Homosexuality

[Greater Americania]

If they were against the Nazis, why didn't they fight and sacrifice like the rest of the world?

Three things:

1) Germans had a grip on Italy.

2) Italy would be instantly wiped out.

3) Mussolini actually wanted to retire by the end of the war. Hitler made him maintain himself as the head of the ISR. Hitler threatened to raze the Northern Italian cities of Milan, Turin, and Genoa should he refuse. Mussolini did what he did to save the lives of his people. See history relating to the Gran Sasso Raid.

[Saint Clair Island]

Exactly. Why should we deny polygamists the right to marry more than one person?

Legal problems concerning divorce.

I'm sure a new field of law would arise to interpret those legal problems if polygamous marriage became legal or even the norm.

[No Names Left Damn It]

This is one of the best things I've read on a homosexual thread in a long time.

No it's not, seeing as you don't choose who you're attracted to. Is that fucking HARD to understand?

[No Names Left Damn It]

if gay marriage is allowed then who are we to deny polygamists the right to marry more than one person?

Good question. What exactly is wrong with Polygamy?

[Buffett and Colbert]

If they were against the Nazis, why didn't they fight and sacrifice like the rest of the world?

Three things:

1) Germans had a grip on Italy.

2) Italy would be instantly wiped out.

3) Mussolini actually wanted to retire by the end of the war. Hitler made him maintain himself as the head of the ISR. Hitler threatened to raze the Northern Italian cities of Milan, Turin, and Genoa should he refuse. Mussolini did what he did to save the lives of his people. See history relating to the Gran Sasso Raid.

And what makes Italy any different from the numerous countries that had the balls to stand and fight even though they were wiped out themselves?

[Shutupsville]

2. I have yet to see a study that proves that once someone is gay they are permanantly gay. Discriminating against the color of someone's skin is different because they can't change that (except for Michael Jackson). When it comes to gays many people (myself included) belive it to be a choice and it is not discrimination to deny people something because of a choice.

Why would you want to change who you are? What if your religion wasn't the norm and people wanted you to change what you believed in, how you think, who you are. Think about that before you ask other people to do the same.

[Greater Americania]

No, but if a leader can't even do the bare minimum of ensuring a stable society, he's not a good leader.

True and in the beginning years of Mussolini's rule he did. However in the case relating to the later years of his rule, there was an exception. He was occupied by a foreign army. He was occupied by them because his nation was in danger of being invaded because the Germans had lost North Africa and because he was allied with them. He was allied with them largely because if he didn't side with them they would swiftly take over. He did what he did because he had absolutely no choice.

[No Names Left Damn It]

THREAD ISN'T ABOUT MUSSOLINI!

[Lixerabitus]

No, but if a leader can't even do the bare minimum of ensuring a stable society, he's not a good leader.

True and in the beginning years of Mussolini's rule he did. However in the case relating to the later years of his rule, there was an exception. He was occupied by a foreign army. He was occupied by them because his nation was in danger of being invaded because the Germans had lost North Africa and because he was allied with them. He was allied with them largely because if he didn't side with them they would swiftly take over. He did what he did because he had absolutely no choice.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_countries_did_Germany_occupy_in_World_War_2

[Saint Clair Island]

This is one of the best things I've read on a homosexual thread in a long time.

No it's not, seeing as you don't choose who you're attracted to. Is that fucking HARD to understand?

But my gay friend complimented a woman once! Clearly he's decided to go straight again!

[Greater Americania]

And what makes Italy any different from the numerous countries that had the balls to stand and fight even though they were wiped out themselves?

It wasn't in the best interests of Italy to fight with Germany. Germany's backing gave Italy immense power. If they didn't side with Germany they risked losing their empire as well as their beneficial economy.

[Greater Americania]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_countries_did_Germany_occupy_in_World_War_2

? Italy was on that list.

[Conserative Morality]

It wasn't in the best interests of Italy to fight with Germany. Germany's backing gave Italy immense power. If they didn't side with Germany they risked losing their empire as well as their beneficial economy.

By fighting with Germany, they threw away their ethics, their beliefs, and their autonomy.

[Sdaeriji]

I'll order out my poinsts just for ease of reading.
1. People who oppose gay marrige such as myself are not bigots. "The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another."

2. I have yet to see a study that proves that once someone is gay they are permanantly gay. Discriminating against the color of someone's skin is different because they can't change that (except for Michael Jackson). When it comes to gays many people (myself included) belive it to be a choice and it is not discrimination to deny people something because of a choice.

3. Enough flaming people who are against gay marrige. As I am not flaming people who are for it I should not be flamed for my own beliefs.

Religion is a choice, too. Surely, then, you would support the denial of rights to people based on their choice of religion, right? Say, for example, we passed a law that said that anyone who believed in Christianity was not allowed to get married. That'd be fair; they could just change religions if they wanted to wed.

[Lixerabitus]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_countries_did_Germany_occupy_in_World_War_2

? Italy was on that list.

Note which ones sided with the Axis and which ones with the Allied.

[Buffett and Colbert]

And what makes Italy any different from the numerous countries that had the balls to stand and fight even though they were wiped out themselves?

It wasn't in the best interests of Italy to fight with Germany. Germany's backing gave Italy immense power. If they didn't side with Germany they risked losing their empire as well as their beneficial economy.

As did many of the other nations who fought with the allies. And anyways, modern Italy never really had an empire, or would have had an empire. Even Ethiopia was snatched away from them.

But this is the last post I'll make about this as it is severely off topic.

[Greater Americania]

By fighting with Germany, they threw away their ethics, their beliefs, and their autonomy.

Why is Nazism considered immoral? Because of the Holocaust. At the time of the beginning of their alliance, Italy knew nothing of this.

[North Suran]

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT MUSSOLINI.

WE ALREADY HAVE A THREAD ABOUT MUSSOLINI.

POST THERE.

Mussolini's, like, totally gay anyway.

[Greater Americania]

Note which ones sided with the Axis and which ones with the Allied.

The ones that sided with the Allies were conquered. Notice that. Italy was still an independent country until 1945 unlike all the others.

[North Suran]

Why is Nazism considered immoral? Because of the Holocaust. At the time of the beginning of their alliance, Italy knew nothing of this.

They had anti-Semetic laws in place years before the Holocaust.

Now move this to a different thread.

[Conserative Morality]

Why is Nazism considered immoral? Because of the Holocaust. At the time of the beginning of their alliance, Italy knew nothing of this.

Because of the blatant racism that spewed out of Hitler's mouth, because of the brutal executions of gypsies, homosexuals, and, of course, Jews, because of the crazy bastards that were the early SS, because of the invasion of a neutral country...

Should I go on?

[The Dark Fae]

Y'know, I just realized something. The Bible only objects to laying with a man as WITH a woman. It doesn't have a problem with a man laying with another man as THOUGH a woman. Gay guys on the receiving end are good with the Bible?

Same thing.

How so? If you're on the receiving end, you aren't sticking it inside your partner as with a woman. How is getting a package delivered to the back door the same thing as delivering a package to a woman's main entrance?

[Lixerabitus]

Note which ones sided with the Axis and which ones with the Allied.

The ones that sided with the Allies were conquered. Notice that. Italy was still an independent country until 1945 unlike all the others.

My point is that a lot of nations were occupied by Germany, and they still sided with the Allies. Why was Italy so 'special' that an invasion from Germany would've caused them all to die a gruesome death?

[Conserative Morality]

The ones that sided with the Allies were conquered. Notice that. Italy was still an independent country until 1945 unlike all the others.

Under Hitler's puppets /=/ Independent.

[Enadail]

Why is Nazism considered immoral? Because of the Holocaust. At the time of the beginning of their alliance, Italy knew nothing of this.

Nazi-ism isn't immoral, Nazi Germany was, because of very clear hate speech from the first moments (Hitler blamed the Jews for the loss of WW1). So for Italy to know nothing of this means they were closing their ears and singing to themselves. Nazi Germany was also wrong because they killed, among other people, homosexuals.

There, back on track!