Feminist man-haters

[Greater Americania]

So because she's making an argument you can't respond to, versus one you can, you're not going to continue the argument?

Well, thanks for conceding I guess. Most people would have at least made an effort, but it's big of you to at least admit when you've been outclassed

I suppose I'm done arguing with you as well if you're going to support picking and choosing which of my arguments I make to debate with and pretending that I didn't make the others.

[Greater Americania]

No, I don't think Treznor was blowing it out of proportion. Men are also victim to rape, they just may not report it as much as women do. Just because you don't report something doesn't mean it isn't happening. There just may not be statistics about it, but it's happening.

Are you insinuating that men are being raped on the same scale where women are being raped?

[Muravyets]

I'm done arguing with you. You consistently attempt to imply that my entire argument is based off of personal observations. You ignore every other sentence I post and focus on them. Unless you can address my notion that anti-feminism in and of itself have pro-male leanings because of what it is, I will no longer reply to anything you post. Good day.

Friend, that thing sticking out your back is a fork. You were done a long time ago, and you were cooked before I even showed up.

Yes, yes, I understand how annoying it can be when I focus on the thing that proves your entire argument is invalid instead of on the (invalidated) points you want me to focus on. If you don't want to keep being shown how you have failed, by all means, don't respond to my posts. But that doesn't mean I won't be commenting. Just in case you want to use that ignore function.

[Ifreann]

Unless its a 100% majority then some men get raped and therefore rape hurts men.

No, it means that rape hurts some men. Unless it's a massive majority like the amount of rape cases where the woman is the victim, it's not an issue directly involved with one's gender.

I don't know why you'd infer "Rape hurts a massive majority of both men and women" from "Rape hurts both men and women". But there you go.

[Neo Art]

So because she's making an argument you can't respond to, versus one you can, you're not going to continue the argument?

Well, thanks for conceding I guess. Most people would have at least made an effort, but it's big of you to at least admit when you've been outclassed

I suppose I'm done arguing with you as well if you're going to support picking and choosing which of my arguments I make to debate with and pretending that I didn't make the others.

"I won't discuss this with you unless you argue the points I made that I WANT you to argue, and not the points I made that I don't want you to argue".

Again, thanks for conceeding that you're unprepared to defend ALL the arguments you made. You made the argument, ALL of the arguments, you can't then bitch and moan about "picking and choosing" amongst those that YOU MADE.

[Treznor]

That would then ignore the research that indicates the vast majority of rape perpetrated on men goes unreported. Men may not be as statistically likely to rape other men as they are women, but when they do the victims are even less likely to report it.

It happens. A lot more than anyone realizes.

I'm sure it does but I'm also sure you're blowing it out of proportion.

What does proportion have to do with this discussion? It was pointed out that rape hurts women and men. You dismissed it as a fantasy. We've pointed out that men get raped, just like women. Now you say it's out of proportion? You're arguing against a statement of fact, which is all anyone has stated.

[Greater Americania]

I don't know why you'd infer "Rape hurts a massive majority of both men and women" from "Rape hurts both men and women". But there you go.

Ok. Fine. But let's rephrase it further: Rape hurts both men and women but it hurts women more and that's why the feminists choose to focus on it.

[Muravyets]

You dont...I mean it didn't occur…I mean…how the…alright, when confronted with the phrase "rape hurts men and women" you immediately go to the image of man as the rapist, and not the raped? Are you fucking shitting me? Did the thought that golly gee, men get raped too, just not penetrate your skull?

Now of course I'm going to make a guess, and that guess is that the vast majority of rape victims are women. Am I correct?

That would then ignore the research that indicates the vast majority of rape perpetrated on men goes unreported. Men may not be as statistically likely to rape other men as they are women, but when they do the victims are even less likely to report it.

It happens. A lot more than anyone realizes.

Especially to under-age males. Boys and young men who are in family situations may be more likely to be noticed as victims by the authorities, but boys and young men on their own, are highly likely to be attacked and highly unlikely to receive help as victims.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No, I don't think Treznor was blowing it out of proportion. Men are also victim to rape, they just may not report it as much as women do. Just because you don't report something doesn't mean it isn't happening. There just may not be statistics about it, but it's happening.

Are you insinuating that men are being raped on the same scale where women are being raped?

I don't know that to be insinuating it. What I know is that men too are victims of rape and just because they refuse to report it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

[Treznor]

I'm done arguing with you. You consistently attempt to imply that my entire argument is based off of personal observations. You ignore every other sentence I post and focus on them. Unless you can address my notion that anti-feminism in and of itself have pro-male leanings because of what it is, I will no longer reply to anything you post. Good day.

Friend, that thing sticking out your back is a fork. You were done a long time ago, and you were cooked before I even showed up.

Yes, yes, I understand how annoying it can be when I focus on the thing that proves your entire argument is invalid instead of on the (invalidated) points you want me to focus on. If you don't want to keep being shown how you have failed, by all means, don't respond to my posts. But that doesn't mean I won't be commenting. Just in case you want to use that ignore function.

I'm guessing his "foes" list is getting pretty long at this point.

[Greater Americania]

I don't know that to be insinuating it. What I know is that men too are victims of rape and just because they refuse to report it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

True.

[Neo Art]

I don't know why you'd infer "Rape hurts a massive majority of both men and women" from "Rape hurts both men and women". But there you go.

Ok. Fine. But let's rephrase it further: Rape hurts both men and women but it hurts women more and that's why the feminists choose to focus on it.

so feminists are....bad for wanting to end rape? Is that the point you're trying to make?

[Treznor]

I don't know why you'd infer "Rape hurts a massive majority of both men and women" from "Rape hurts both men and women". But there you go.

Ok. Fine. But let's rephrase it further: Rape hurts both men and women but it hurts women more and that's why the feminists choose to focus on it.

How does that in any way help your argument that feminists are wrong or unfairly biased?

[Neo Art]

I'm guessing his "foes" list is getting pretty long at this point.

[Concurria]

That would then ignore the research that indicates the vast majority of rape perpetrated on men goes unreported. Men may not be as statistically likely to rape other men as they are women, but when they do the victims are even less likely to report it.

It happens. A lot more than anyone realizes.

I'm sure it does but I'm also sure you're blowing it out of proportion.

No, I don't think Treznor was blowing it out of proportion. Men are also victim to rape, they just may not report it as much as women do. Just because you don't report something doesn't mean it isn't happening. There just may not be statistics about it, but it's happening.

We also are limited in how we view rape, too. Active male sexuality is viewed as an erection, but active female sexuality would (probably) be most typically viewed as the simple act of her consent. I think it's hard for most people to realize that a man laying down on a bed with an erection is not consent for a partner to come sit on him.

It just goes along that sexist line of thought that says "Men are always ready for sex."

[Greater Americania]

How does that in any way help your argument that feminists are wrong or unfairly biased?

It doesn't. It just resolves the issue.

[Neo Art]

We also are limited in how we view rape, too. Active male sexuality is viewed as an erection, but active female sexuality would (probably) be most typically viewed as the simple act of her consent. I think it's hard for most people to realize that a man laying down on a bed with an erection is not consent for a partner to come sit on him.

It also utterly ignores the reality of how most male victims of rape are actually raped.

[Dakini]

I don't know why you'd infer "Rape hurts a massive majority of both men and women" from "Rape hurts both men and women". But there you go.

Ok. Fine. But let's rephrase it further: Rape hurts both men and women but it hurts women more and that's why the feminists choose to focus on it.

Even if a man is not raped, but a female friend or relative is, he will be hurt by the rape. If a child's mother is raped, the child will be hurt by this. If a man's wife is raped by another man, he will be hurt by this. Rape affects not just the women who are raped but also those they are close to. The immediate victim may get hurt more, but it affects everyone in her life to some extent.

[Soheran]

I'm sure it does but I'm also sure you're blowing it out of proportion.

Note again: the "anti-feminist" disparages male suffering because it does not fit with his preferred picture of gender relations.

But it's the feminists who undervalue men... clearly.

[Greater Americania]

Even if a man is not raped, but a female friend or relative is, he will be hurt by the rape. If a child's mother is raped, the child will be hurt by this. If a man's wife is raped by another man, he will be hurt by this. Rape affects not just the women who are raped but also those they are close to. The immediate victim may get hurt more, but it affects everyone in her life to some extent.

Good points. But it affects these men indirectly and the women that were raped directly and that's why feminists focus on it.

[Neo Art]

I'm just not even sure in what twisted sense this argument is supposed to be coherent. Feminists are anti-male because they are...anti-rape.

What the fuck?

In fact, if one tried to put forth even the slightest bit of mental effort, one would see that his argument is inherently contradictory. The feminist movement is based on reducing disparities between genders. He also admits that women are SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to be the victim of sexual violence. And yet it's somehow a shock that an ideology that's predicated on reducing gender inequality would somehow find issue with violence perpetrated primarily against women?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm just not even sure in what twisted sense this argument is supposed to be coherent. Feminists are anti-male because they are...anti-rape.

What the fuck?

Dude, this is NSG.

[Concurria]

We also are limited in how we view rape, too. Active male sexuality is viewed as an erection, but active female sexuality would (probably) be most typically viewed as the simple act of her consent. I think it's hard for most people to realize that a man laying down on a bed with an erection is not consent for a partner to come sit on him.

It also utterly ignores the reality of how most male victims of rape are actually raped.

I think homosexual/bisexual rape is something that falls so far outside our typical thoughts, it isn't even considered.

Hell, I'm gay AND I DIDN'T CONSIDER IT! (Of course, granted, the only two men I know who have been raped were both raped with them as the penetrating, not the other way around.)

[Dakini]

Even if a man is not raped, but a female friend or relative is, he will be hurt by the rape. If a child's mother is raped, the child will be hurt by this. If a man's wife is raped by another man, he will be hurt by this. Rape affects not just the women who are raped but also those they are close to. The immediate victim may get hurt more, but it affects everyone in her life to some extent.

Good points. But it affects these men indirectly and the women that were raped directly and that's why feminists focus on it.

Why is focusing on problems related to rape a bad thing exactly? I think I missed this. Is it because they're not focused on stamping out all crime?

[Muravyets]

That would then ignore the research that indicates the vast majority of rape perpetrated on men goes unreported. Men may not be as statistically likely to rape other men as they are women, but when they do the victims are even less likely to report it.

It happens. A lot more than anyone realizes.

I'm sure it does but I'm also sure you're blowing it out of proportion.

What does proportion have to do with this discussion? It was pointed out that rape hurts women and men. You dismissed it as a fantasy. We've pointed out that men get raped, just like women. Now you say it's out of proportion? You're arguing against a statement of fact, which is all anyone has stated.

No, no, you're not following. See, clearly, if it can be argued that fewer men get raped than women, then that means that men are not hurt by rape. Clearly.

Feminism has probably clouded your mind. By being a feminist, you have allowed yourself to think like a woman, which is one of the many things that makes women not as good at stuff as men. GA obviously thinks like a man (or thinks he does, in a manly way), and that's why he was able to reach that easy conclusion.

Clearly.