Islam: A violent religion?

[SunsSon]

Can I ask you about women opening businesses in the middle east? I'm assuming your Muslim given your sig, but I could be wrong. I've been told that women and men are set apart from each other (family/bachelor sections of stores, etc), so if a woman owns a business, she cannot interact with the men that work there unless they are apart of her family, correct? Does this mean that there is a man in these businesses that act as a go between between the woman and the employees (should the employees be all men, and I'm under the impression that usually, people that work are either men or expats).

I could be entirely off by this, because I am rather confused about the situation. But I would love to do business in the middle east when I open my own multinational.

I'd imagine that it's extremely hard for a woman to run a business in the middle east because the middle is a screwed up hellhole with not a shred of Islam in it. As for gender segregation, that really only happens in Saudi Arabia.

Now, in Islam, I'm pretty sure women can work with unrelated men in a business, as long as it's with a completely professional attitude and with no "funny business".

Okay. We had a professor that works in Saudi Arabia come talk to us about doing business, so that's probably why I thought that about gender discrimination. Thanks for clearing some of that up.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Jahada: before we continue - what is your preferred punishment for adultery and fornication? I will have to respond to you post, point by point, tommorow.

First of all, it's important to clearly defined fornication and adultery, to avoid confusion. A fornicator is an unmarried person who has sex with any other person, regardless of the second person's marital status. An adulterer is any married person who has sex with anyone whom they are not married too, regardless of the second person's marital status.

With that said, I fully support the Islamic punishment for fornicators, which is 100 lashes, separated into several sessions.

Adultery is a little more complicated. The punishment for adultery is death, but the traditional way of doing it is by stoning. I personally am against stoning. I support other methods, such as lethal injection. After all, death is death, so I would rather make it as un-gruesome as possible.

However, since forgiveness is important in Islam, I support giving adulterers second chances if they are genuinely sorry and promise to not to it again. But I do not support letting fornicators off the hook, because 100 lashes is not even remotely as serious as death.

Also, despite however reprehensible I am finding some of your views, the tone of my last response was unnecessarily aggressive and I apologize.

I was going to call you out on that, but thank you for this.

Sorry, again before I respond to your post tommorow. You've defined your preferred punishments for adultery and fornication, which are lethal injection, and a 100 lashes respectively. Would you be kind enough to tell me your preferred punishment for homosexual acts as well?

(And no I am not homosexual, in case you are curious)

I was going to call you out on that, but thank you for this.

I'll keep it civil.

[EnragedMaldivians]

I remember reading Muslim women were the first women in the world allowed to file for divorce (and own a business. neat!).

His first wife was a businesswoman; he married her before even he was a Muslim. So,..no.

He did ban female infanticide though.

[Maxedon]

We should just take the oil and run. And by run I mean turn the middle east into glass.

[DaWoad]

We should just take the oil and run. And by run I mean turn the middle east into glass.

yes because killing millions of people is always good times.

[Gauthier]

We should just take the oil and run. And by run I mean turn the middle east into glass.

yes because killing millions of people is always good times.

And if it happens to be millions of brown people killed, you can call it Fighting Terrorism.

[Sierra Lobo]

yes because killing millions of people is always good times.

And if it happens to be millions of brown people killed, you can call it Fighting Terrorism.

And the West is the land of white people who kill people for fun.

/sarcasm

[Lonelyloner]

Sorry, i just can't help recalling islam as violent.

Here's a tip on how to change that image?

Those people doing terrible things? Please make them not shout Allahu Akbar!
Just don't shout anything islamic when doing their horrible things.

Do that, and the image of islam in my mind will vastly improve.

Can this be done?

[Jahada]

Sorry, again before I respond to your post tommorow. You've defined your preferred punishments for adultery and fornication, which are lethal injection, and a 100 lashes respectively. Would you be kind enough to tell me your preferred punishment for homosexual acts as well?

For those, I support the exact same punishments: 100 lashes for any unmarried person engaging in homosexual acts, and death--but with possible first-time forgiveness--if the person is married.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Sorry, again before I respond to your post tommorow. You've defined your preferred punishments for adultery and fornication, which are lethal injection, and a 100 lashes respectively. Would you be kind enough to tell me your preferred punishment for homosexual acts as well?

For those, I support the exact same punishments: 100 lashes for any unmarried person engaging in homosexual acts, and death--but with possible first-time forgiveness--if the person is married.

Thanks, you'll have to wait till Tuesday for a response. Pulling an all nighter - I'd rather be getting a 100 lashes right now tbh. Can't respond today, and I'll probably be a zombie tommorow.

You'd be a decent chap if you weren't so intent on killing and lashing people for sexual "misconduct"*, but that's just me. Whatever the case; I want to continue this debate.

*(I agree, adultery is bad - but the death penalty is just...)

[Fadh]

1st: someone that kill other INNOCENT is call murderer and surely they is bad people.no matter who and what religion.

2nd: why bother bout other people religion rule when u not do most what your religion tell to do.see your own self before other.

3rd: don't talk about something u do not know.

we all different, share same world, u do what u do and so me.don't provoke us and so we.

[EnragedMaldivians]

1st: someone that kill other INNOCENT is call murderer and surely they is bad people.no matter who and what religion.

2nd: why bother bout other people religion rule when u not do most what your religion tell to do.see your own self before other.

3rd: don't talk about something u do not know.

we all different, share same world, u do what u do and so me.don't provoke us and so we.

Was this directed at me?

[Aurum and Argentum]

1st: someone that kill other INNOCENT is call murderer and surely they is bad people.no matter who and what religion.

2nd: why bother bout other people religion rule when u not do most what your religion tell to do.see your own self before other.

3rd: don't talk about something u do not know.

we all different, share same world, u do what u do and so me.don't provoke us and so we.

Calm down .... and why should we not criticize islam .... in NSG we criticize everything, what makes islam sacrosanct?

[Lonelyloner]

3rd: don't talk about something u do not know.

we all different, share same world, u do what u do and so me.don't provoke us and so we.

Calm down .... and why should we not criticize islam .... in NSG we criticize everything, what makes islam sacrosanct?

That's right. Especially since islam has put itself in the spotlight since 9/11.
There will be studies, there will be criticism.
Blame the 9/11 perpetrators if you don't like the attention.

[Miasto Lodz]

Heh, funny thing: imam of Paris received death threats and has been placed under the police protection for admitting Islam is violent and militant religion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE743MJ2rdg

[Republicke]

Calm down .... and why should we not criticize islam .... in NSG we criticize everything, what makes islam sacrosanct?

That's right. Especially since islam has put itself in the spotlight since 9/11.
There will be studies, there will be criticism.
Blame the 9/11 perpetrators if you don't like the attention.

That's not entirely fair. You can't put all the Islamophobia down to 9/11, or claim that it is in that manner justified.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Honestly, I don't even see why I shold try to prove that Islam is violent. It does such a fantastic job of doing that itself.

Adultery is a little more complicated. The punishment for adultery is death, but the traditional way of doing it is by stoning. I personally am against stoning. I support other methods, such as lethal injection. After all, death is death, so I would rather make it as un-gruesome as possible.

Ladies and gentlemen: Islam is a violent religion, exhibit A.

Yes. Muhammad gave women rights that were unheard of in the west for over a thousand years after him.

And then the West completely outstripped Islam and made the Muslims look like they were living in the age of cavemen. But feel free to keep living in the past.

[Jahada]

Honestly, I don't even see why I shold try to prove that Islam is violent. It does such a fantastic job of doing that itself.

Adultery is a little more complicated. The punishment for adultery is death, but the traditional way of doing it is by stoning. I personally am against stoning. I support other methods, such as lethal injection. After all, death is death, so I would rather make it as un-gruesome as possible.

Ladies and gentlemen: Islam is a violent religion, exhibit A.

Criminalizing something in a way that you and/or the West doesn't/don't agree with doesn't make Islam violent. First of all, given the social context--the high value Islam places on marriage, as well as its clearly defined purposes of marriage and the structure/duties within a family--outlawing adultery is perfectly reasonable. Secondly, like I said before, it's trivial because if someone wants to cheat on there spouse, they can easily get a divorce first. There are no excuses for not doing so.

Yes. Muhammad gave women rights that were unheard of in the west for over a thousand years after him.

And then the West completely outstripped Islam and made the Muslims look like they were living in the age of cavemen. But feel free to keep living in the past.

The reason the Middle East is the hellhole it is, is not because of Islam, but because of a lack of Islam. If Middle Eastern governments were Islamic and lived up to the ideals and values of Islam, it wouldn't be long at all before they came back up to par with the West.

[The Corparation]

Yes. Muhammad gave women rights that were unheard of in the west for over a thousand years after him.

And then the West completely outstripped Islam and made the Muslims look like they were living in the age of cavemen. But feel free to keep living in the past.

The reason the Middle East is the hellhole it is, is not because of Islam, but because of a lack of Islam. If Middle Eastern governments were Islamic and lived up to the ideals and values of Islam, it wouldn't be long at all before they came back up to par with the West.[/quote]
Yeah. The Taliban tried that and it turned out great until the evil imperialist Americans invaded.

[Sierra Lobo]

Yes. Muhammad gave women rights that were unheard of in the west for over a thousand years after him.

And then the West completely outstripped Islam and made the Muslims look like they were living in the age of cavemen. But feel free to keep living in the past.

The reason the Middle East is the hellhole it is, is not because of Islam, but because of a lack of Islam. If Middle Eastern governments were Islamic and lived up to the ideals and values of Islam, it wouldn't be long at all before they came back up to par with the West.

Yeah. The Taliban tried that and it turned out great until the evil imperialist Americans invaded.[/quote]
They need more Islam than what the taliban used.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Criminalizing something in a way that you and/or the West doesn't/don't agree with doesn't make Islam violent. First of all, given the social context--the high value Islam places on marriage, as well as its clearly defined purposes of marriage and the structure/duties within a family--outlawing adultery is perfectly reasonable. Secondly, like I said before, it's trivial because if someone wants to cheat on there spouse, they can easily get a divorce first. There are no excuses for not doing so.

... You want to KILL people for sleeping with other people. Don't you see the problem with that?

[The Corparation]

The reason the Middle East is the hellhole it is, is not because of Islam, but because of a lack of Islam. If Middle Eastern governments were Islamic and lived up to the ideals and values of Islam, it wouldn't be long at all before they came back up to par with the West.

Yeah. The Taliban tried that and it turned out great until the evil imperialist Americans invaded.

They need more Islam than what the taliban used.

Thats just the most plain stupidest thing I've ever heard. The Taliban used the strictest interpretation of Abrahamic Law* they could get their hands on. And you think they should of done more?

*Their code could of been drawn out of any of the other two Abrahamic Faith's religious texts.

I smell a Troll

[Jahada]

Criminalizing something in a way that you and/or the West doesn't/don't agree with doesn't make Islam violent. First of all, given the social context--the high value Islam places on marriage, as well as its clearly defined purposes of marriage and the structure/duties within a family--outlawing adultery is perfectly reasonable. Secondly, like I said before, it's trivial because if someone wants to cheat on there spouse, they can easily get a divorce first. There are no excuses for not doing so.

... You want to KILL people for sleeping with other people. Don't you see the problem with that?

Oh, the sleeping-with-someone-else part isn't the half of it. By doing this, one is also betraying their spouse and possibly their family, flouting their spousal and possibly parental duties, jeopardizing the steadfastness and solidity as well as emotional stability of their family, and throwing the entire social concept of marriage out the window.

And actually, killing people for adultery isn't something I actively promote. For me, it's more like a "Why not?" kind of thing. I don't go around saying "All adulterers must be killed!!!!!11!!1one!11" I simply accept that it is reasonable punishment and that it would work just fine, especially because, as I have said many times, any and all effects of this punishment can be easily circumvented by a simple divorce.

[Jahada]

They need more Islam than what the taliban used.

Thats just the most plain stupidest thing I've ever heard. The Taliban used the strictest interpretation of Abrahamic Law* they could get their hands on. And you think they should of done more?

*Their code could of been drawn out of any of the other two Abrahamic Faith's religious texts.

I smell a Troll

They blatantly engage in actions that are contradictory to Islam. So yes, as a matter of fact, they do need more Islam.

[Fadh]

Calm down .... and why should we not criticize islam .... in NSG we criticize everything, what makes islam sacrosanct?

That's right. Especially since islam has put itself in the spotlight since 9/11.
There will be studies, there will be criticism.
Blame the 9/11 perpetrators if you don't like the attention.

did u happen to see that 9/11 person say "i'm muslim and i want to go killing innocent people" before he crash the plane..don't simply say that.same goes as someone robbed bank and put other i.d card there. but i don't say that is true either(that plane crash-man is being used).it just don't take something blindly..it is better to keep quiet if u don't know the truth.
and not that islam sacrosnct..no one here perfect..if u think islam is worse.then leave it be..you not perfect either..accept our difference and leave peacefully.never hear islam rule affect other non islam life.

wonder why no one mention about Palestine thing when they brutally get kill and their land being taken away.that trully violent