Feminist man-haters

[North Suran]

Sorry, I must not have the same filters you do, where you outright ignore someone telling you that they are emotional unstable, and go on to pretend they never brought it up in the first place.

A good rule of thumb on the internet is to not blurt your entire life story (in particular those aspects you don't want people commenting on) to the whole wide world.

Huh? What was that? Oh sorry, I wasn't able to concentrate due to the fact that Ronald Reagan is staring down at my face again.

Gorbachev had the same problem.

I'm getting the weirdest sense of deja vu.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Gorbachev had the same problem.

Even the second time around it makes me laugh.

[Bottle]

i certainly have heard more terrible things said about men by non-feminist identified women than i ever have by avowed feminists.

Indeed.

I get accused of "hating men" all the time because I'm a feminist, yet when there are conversations about how "all men are pigs" I'm almost always the one arguing AGAINST such positions. When people claim that all men are naturally inclined to be dirty, stupid, boorish, violent, and vicious animals, I'm the one arguing that men are human beings who are capable of rational thought and adult behavior. It's usually anti-feminists who argue that men are, at best, over-grown infants who need a woman to pick out their socks for them. It's usually anti-feminists who argue that men are morally or intellectually incapable of NOT raping women who dress a certain way. It's usually anti-feminists who argue that men are so cripplingly insecure that they can only feel good about themselves if they are subjugating somebody else.

But I'm the "man-hater" because I suggest that male human beings are capable of self-control, respectful behavior, and maturity.

[Eofaerwic]

We call man-hater: lesbians here

No, no, you've got it wrong. We don't hate men, we just hate the cock

[Galloism]

Gorbachev had the same problem.

Even the second time around it makes me laugh.

Well you didn't respond the first time, so I thought you missed it.

[Muravyets]

Since when is disagreement considered a come-on?

Well actually, around here it probably is.

"That's right baby, debate the merits of the capital gains tax at me! Oooh yeah, debate it hard. Now tell me about your thoughts on socialized medicine. Oh god, I think my paradigm is about to shift..."

I was all set to get into this, reading the thread, mentally marking notes about what to comment on, and then I hit this. Derailment. Funny bitch.

[Surpsainia]

We call man-hater: lesbians here

No, no, you've got it wrong. We don't hate men, we just hate the cock

Nobody give her a pair of scissors!

[Muravyets]

I think you're absolutely right. Because I did that for years.

Yes, everyone take a moment to marvel, but for years I did not want to be identified as "feminist."

I still believed all the fundamentals that I believe now, but I didn't want to be called "feminist" because of all the baggage around that term.

...

Well, if I'm understanding it correctly, what they did was start with a very broad definition of "feminism": any reference to equal rights for women, the acknowledgement of inequality between women and men, and the need for social change on behalf of women. They asked the participants to define "feminism," and then had two independent raters determine whether or not the participant gave a response that qualified. So, in their example, "Feminists are women who dislike men and want to have the same rights as men have" was an acceptable definition. However, cases where people confused "feminism" with something else (i.e. "Feminism is being ladylike") or when people simply did not show any awareness of what feminism is (i.e. "feminism is disliking men"), those responses were coded as inconsistent with the operational definition of the term. Which makes sense, because if a person thinks "feminism" means "being ladylike," then the fact that they do or don't identify as "feminist" isn't applicable to the study.

Almost every label that can be used to describe me and my views accurately is or has been at some time used by others as an insult. "Feminist," "liberal," "pagan," "progressive," "assertive," "competitive," etc, etc, etc. I have been insulted with the words that describe me by both right and left, feminists and anti-feminists, etc., pretty much anyone who has ever resented me disagreeing with them about something.

You know what? Fuck 'em. I think I might have crossed the "fuck 'em" line before I was 20 years old. I, not them -- I define me. I pick what words to use for that purpose. Anyone who doesn't like the words I use, can kiss my feminist, liberal, pagan, progressive ass.

[Muravyets]

Stereotype about feminists turns out to be full of shit; Doctors report no surprise related heart attacks.


In related news: Levels of bra burning continue to be negligible.

I have a bra that I'll probably burn someday. The evil thing lifts and separates just fine, but it chafes like a bastard.

[The Cat-Tribe]

As a white male feminist, I don't find these facts to be surprising. I am greatly pleased, however, to see peer-reviewed evidence of what I knew was true.

Unfortunately, I am even less surprised that misogynists and anti-feminists will dismiss these facts as inconvenient.

[Bottle]

Almost every label that can be used to describe me and my views accurately is or has been at some time used by others as an insult. "Feminist," "liberal," "pagan," "progressive," "assertive," "competitive," etc, etc, etc. I have been insulted with the words that describe me by both right and left, feminists and anti-feminists, etc., pretty much anyone who has ever resented me disagreeing with them about something.

You know what? Fuck 'em. I think I might have crossed the "fuck 'em" line before I was 20 years old. I, not them -- I define me. I pick what words to use for that purpose. Anyone who doesn't like the words I use, can kiss my feminist, liberal, pagan, progressive ass.

Ditto for me, though it took me until I was in college to really embrace the true spirit of "fuck em." I was a late bloomer.

[Muravyets]

alot of feminists also hate there jobs and wish they had been house wives

A lot of PEOPLE hate their jobs. A lot of PEOPLE would rather stay home with their children, or not be responsible for financially supporting themselves and/or their families. A lot of PEOPLE would enjoy the life of a "housewife."

Contrary to many popular myths, feminists are people. Some feminists are housewives or househusbands. Some feminists are not. Some feminists who are housewives/househusbands are happy in that role, while others take it on because it is what their situation requires. Some feminists who are not housewives/househusbands are happy in that role, while others would prefer to stay home but are unable to do so because of the realities of their situation.

It is rather mindboggling that such concepts need to be stated, but it seems that's the level of discourse when it comes to gender relations.

Which is why a lot of PEOPLE are trying to start their own businesses. Sex has nothing to do with hating a job that sucks. I really don't understand why people ignore the poor men so much. Doesn't anyone care about their unhappiness in the workplace?

[Muravyets]

Huh? What was that? Oh sorry, I wasn't able to concentrate due to the fact that Ronald Reagan is staring down at my face again.

Gorbachev had the same problem.

It was mutual. Reagan couldn't take his eyes off that portwine mark on Gorbachev's head, and Gorbachev couldn't think anything but "What is he looking at?"

[Ravea]

Snake, you've created a Time Paradox! Snake? Snake! SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!

[Muravyets]

Ditto for me, though it took me until I was in college to really embrace the true spirit of "fuck em." I was a late bloomer.

I was helped by the fact that I was raised by an entire family of male and female "fuck 'em all" declarers. I suspect that phrase, in Latin, might be on our medieval coat of arms, if there is such a thing somewhere.

[Bottle]

Which is why a lot of PEOPLE are trying to start their own businesses. Sex has nothing to do with hating a job that sucks. I really don't understand why people ignore the poor men so much. Doesn't anyone care about their unhappiness in the workplace?

Yet another example of feminist man-hating...feminists argue that men are capable of being nurturing and competent care-givers for children, and also that men may actually wish to spend time with their own kids. This is clearly evidence of how feminists want to castrate all men, because the suggestion that a male person might like spending time with his children is an insult against his masculinity.

[WWII History Geeks]

In keeping with the most original of the discussion, I am slightly suprised, but I suppose I should've seen it coming. Personally, I see quite a bit of pressure put on males by anti-feministic beleifs. They have to do the right thing all the time, being the breadwinner and such. But this also puts quite a bit of pressure on females. They must stay home and do everything they can to make life more comfortable for their families. As a woman with an anti-feministic father, I feel this pressure and because of that, I am slightly biased. However, while I beleive man and woman should work and live to support eachother and a family, some minor concessions won't hurt anybody. For example, in WWII in the United States where women went to work to take the place of her man that was over in a foreign land fighting for what the government told him to. The majority went happily back to the kitchen when their boys came home, but the "Rosies" that remained to stay in the workforce never hurt anyone terribly. And besides, as long as the work gets done it usually doesn't matter who the hell did it.

[Bottle]

In keeping with the most original of the discussion, I am slightly suprised, but I suppose I should've seen it coming. Personally, I see quite a bit of pressure put on males by anti-feministic beleifs. They have to do the right thing all the time, being the breadwinner and such. But this also puts quite a bit of pressure on females. They must stay home and do everything they can to make life more comfortable for their families.

Pressure which is all the more idiotic in economic times like these, since most families just don't have the option of surviving on one paycheck any more. A woman has to work outside the home to ensure that her kids can go to the damn dentist, but if anything bad happens to her kids she will be informed that it's her fault for not having been a stay-at-home mommy. Everything from childhood obesity to juvenile delinquency will be blamed on her "choice" to work outside the home. Hooray for the lose-lose scenario.

[Kryozerkia]

Pressure which is all the more idiotic in economic times like these, since most families just don't have the option of surviving on one paycheck any more. A woman has to work outside the home to ensure that her kids can go to the damn dentist, but if anything bad happens to her kids she will be informed that it's her fault for not having been a stay-at-home mommy. Everything from childhood obesity to juvenile delinquency will be blamed on her "choice" to work outside the home. Hooray for the lose-lose scenario.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Why isn't it daddy's fault if the kid turns into society's problem? After all, daddy could be a stay-at-home daddy, and he could be there for the children just as easily as mommy could.

Why not blame daddy for his choices? After all, he is leaving those children, especially if he is a single daddy.

[Surote]

I'm shocked almost had a heart attack.

[Poliwanacraca]

Bravo! You call someone crazy and then expect others to respect you. Bravo!

I called her no such thing. She made a point of telling the entire forum that she was seeing a psychiatrist. I'm only working with what she wants us to know.

Oh my god, she admitted to seeing a doctor? Well, that totally invalidates everything she's ever said, clearly! What's next, people openly admitting to going to the dentist? How can we ever take their opinions seriously if we know they have cavities?!

Aren't you just the height of maturity. Here's a little tip, if she annoys you that much put her on ignore. Although, doing so wouldn't be good for trolling her relentlessly would it?

It's okay you can troll other people, I guess.

Ah. So when people transmit the intimate details of their life, it is trolling to refer to those details. Noted. I will pretend not to notice these overly intimate sharings with strangers.

I know, it's just terrible to share incredibly personal details like, "I see a doctor sometimes." You know who really grinds my gears? Those fuckers with cancer. I mean, some of them even have the nerve to admit it publicly! It's almost as if they think they're actual people, and that having an illness isn't something shameful that they must hide from the world to protect the sensibilities of random people on the internet!

[Poliwanacraca]

Back to the actual topic, rather than feeding the troll (sorry, I couldn't resist) - color me unsurprised. As Bottle points out, it is typically the non-feminists who seem to honestly believe that men are overgrown children who cannot dress or feed themselves or control their impulses in any way, while the feminists give them the credit of assuming that they are sane, competent adults.

[Wanderjar]

"Our work finds that, indeed, non-feminists believe in traditional gender roles such as men being breadwinners and women being caregivers. At the same time, these non-feminists actually appear to resent the confines of the traditional roles they advocate, which presents a paradox for women and men in traditional heterosexual relationships."
Show of hands:
Who is surprised?

Not me. Women are indecisive? I could've told you that, and saved all that time and money.

These studies are performed by people with far too much time on their hands and not enough work to do. lol

[Bottle]

These studies are performed by people with far too much time on their hands and not enough work to do. lol

He said, posting on an internet forum.

[Hiddenrun]

Oh my god, she admitted to seeing a doctor? Well, that totally invalidates everything she's ever said, clearly! What's next, people openly admitting to going to the dentist? How can we ever take their opinions seriously if we know they have cavities?!

I know, it's just terrible to share incredibly personal details like, "I see a doctor sometimes." You know who really grinds my gears? Those fuckers with cancer. I mean, some of them even have the nerve to admit it publicly! It's almost as if they think they're actual people, and that having an illness isn't something shameful that they must hide from the world to protect the sensibilities of random people on the internet!

Yes, reading in context is too difficult. I was accused of calling her crazy. I did no such thing. Perhaps you should follow that entire exchange to understand it better. You may be surprised to find out she actually is the one who said I should see a psychiatrist, in rather derogatory terms.