cried rape, would you try and glue it back on?

Its not illegal to be a homosexual, its not going to be, they wont want to be neutered, they cant be forced into it, it wont actually stop them being attarcted to the same sex, love is not produced 'from down there.' mentioning homosexuals in this thread is nothing but troll sir!

Same problem with child porno's, though i doubt love has anything to do with it.

no idea what a furrie is, not going to google it, but sounds cool!

I think Uganda or Libya might pass something like this soon. If gaddafi and jong-il survive until I learn Arabic, that is.

[UCUMAY]

Serializing doens't stop sexual urges

Oh yes it does. Hormones are produced in the genital system and removing said system gets rid of the hormone's.

That is not completely correct Roman.... Otherwise older people wouldn't have libidos.

There is debate, however, over the effectiveness of castration. Although such drugs as Depo-Provera and Depo-Lupron can help control some sexual disorders, they may not control, for example, a violent serial rapist who targets adult women out of anger and a need for control. The drugs can also have serious side effects. And there is concern that castrated sex offenders might replenish their testosterone by injecting hormones purchased illegally or over the Internet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 60_pf.html

In 2009, one of us (Christine Webber) conducted a survey among women aged 45-65. The findings showed that in that age group 26 per cent of women were definitely up for sex, while 29 per cent ‘quite liked it’. Only 6 per cent were not at all keen, and 16 per cent said that they’d be more interested if they had a new partner!

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/womenshealth ... opause.htm

[Wilgrove]

What if the government want to castrate you base on your skin color, eye color, or hair color? What if they want to castrate you because you're handicapped or crippled? Where do YOU draw the line?

I don't.

I wouldn't mind having members of the overbreeding minorities castrated, at least temporarily, but that's not the subject of this discussion and I don't like going off on cosines.

Mein Führer, wird, wer wir casrate zuerst. Die Neger, oder die Verkrüppelung?

[Sociobiology]

I take HUGE offense that you put me -- a homosexual -- in the class of rapists and child molesters. I think we might as well begin the sterilization of every Catholic, because, ya' know, all those Catholic priests are raping those little boys.

It's still deviancy.

so is monogomy

[Distruzio]

So I've been reading the "traditional life" and "family urges" threads recently, which have made me question my beliefs and really take a new look at things.

I gave this a lot of thought today in particular, and after much internal debate I came up with a solution that I think would be acceptable to all:

Sterilization.

Ok I know this is a bit controversial but just bear with me for a second.

So we all know that negligent and abusive parents are a major problem. If we lobbied the government to mandatorially sterilize them, then that problem would be solved. Fathers, mothers, child babysitters, grannies etc. would all be without their horrible urges.

Also, I know that the medical community is clamoring for the right to dissect cadavers now, we could placate them by giving them all the lobbed-off dicks balls and vaginas to study!

As an added bonus, with all the genital dissecting that would be going on, the scientists might finally find a cure for all these parental styling differences and then all the people that are currently deviant would be made normal again.

It's killing three birds with one stone! Who's with me?

Much better now. Honestly. I couldn't ever imagine ignoring or abusing my child. And since the relative minority of parents are poor parents in comparison to my personal assessment of my skills (especially b/c I do not suffer from the imperfection manifested in parenthood), I propose we eliminate the problem altogether.

Just as there exists a relative few homosexuals who destroy relationships and hate themselves, there exists a relative few parents who destroy relationships and hate themselves. Therefore it is perfectly logical to lobby for legislation that will forever eliminate the random instances of parental abuse by sterilizing the entire parent community.

I should get a friggin Nobel prize for this.

[Roman Cilicia]

Where do you draw the line?

What if they're attracted to just slightly pubescent children?

Either castrate all deviants or none of them.

Then let it include pre pubescent and pubescent children. Not post-pubescent, because the legal age varies from country to country.
It's the only sexual "deviancy" that's criminal. Maybe bestiality, too. Castrate the dog rapists. Human rape is assault and far more violent than it is sexual, so that doesn't count. Maybe castration it would still be a good punishment.
The line is the victims, sir. Other sexual behaviours have no victims, so no one is hurt and no one should be punished.

At what age or physical benchmark do you draw the line?

[Coccygia]

What if the government want to castrate you base on your skin color, eye color, or hair color? What if they want to castrate you because you're handicapped or crippled? Where do YOU draw the line?

I don't.

I wouldn't mind having members of the overbreeding minorities castrated, at least temporarily, but that's not the subject of this discussion and I don't like going off on cosines.

Oh, double-troll.

[Ursiroth]

It's still deviancy.

Homosexuality is deviancy? From what?

The norm!
Some people are afraid of different.

[Roman Cilicia]

It's still deviancy.

Homosexuality is deviancy? From what?

The norm. Seriously are you asking me this quesition? Read St. Augustine or Boethius once if you really want to know.

[Blahem]

If it turns out someone cried rape, would you try and glue it back on?

Its not illegal to be a homosexual, its not going to be, they wont want to be neutered, they cant be forced into it, it wont actually stop them being attarcted to the same sex, love is not produced 'from down there.' mentioning homosexuals in this thread is nothing but troll sir!

Same problem with child porno's, though i doubt love has anything to do with it.

no idea what a furrie is, not going to google it, but sounds cool!

I think Uganda or Libya might pass something like this soon. If gaddafi and jong-il survive until I learn Arabic, that is.

Well, you've heard right. Have you also heard that many governments are threatening to cut all trade with Uganda if they pass it?

[Ursiroth]

Then let it include pre pubescent and pubescent children. Not post-pubescent, because the legal age varies from country to country.
It's the only sexual "deviancy" that's criminal. Maybe bestiality, too. Castrate the dog rapists. Human rape is assault and far more violent than it is sexual, so that doesn't count. Maybe castration it would still be a good punishment.
The line is the victims, sir. Other sexual behaviours have no victims, so no one is hurt and no one should be punished.

At what age or physical benchmark do you draw the line?

Puberty. Did I not already say that? Finish puberty and you're good to go.

[Avenio]

Oh yes it does. Hormones are produced in the genital system and removing said system gets rid of the hormone's.

Depends on the procedure involved. If you're advocating giving sex offenders vasectomies, then that won't have any effect on hormone production. Castration, on the other hand, would. Both are 'sterilization', seeing as neither can have children, but you never specified in the OP. You can see where the issue comes in, yes?

Oh they do, comrade, they do.

Ever read Clockwork Orange?

I could dredge up the psychologists' reports, maybe in a bit though.

Aggression is affected by hormones, yes. But they're certainly not manufactured solely in the testes; the hypothalamus, periaqueductal gray and amygdala in the brain have a large role to play in aggression as well. Not to mention that many sexual offenders and other violent criminals have genuine psychological disorders, and it is nigh-barbaric to resort to such measures as a 'one-size-fits-all' solution.

EDIT: Found a better word for what I was describing.

[Roman Cilicia]

I don't.

I wouldn't mind having members of the overbreeding minorities castrated, at least temporarily, but that's not the subject of this discussion and I don't like going off on cosines.

Mein Führer, wird, wer wir casrate zuerst. Die Neger, oder die Verkrüppelung?

Just all the curly-haired people. At least temporarily, we might reverse it at some point.

[Roman Cilicia]

It's still deviancy.

so is monogomy

Personally I approve of polygamy, but that's going off on a cotangent.

[Wilgrove]

Homosexuality is deviancy? From what?

The norm. Seriously are you asking me this quesition? Read St. Augustine or Boethius once if you really want to know.

Who the Hel decides what normal anyways? Normals suck, and being normal is boring.

EMBRACE THE DIVERSITY OF LIFE!

[Blahem]

Homosexuality is deviancy? From what?

The norm. Seriously are you asking me this quesition? Read St. Augustine or Boethius once if you really want to know.

The NORM of what? Your Bible?

Your ignorance is showing. Apparently you've forgotten that homosexuality part of nature.

Apparently, you're a deviant too if you're not Chinese. Because, 1/6 person is a Chinese citizen.

[Roman Cilicia]

Well, you've heard right. Have you also heard that many governments are threatening to cut all trade with Uganda if they pass it?

Seriously? Is homosex really that important to our politicians? lol

[Conserative Morality]

The norm. Seriously are you asking me this quesition? Read St. Augustine or Boethius once if you really want to know.

Red Hair is deviancy from the norm. Castrate.

Racism is deviancy from the norm. Castrate.

Etc.

[Thalosind]

First off, thank you for the nice welcome, Roman Cilicia. I too think it was a great first post. Just to get this straight, however, I do not have any problem with trolling, as long as it is done in a sensible way; neither would I have a problem with this being your actual opinion, due to me thinking of myself as a tolerant person. But please, if you want to make a political statement or perform some lulzy trolling, think before you post. It has been pointed out several times now: sterilizing does NOT stop the production of testosterone in males and thus doesn't annihilate ones libido. Instead it simply makes sure the ejaculate does not contain any virile sperm. So, sterilizing a rapist/furry/homosexual/pedophile/anything-else-that-doesn't-fit-in-a-nice-neocon-suburb would simply make them that. Sterile. Inable to reproduce. Castration however, would at least take away their sex drive and render them impotent. So, if you want to make a point, why not do some research first?

tl;dr HURR DURR IM ARGUING SEMANTICS WITH YOU

[Blahem]

Well, you've heard right. Have you also heard that many governments are threatening to cut all trade with Uganda if they pass it?

Seriously? Is homosex really that important to our politicians? lol

No, but human rights are.

[UCUMAY]

so is monogomy

Personally I approve of polygamy, but that's going off on a cotangent.

Polygamy that is male based? If so then you're sexist... *nods*

[Roman Cilicia]

At what age or physical benchmark do you draw the line?

Puberty. Did I not already say that? Finish puberty and you're good to go.

At what point do you consider puberty finished? Recent research suggests it continues up into the late teens (18, 19)