Islam: A violent religion?

[Zanazbar]

The Koran [Which I read some of in an English translation] is filled with passages about nonviolence towards both Muslims and non-Muslims. It does justify war in some cases, but condemns the killing of innocents. While Koran talks about the Muhammad's jihad against his enemies in Mecca, Muhammad told told his follows that the most important jihad was the one fought inside for his soul. The fact that Muslims have killed in rage and said that they were doing it for God doesn't make Islam an entirely bad religion does it? People have long used religion as a justification for violent acts. Is Islam violent?

[The Parkus Empire]

I feel your closing question lacks the elaboration which could have made this thread far better.

[Democratariastan]

It depends how you interpret it. I personally don't like Islam. Then again, I really don't like any religion. As long as its followers don't use it as an excuse to kill people, I can tolerate it, but that's as far as I go.

[Innsmothe]

It depends on the interpreter, like all religions.

[Barringtonia]

Does any philosophy that purports to tell us how to live our lives inherently have adherents who will justify violence against those who do not follow it.

Islam was, to some extent, born of violence, Muhammad was essentially a freedom fighter of sorts and so the idea of waging war against those deemed to oppress it becomes part and parcel of the philosophy. Similarly communism as outlined by Marx and Lenin called for overthrow of the existing order and supplanting it with a new one.

Yet capitalism send people off to war constantly and there are plenty of Christian fanatics.

Any system has the basic fault of requiring humans to maintain it, though as much as it's a fault of the few, the majority seem decent enough and that's true of Islam as well.

[Yootwopia]

Yes.

[St George of England]

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[Ghanara]

Is Islam violent? Well, is Christianity violent? After all, there were the crusades... the witch hunts... and now bombing abortion clinics. There will always be radical a**holes, no matter what religion. But, I don't think this justifies calling the entire religion violent.

[Yootwopia]

Is Islam violent? Well, is Christianity violent? After all, there were the crusades... the witch hunts... and now bombing abortion clinics. There will always be radical a**holes, no matter what religion. But, I don't think this justifies calling the entire religion violent.

The religion espouses violence, in the same way as Christianity and Judaism. It's a violent religion, and 'the others are too' doesn't really cut it. Whether there are any truly popular religions which don't condone, and in fact encourage, violence in certain contexts is a seperate issue.

[Rolamec]

Sure.

[Miasto Lodz]

The Koran [Which I read some of in an English translation] is filled with passages about nonviolence towards both Muslims and non-Muslims. It does justify war in some cases, but condemns the killing of innocents.

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Then we have read a different Qurans.

[The Kuomintang]

In reality, the Islam isn't any more violent than Christianity. However, it's the radicals with their Jihads (equivalent to the Crusades, IMHO), crimes, pro-Sharia protests and sexism who make the entire group look bad.

[Yootwopia]

In reality, the Islam isn't any more violent than Christianity.

Right, so "yes", then.

[Rolamec]

In reality, the Islam isn't any more violent than Christianity. However, it's the radicals with their Jihads (equivalent to the Crusades, IMHO), crimes, pro-Sharia protests and sexism who make the entire group look bad.

Not to mention that extremist group is very active, and proportionally higher to the overall religion than the radical elements of Christianity presently are....which is why they're probably growing. What amazes me is when people mention Christians and the Crusades, even though the Muslims waged holy war at the same time....

[St George of England]

The Koran [Which I read some of in an English translation] is filled with passages about nonviolence towards both Muslims and non-Muslims. It does justify war in some cases, but condemns the killing of innocents.

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Then we have read a different Qurans.

Because the Torah is full of messages of peace and love isn't it?

[Siorafrica]

Every movement has its fanatics. We all know of religious murderers and there was also Stalin and Mao.

[Rolamec]

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Then we have read a different Qurans.

Because the Torah is full of messages of peace and love isn't it?

Aren't the five books of Moses (Torah) part of the Koran?

[Miasto Lodz]

Because the Torah is full of messages of peace and love isn't it?

None scripture is.

[Teotan]

Is christianity which has allowed slavery, overpopulation, and rape bad?

[Ifreann]

Islam ran over my dog once. I tried to take the license plate number, but apparently anthropomorphic personifications of religions have the forethought to take their plates off before they go joyriding.

[Rolamec]

Is christianity which has allowed slavery, overpopulation, and rape bad?

I didn't realize overpopulation was now equivalent to slavery or rape. Interesting, considering that it is two non-Christian nations which are largely overpopulated...

[St George of England]

Because the Torah is full of messages of peace and love isn't it?

Aren't the five books of Moses (Torah) part of the Koran?

At least...

[Miasto Lodz]

In reality, the Islam isn't any more violent than Christianity. However, it's the radicals with their Jihads (equivalent to the Crusades, IMHO), crimes, pro-Sharia protests and sexism who make the entire group look bad.

There's no return to crusades. Christianity has passed the reformation, Vaticanum II and now is in retreat (what I'm happy to see). But here and now there are no Christian terrorists around. There are no Christian social security parasites in Dubai or Qatar as well.

Is christianity which has allowed slavery, overpopulation, and rape bad?

Quran accepts every kind of enslavement and forced obedience as well.

[St George of England]

In reality, the Islam isn't any more violent than Christianity. However, it's the radicals with their Jihads (equivalent to the Crusades, IMHO), crimes, pro-Sharia protests and sexism who make the entire group look bad.

There's no return to crusades. Christianity has passed the reformation, Vaticanum II and now is in retreat (what I'm happy to see). But here and now there are no Christian terrorists around. There are no Christian social security parasites in Dubai or Qatar as well.

Is christianity which has allowed slavery, overpopulation, and rape bad?

Quran accepts every kind of enslavement and forced obedience as well.

IRA. WBC.

There are, however, 'Christian social security parasites' in other countries.

[Gauthier]

Islam ran over my dog once. I tried to take the license plate number, but apparently anthropomorphic personifications of religions have the forethought to take their plates off before they go joyriding.

And when the cops asked you to look at a lineup, how of many of them were bearded and wore turbans?