Islam: A violent religion?

[Fadh]

Honestly, I don't even see why I shold try to prove that Islam is violent. It does such a fantastic job of doing that itself.

and how about west people killing those innocent in iraq and palestine..is it you call hero justice?

news: one plane has crash on (only)two west people building and people get killed.the people who doing this is believed (not true fact) is muslim

west people: they hit on us!! we must kill all citizen of that nation, and by mean all include children and women..shot on sight.kill them all.we are not violent.destroy back not only two building but all of their house!!!!

[The Corparation]

Thats just the most plain stupidest thing I've ever heard. The Taliban used the strictest interpretation of Abrahamic Law* they could get their hands on. And you think they should of done more?

*Their code could of been drawn out of any of the other two Abrahamic Faith's religious texts.

I smell a Troll

They blatantly engage in actions that are contradictory to Islam. So yes, as a matter of fact, they do need more Islam.

Actually a lot of their actions were lifted straight from the Koran. Its all a matter of which bits you pick and choose from your religious text. They chose the hateful bits.

[New Armarzia]

and how about west people killing those innocent in iraq and palestine..is it you call hero justice?

news: one plane has crash on (only)two west people building and people get killed.the people who doing this is believed (not true fact) is muslim

west people: they hit on us!! we must kill all citizen of that nation, and by mean all include children and women..shot on sight.kill them all.we are not violent.destroy back not only two building but all of their house!!!!

First my opinion on the question is the religion isn't violent, but it was founded on violence and for most part of its history its followers are many times very violent.

And on that opinion, the west does not intentionally kill islamic civilians. We went to Iraq not because of the twin towers, that just help it get passed in congress. The CIA believed there were WMDs in Iraq, and with that kind of information it was choosing the lesser of two evils. 1) Go to war and risk there not having weapons which happened. and 2) Don't do anything and risk having an enemy of America use these weapons against you.

And Islamic extremist have killed numerous amounts of these civilians. We do not intentionally kill civilians, we actually put our soldiers lives more at risk because they are not allowed to kill civilians or suspicious people. Yes we have people that don't follow those rules, but that is such a small amount and I'm sorry but Islamic extremist do much worse to their own people. (ex. no women's rights when the quaran says they are equals. And being so violent when it is actually against violence-extremist, attacks on israel, and invasion of Kuwait for example)

[Maurepas]

No more so than any other religion or ideology. Poverty is what fuels that sort of thing, you're more open to committing violence when you're dirt poor, uneducated, and/or have few prospects for yourself or your family's future.

Things like Islam, Christianity, Anarchy, Democrats, Republicans, etc., anything that offers a viable out and a cause is merely the tool to get them to do it.

[Pikleweazl]

That's right. Especially since islam has put itself in the spotlight since 9/11.
There will be studies, there will be criticism.
Blame the 9/11 perpetrators if you don't like the attention.

did u happen to see that 9/11 person say "i'm muslim and i want to go killing innocent people" before he crash the plane..don't simply say that.same goes as someone robbed bank and put other i.d card there. but i don't say that is true either(that plane crash-man is being used).it just don't take something blindly..it is better to keep quiet if u don't know the truth.
and not that islam sacrosnct..no one here perfect..if u think islam is worse.then leave it be..you not perfect either..accept our difference and leave peacefully.never hear islam rule affect other non islam life.

wonder why no one mention about Palestine thing when they brutally get kill and their land being taken away.that trully violent

everything deserves criticism and i hate islam with a burning passion but i feel the need to defend it because the unfounded hate toward muslims is truly sickening and an illustrious example of the bigotry that is so threatening to society.
instead of pointing out the reasons why a literal interpretation oft he koran is up-surd i have to argue with the people who think that their country is being taken over by sharia law

[Jahada]

They blatantly engage in actions that are contradictory to Islam. So yes, as a matter of fact, they do need more Islam.

Actually a lot of their actions were lifted straight from the Koran. Its all a matter of which bits you pick and choose from your religious text. They chose the hateful bits.

"Straight" possibly, but out of context no doubt.

[The Corparation]

Actually a lot of their actions were lifted straight from the Koran. Its all a matter of which bits you pick and choose from your religious text. They chose the hateful bits.

"Straight" possibly, but out of context for sure.

Depends on the passage. The abrarhamic holy texts in context can be very very gruesome and brutal.

[Lonelyloner]

That's right. Especially since islam has put itself in the spotlight since 9/11.
There will be studies, there will be criticism.
Blame the 9/11 perpetrators if you don't like the attention.

That's not entirely fair. You can't put all the Islamophobia down to 9/11, or claim that it is in that manner justified.

I take it I'm misunderstood.
What I'm saying is... prior to 9/11, Islam was safe under the radar, they're pretty much just left to their own.
But then 9/11 happened. Regardless of blames, people then wanted to know the ' why ' .
And from then on, as an effect, Islam will be studied. It can't stay under the radar anymore.

[Jahada]

"Straight" possibly, but out of context for sure.

Depends on the passage. The abrarhamic holy texts in context can be very very gruesome and brutal.

The OT in some places, but not really in the Quran.

[The Collective Will (Ancient)]

Islamic, Christian, these are just labels. But theres something even more associated with god than religion and thats nature. All these religions were created in a matter of years, yet god or gods had 2 billion years to write nature, that is why nature will always have more authority over religion. Our sense of right and wrong arose from nature. Through evolution our minds became wired in a specific way over millions of years. Morality isn't a cultural phenomenon or else how did distinctly different cultures that had no contect with each other develop a code of ethics very similar to each other, that murder is wrong, to be kind to others. These truths were not self evident. A computer program does not find things self evident it has to be told every specific thing.

Now when talking about morality between cultures there are variances for instance the ancient greeks and romans were more open to sexuality than other cultures who sought bodily purity because of cultural abstraction.Through peoples emotions and actions over millions of years our sense of right and wrong was developed. The human family we know today was developed over 100,000 years ago and since that time has become the unit of society which has also been firmly ingrained in our sense of morality.

These evolutionary predispositions shaped the beginning of our cultures but a sense of right and wrong is independent of religious teaching. A sense of right and wrong has become self evident to us because of the 2 billion years of selection it took to develop our complex cognitive processes. Any religion or organisation which opposes this will be doomed to failure, if it takes 100 years or 10,000 years, like natural selection the incompatibilities of the religion with our moral sense will drain away.

[Lonelyloner]

totally agree with the guy above me.

[The Corparation]

Depends on the passage. The abrarhamic holy texts in context can be very very gruesome and brutal.

The OT in some places, but not really in the Quran.

YOu probably have not read the entirety of the Qur'an. Especially since all three of the main Abrahamic holy texts overlap significantly. (Especially with the OT stuff) You can find this stuff in the Koran. Not saying this is bad. Just pointing out that its there.

[Jahada]

The OT in some places, but not really in the Quran.

YOu probably have not read the entirety of the Qur'an. Especially since all three of the main Abrahamic holy texts overlap significantly. (Especially with the OT stuff) You can find this stuff in the Koran. Not saying this is bad. Just pointing out that its there.

I'm a Muslim, so naturally I've read the whole thing.

Which [in-context] passages are you referring to? Any specifics?

[Fadh]

and how about west people killing those innocent in iraq and palestine..is it you call hero justice?

news: one plane has crash on (only)two west people building and people get killed.the people who doing this is believed (not true fact) is muslim

west people: they hit on us!! we must kill all citizen of that nation, and by mean all include children and women..shot on sight.kill them all.we are not violent.destroy back not only two building but all of their house!!!!

First my opinion on the question is the religion isn't violent, but it was founded on violence and for most part of its history its followers are many times very violent.

And on that opinion, the west does not intentionally kill islamic civilians. We went to Iraq not because of the twin towers, that just help it get passed in congress. The CIA believed there were WMDs in Iraq, and with that kind of information it was choosing the lesser of two evils. 1) Go to war and risk there not having weapons which happened. and 2) Don't do anything and risk having an enemy of America use these weapons against you.

And Islamic extremist have killed numerous amounts of these civilians. We do not intentionally kill civilians, we actually put our soldiers lives more at risk because they are not allowed to kill civilians or suspicious people. Yes we have people that don't follow those rules, but that is such a small amount and I'm sorry but Islamic extremist do much worse to their own people. (ex. no women's rights when the quaran says they are equals. And being so violent when it is actually against violence-extremist, attacks on israel, and invasion of Kuwait for example)

and this is what i believe (not actually true, just believe), that just the only reason of invasion to control rich oil country.

[New Armarzia]

First my opinion on the question is the religion isn't violent, but it was founded on violence and for most part of its history its followers are many times very violent.

And on that opinion, the west does not intentionally kill islamic civilians. We went to Iraq not because of the twin towers, that just help it get passed in congress. The CIA believed there were WMDs in Iraq, and with that kind of information it was choosing the lesser of two evils. 1) Go to war and risk there not having weapons which happened. and 2) Don't do anything and risk having an enemy of America use these weapons against you.

And Islamic extremist have killed numerous amounts of these civilians. We do not intentionally kill civilians, we actually put our soldiers lives more at risk because they are not allowed to kill civilians or suspicious people. Yes we have people that don't follow those rules, but that is such a small amount and I'm sorry but Islamic extremist do much worse to their own people. (ex. no women's rights when the quaran says they are equals. And being so violent when it is actually against violence-extremist, attacks on israel, and invasion of Kuwait for example)

and this is what i believe (not actually true, just believe), that just the only reason of invasion to control rich oil country.

I'm going to be honest with you, that is probably a partial reason, but it was originally for the safety for USA, just we got some bad intel from the CIA... (probably more reasons, but that is just all I know for the reasons USA went along with many other nations)

[Fadh]

see..there is no point we argue about our own right..there must be a way of life for certain part in the world.that all make us different from each other and surely it is interesting.and koran says "you know why god make all of us different, because god want us to know each other well, accept the different" it surely become boring if this world consist of all same type of people.lame..

i'm happy and thanks with my country now..multirace and multireligion.and we can leave harmony, we accept each other, if something up with religion problem we discuss it nicely, thanks to our caring government although i know they sometime did something wrong(well no one perfect but have to admit).

the point is, i'm not happy when someone discriminate other..we are all living being.have right to live..why condemn other.i can say "when someone in that religion become priest they can't married, oh..what a ridiculous rule" instead of that i just say that is your own way.as long it is not bother me why should i concern bout it.there must be a reason behind it that i don't know.so i better not to talk about that.

as a violent islam(true reason i'm into this thread), well there is a point that is true in this part of the world.BUT true islam not violent, you can research about true islam, there no such violent in there, if there exist that not the true islam.IF ONLY you want to talk so much about it.and we can't 100% blame those violent people (called terrorism) either when they are just fight back, it must have reason behind it (i don't know so it would be better i'm not say about it).it may dated back from 100 or 500 years ago.so who are to blame? no point.

for those country in war, i don't know who is wrong and right, all we hear from control media when we don't know was there a propaganda or conspiracy.i just pray all the killing will stop for innocent live sake.thanks god it is not in my country.

if those people can't make it, then why must not we make it.for the better world.stop killing, stop fighting, stop discriminating, stop hating, sure it will do all of us great

[New Armarzia]

see..there is no point we argue about our own right..there must be a way of life for certain part in the world.that all make us different from each other and surely it is interesting.and koran says "you know why god make all of us different, because god want us to know each other well, accept the different" it surely become boring if this world consist of all same type of people.lame..

i'm happy and thanks with my country now..multirace and multireligion.and we can leave harmony, we accept each other, if something up with religion problem we discuss it nicely, thanks to our caring government although i know they sometime did something wrong(well no one perfect but have to admit).

the point is, i'm not happy when someone discriminate other..we are all living being.have right to live..why condemn other.i can say "when someone in that religion become priest they can't married, oh..what a ridiculous rule" instead of that i just say that is your own way.as long it is not bother me why should i concern bout it.there must be a reason behind it that i don't know.so i better not to talk about that.

as a violent islam(true reason i'm into this thread), well there is a point that is true in this part of the world.BUT true islam not violent, you can research about true islam, there no such violent in there, if there exist that not the true islam.IF ONLY you want to talk so much about it.and we can't 100% blame those violent people (called terrorism) either when they are just fight back, it must have reason behind it (i don't know so it would be better i'm not say about it).it may dated back from 100 or 500 years ago.so who are to blame? no point.

for those country in war, i don't know who is wrong and right, all we hear from control media when we don't know was there a propaganda or conspiracy.i just pray all the killing will stop for innocent live sake.thanks god it is not in my country.

if those people can't make it, then why must not we make it.for the better world.stop killing, stop fighting, stop discriminating, stop hating, sure it will do all of us great

I agree with you for the most part their. Islam is a nonviolent religion but since it was founded and originally spread through violence people associate it with violence (both nonmuslims and extremist muslims)

[The Corparation]

YOu probably have not read the entirety of the Qur'an. Especially since all three of the main Abrahamic holy texts overlap significantly. (Especially with the OT stuff) You can find this stuff in the Koran. Not saying this is bad. Just pointing out that its there.

I'm a Muslim, so naturally I've read the whole thing.

Which [in-context] passages are you referring to? Any specifics?

Can't quote the verse of the top of my head. Most of what I've read have been excerpts from the violent bits. Often with the context given.

[Jahada]

Can't quote the verse of the top of my head. Most of what I've read have been excerpts from the violent bits. Often with the context given.

Well, any and all violence in the Quran is perfectly reasonable when you understand the history and the circumstances.

[The Corparation]

Can't quote the verse of the top of my head. Most of what I've read have been excerpts from the violent bits. Often with the context given.

Well, any and all violence in the Quran is perfectly reasonable when you understand the history and the circumstances.

Same with the OT and the Torah.

[Delanshar]

The better question is what religion ISN'T violent.

Islam is violent, but so is everyone else- it's human nature and I don't think Muslims should be singled out for something thats part of all of us.

[Northern Itasca]

Is Islam violent? Well, is Christianity violent? After all, there were the crusades... the witch hunts... and now bombing abortion clinics. There will always be radical a**holes, no matter what religion. But, I don't think this justifies calling the entire religion violent.

Compare the amount of abortion clinic bombings by Christians to the amount of suicide bombings, etc by Muslims. The thing is, Islam, while majority of its followers are not radicalized, is radicalized on a much larger scale than Christianity or anything for that matter. It is radicalized on a scale that makes it a legitimate threat to every Muslim and non-Muslim on the planet.

[Fadh]

okay,this is it..when u kill someone that is not deserve to die..it is called murderer.u take someone life w/o owner permission..it is called violent.why argue about islam people kill more people than christian or jews people?? they both call murderer and violent..both should be critics and condemn right??

so..from what book stated early day of islam is founded and spread through violent.and what part in koran tell their people to become extremist and violent, kill own people and do ridiculous rule. please at least do some research before talk about it.don't just blindly take what you hear..and i'm suggest you read whole kuran first. and study a bit early day of islam and way of mohamad life.

and feel free to ask anything about koran and mohamad..nicely i'll try to answer.but don't expect i know all about it..i'm too still learning and not perfect.

[Zanazbar]

Is Islam violent? Well, is Christianity violent? After all, there were the crusades... the witch hunts... and now bombing abortion clinics. There will always be radical a**holes, no matter what religion. But, I don't think this justifies calling the entire religion violent.

Compare the amount of abortion clinic bombings by Christians to the amount of suicide bombings, etc by Muslims. The thing is, Islam, while majority of its followers are not radicalized, is radicalized on a much larger scale than Christianity or anything for that matter. It is radicalized on a scale that makes it a legitimate threat to every Muslim and non-Muslim on the planet.

And it is a threat to the whole world? How do you mean?

[Dustistan]

That's right. Especially since islam has put itself in the spotlight since 9/11.
There will be studies, there will be criticism.
Blame the 9/11 perpetrators if you don't like the attention.

did u happen to see that 9/11 person say "i'm muslim and i want to go killing innocent people" before he crash the plane.

Well, the black-box flight recorders for most of the 9/11 flights were not recovered, so this is a silly question. Al Qaeda has acknowledged responsibility for the hijackings and the crashes. They claim to be Muslim. Do you disagree?

As for the innocence of the victims, I suspect Al Qaeda claims they are all guilty. But whether they acknowledge their victims as innocent is irrelevant. The people in the WTC were complete strangers to the hijackers. There would have been the normal fair share of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists... Good, Bad and Indifferent... People who supported and opposed the actions of Israel or the middle east... people on both sides of any issue you care to name, whose lives were snuffed out without trial, without opportunity to state their case or change their ways. Everyone involved in the plot would have realised this with 5 minutes honest reflection, so they have no excuse.