Wait the Innocent are getting punished?

[Grave_n_idle]

This

Ok, who here has actually been bullied? Also, I said he got off light, because a body slam onto concrete could've been alot worse. Your brain is basically suspended in fluid, and a body slam like that could've easy caused a concussion or worse. It could've also severed the spine, or snapped the neck. Like I said, the kid got off light.

*Raises Hand*

Continuously, over many, many years.

I had the disadvantage of being considerably taller than other kids my age, and - as such, whenever there was a fight, it didn't matter who started it, if I fought, I got in trouble. Insults and teasing don't bother me, but bullying is a systematic approach, and bullies will work up to the limit you'll endure of physical discomfort or violence, and maintain that mechanism for as long as they are allowed.

External forces, like teachers, are rarely useful. Like I said, in my case, appealing to external forces actually had the exact opposite effect. Most of the time, there's little impact, anyway, since most bullying takes place where it can't be seen by authority figures.

I was bullied for several years, getting in fights on an almost daily basis, until I finally snapped and began responding disproportionately. I fully expected to be suspended or expelled, based on previous experience, and I finally decided I didn't care.


In all likelihood, the bullying in the OP is one instance of a continuous pattern of abuse. People should bear that in mind when they consider whether the response was excessive or not.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

I was bullied but apparently had a weird experience with it. Adults and avoidance were my best ways of dealing with them, standing up to 5-7 people who were all bigger than you only resulted in an ass-kicking.

Yes, that's weird. Supportive adults who give a shit are a strange thing for kids to encounter.

When confronted by groups I'd flee and wait for one of them to be alone later. Even if they beat me up a few times, when I struck back when they weren't backed by friends suddenly kids didn't want to play rough anymore.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

I see no attempt by large kid to walk away at any point prior to releasing the rage so i'm happy enough with a punishment.

Did you see a teacher? That's what I really want to know. Where are the teachers? Are they getting coffee? Boinking in the supply closet? Where are they?!

[Planeta de los Muertos]

Casey Wins...Flawless Victory.

I guess his next opponent is...a jail inmate Jax!

[Grave_n_idle]

I see no attempt by large kid to walk away at any point prior to releasing the rage so i'm happy enough with a punishment.

Back through the wall?

Turn his back on opportunistic violence?

Tell me you spoke without thinking.

[Zanazbar]

When someone tried to bully me I kicked him in the stomach and Pedigree'd him on the gym floor. It hurt my knees a bit.

[Sorratsin]

I was bullied but apparently had a weird experience with it. Adults and avoidance were my best ways of dealing with them, standing up to 5-7 people who were all bigger than you only resulted in an ass-kicking.

You definitely seem to have had a different experience. It is fortunate that you had adults willing, or present to intervene, and that avoidance worked for you. Still, a shame that you had to go out of your way to avoid potential bullying. Students should be able to just go to school and learn without fear of bullies.

Yes they should, but I don't think giving them permission to attack anyone as long as it's self defense is the answer, if for no other reason than bullies are very good at manipulating people, especially provoking them to violence. Also a lot of kids just aren't able fight back against bullies.

My ultimate solution to bullying was changing school, which may not be possible or desirable for everyone but it has to be better than just letting kids wail on each other.

[Grave_n_idle]

I see no attempt by large kid to walk away at any point prior to releasing the rage so i'm happy enough with a punishment.

Did you see a teacher? That's what I really want to know. Where are the teachers? Are they getting coffee? Boinking in the supply closet? Where are they?!

I'd imagine that schools that can be actively patrolled with decent coverage are pretty rare. And you have to bear in mind, that bullies will pick locations and times that suit their choice. If they know it's unlikely that teachers will be supervising the bathroom during recess, that's where the bullying will take place.

[HiveMind Primus]

I as a child was bullied everday for two years, the sad truth is the school systems lack the balls to punish the bullies as they should be. Here follows the list of my attempts to get it to stop.

1: School channels (Teachers etc) This went on for six months...doesnt work.
2: Fighting back I can take one guy on one guy but when its five or so versus one....the scales don't tilt the way you want. (Was bed bound for a week due to injury)
3: Ignore it. DIDNT WORK
4: I set him and his buddies up, waiting for after school and tricked them into an area and me and m favourite baseball bat had a nice talk with them. (Dont worry didnt hit anyone just a firm talk)
5: When all the above failed I waited till out of school grounds let them beat me down and called 999 (UK Emergency number)
All of the bullies were charged with assualt and various other charges....I was from that point untouchable and never bullied again.

All the time this was happening I kept an incident diary for recording attacks etc and had the school staff sign it to validate it and was used in court.

Now as an officer of the law in training, I look back and think of would I would do differntly........I think I did what I could. The kid did what he saw was his only option, now living in Australia Im sad to say the bulling is a major problem whereever you go.

[Grave_n_idle]

Back through the wall?

Turn his back on opportunistic violence?

Tell me you spoke without thinking.

Yes there's no massive corridor to his right to back away whilst facing them.

I guess that means you 'thought' about it first?

That's a little sad.

[The Alma Mater]

Does anyone know what happened to the piece of shit that was filming it all with his encouraging comments ? Suspended as well I hope ?

[Zanazbar]

I as a child was bullied everday for two years, the sad truth is the school systems lack the balls to punish the bullies as they should be. Here follows the list of my attempts to get it to stop.

1: School channels (Teachers etc) This went on for six months...doesnt work.
2: Fighting back I can take one guy on one guy but when its five or so versus one....the scales don't tilt the way you want. (Was bed bound for a week due to injury)
3: Ignore it. DIDNT WORK
4: I set him and his buddies up, waiting for after school and tricked them into an area and me and m favourite baseball bat had a nice talk with them. (Dont worry didnt hit anyone just a firm talk)
5: When all the above failed I waited till out of school grounds let them beat me down and called 999 (UK Emergency number)
All of the bullies were charged with assualt and various other charges....I was from that point untouchable and never bullied again.

All the time this was happening I kept an incident diary for recording attacks etc and had the school staff sign it to validate it and was used in court.

Now as an officer of the law in training, I look back and think of would I would do differntly........I think I did what I could. The kid did what he saw was his only option, now living in Australia Im sad to say the bulling is a major problem whereever you go.

You should've hit a home run on their heads.

[Xarithis]

That makes you the second person I know of to resolve an issue by stabbing someone with a pencil. It must be the pointiness.

Yeah. The pointiness adds to the pencil's appeal.

Interestingly, I didn't get in trouble for that, either.

[Grave_n_idle]

I guess that means you 'thought' about it first?

That's a little sad.

I see what you did there. I'll come back later and see if you have anything more substantial.

No, I'm being serious. Faced with calculated systematic acts of violence, you chose to blame the victim.

Worse, you claim that was your considered opinion.

I gave you a chance to disown it, and you opted to reinforce it. To me, that's actually unhappy-making. It's literally sad.

[Zanazbar]

That makes you the second person I know of to resolve an issue by stabbing someone with a pencil. It must be the pointiness.

Yeah. The pointiness adds to the pencil's appeal.

Interestingly, I didn't get in trouble for that, either.

Pencils < Textbooks < Lunchroom Forks < Scissors

[Xarithis]

Yeah. The pointiness adds to the pencil's appeal.

Interestingly, I didn't get in trouble for that, either.

Pencils < Textbooks < Lunchroom Forks < Scissors

Scissors < Assault Rifle

It all comes down to what you have access to at the time. Though, scissors are possibly going too far.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

You definitely seem to have had a different experience. It is fortunate that you had adults willing, or present to intervene, and that avoidance worked for you. Still, a shame that you had to go out of your way to avoid potential bullying. Students should be able to just go to school and learn without fear of bullies.

Yes they should, but I don't think giving them permission to attack anyone as long as it's self defense is the answer, if for no other reason than bullies are very good at manipulating people, especially provoking them to violence. Also a lot of kids just aren't able fight back against bullies.

My ultimate solution to bullying was changing school, which may not be possible or desirable for everyone but it has to be better than just letting kids wail on each other.

It really isn't the optimal solution, you're right about that. In my case all other possible solutions had been exhausted. Teachers had been made aware of the bullying, but without ever having seen it themselves, didn't know what to do about it. As Grave just said above, bullies will often pick a time or place where teachers aren't nearby.

I got lucky once in that I dropped my backpack to get away while being chased after school, and the backpack happened to trip the boys chasing me. Another time, wherein I had foolishly decided that teasing must be how you made friends and said something that helped me to realize belatedly I thought wrong, resulted in a good 80% of my class chasing me around the school yard. Fortunately one classmate decided she didn't like my odds and helped me run to a teacher who was located clear on the other side of the school. The final time was where I was being treated like a dog, being told to go "fetch" the ball that had just bounced across the yard. When I refused, the bully in question began pushing me and kicking me. I strained to look for a teacher or a way out, but I was surrounded without a teacher in sight. Finally, I didn't even think, really. My mind just went blank, I closed my eyes, and started swinging away. I even remember hearing one of the girl's saying, "I can't believe she's finally standing up for herself", as if that was the goal all along. It wasn't until I realized the bully wasn't hitting back that I opened my eyes and was horrified to see blood dripping down her jacket. Fists still in the air, I immediately apologized I was so upset. It scared me honestly. It was not how I wanted things to go, but thankfully that was the end of bullying for me.

And you're right. Changing schools is not always an option, but I am glad it worked for you.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Pencils < Textbooks < Lunchroom Forks < Scissors

Scissors < Assault Rifle

It all comes down to what you have access to at the time. Though, scissors are possibly going too far.

Stab a kid with a pencil you're a hero, stab him with scissors you're a felon.

[Risottia]

As for the bullying problem, TBH this may be the only way to stop school bullying. Running to the teachers, administrators, whatever doesn't work. In School Suspension, School Suspension, Detention etc. doesn't work. Honestly I would recommend parents who has kids who are victims of bullying to teach them some form of martial arts, and to teach them to only use it in self defense. Let the bully try to get a few shots in, block his attempts and if he doesn't let him, punch him.

As Cornelius Fudge said to the Muggle Prime Minister: "The problem is that the other side can do magic, too".

Bullies also can get martial arts lessons. And maybe from someone who doesn't mind teaching them to use MA only in self defense. And since generally bullies enjoy winning brawls and using violence, they're going to have the upper hand anyway.
Permanent expulsion of the bullies is the way to go, I'm afraid. That and community service.

[The Western Reaches]

I watched it and was like: "Aaaaaaaaaand VENGEANCE."

He really pulled that move off perfectly, so well that you know that scrawny douchebag felt it for many mornings afterwards.

If you get suspended for pile-driving a guy who punched you multiple times in the face then something is wrong. Sure he could've told the teacher so that they could slap the bully on the wrist and lecture him about his behaviour, but we all know that never works.

[Grave_n_idle]

Should the target of that aggression be punished for acting disproportionately and without attempts to stop the attack by leaving the area? Yes..

You have nothing to say that I care to hear.

[Republicke]

Clearly his response wasn't proportionate to that one act. But if that kid (or his group) had been bullying him for years/months (his entire time at highschool according to the article, however long that may be) then it's totally understandable. One could also argue, given his age and such, he didn't know that what he was doing would cause so much damage - if I was grappling someone and then dropped them or whatever, I'd have literally no idea (at that age) what was 'gonna happen.

In any case, the bully who was hurt seems to be mercifully fine. A broken leg maybe, but pretty lucky actually. Give Casey Heynes a punishment for lack of proportion, give the bully a token punishment (to show that he did do something wrong, but also appreciating that in reality he got his dues and then some), and put a line under the issue.

[Victorious Decepticons]

I watched it and was like: "Aaaaaaaaaand VENGEANCE."

He really pulled that move off perfectly, so well that you know that scrawny douchebag felt it for many mornings afterwards.

If you get suspended for pile-driving a guy who punched you multiple times in the face then something is wrong. Sure he could've told the teacher so that they could slap the bully on the wrist and lecture him about his behaviour, but we all know that never works.

This.

The suspension is bull, but worth it. The bigger kid should consider it an investment.

[Republicke]

I watched it and was like: "Aaaaaaaaaand VENGEANCE."

He really pulled that move off perfectly, so well that you know that scrawny douchebag felt it for many mornings afterwards.

If you get suspended for pile-driving a guy who punched you multiple times in the face then something is wrong. Sure he could've told the teacher so that they could slap the bully on the wrist and lecture him about his behaviour, but we all know that never works.

This.

The suspension is bull, but worth it. The bigger kid should consider it an investment.

Maybe he will be head-hunted by a Mr Miyagi-style trainer in the American Wrestling Association, or get a cameo in WWE?

Man, if only life was an indie movie... He could travel around India (at the request of a wealthy and eccentric Indian billionaire) to give talks and demonstrations at local schools about how to deal with bullying. And become a subcontinental icon. It could utilize magical realism, so any opponents he has take on the guise of characters from Mortal Kombat.

[The Western Reaches]

This.

The suspension is bull, but worth it. The bigger kid should consider it an investment.

Maybe he will be head-hunted by a Mr Miyagi-style trainer in the American Wrestling Association, or get a cameo in WWE?

Man, if only life was an indie movie... He could travel around India (at the request of a wealthy and eccentric Indian billionaire) to give talks and demonstrations at local schools about how to deal with bullying. And become a subcontinental icon. It could utilize magical realism, so any opponents he has take on the guise of characters from Mortal Kombat.

I think he invented a new move too: "The Casey Slapdown".