Feminist man-haters

[Greater Americania]

Based on?

Name a topic. Men are atheletically superior, holding records in most major sports. Men are smarter, scoring higher on average on IQ tests. Etc, etc. However to get into specifics, you'll have to name a topic.

[Barringtonia]

That's not what I asked. Do you believe in the equality of the sexes?

No. I think that men are better at women at a lot of things.

Aside from getting women pregnant, and getting lost while driving, what things?

See, the proof that men are better is evidenced by the fact that they hold higher political and business positions, this means they run things better,

It cannot be due to ingrained societal expectations based on sex, cannot!

[Greater Americania]

Why?

*facepalm* Because you're ignoring every other thing I've said aside from my personal observations. I've stated that it's unideological. I've stated that anti-feminism in and of itself is pro-male entirely. Need I continue?

[Muravyets]

Why?

*facepalm* Because you're ignoring every other thing I've said aside from my personal observations. I've stated that it's unideological. I've stated that anti-feminism in and of itself is pro-male entirely. Need I continue?

I refer you back to my last post on this topic because you have added nothing new. You've said that over and over. And you have stated it is based on your own personal, undocumented observations. So, no, you need not continue until you come up with some fresh content. Because as it stands, you have nothing.

[Greater Americania]

See, the proof that men are better is evidenced by the fact that they hold higher political and business positions, this means they run things better,

It cannot be due to ingrained societal expectations based on sex, cannot!

How about based on the fact that male dominated businesses tend to rank higher on the company rankings? Ever factor that into your logic?

[Muravyets]

Based on?

Name a topic. Men are atheletically superior, holding records in most major sports. Men are smarter, scoring higher on average on IQ tests. Etc, etc. However to get into specifics, you'll have to name a topic.

How are men at giving men orgasms? I hope for your sake, they're good at it.

[Greater Americania]

I refer you back to my last post on this topic because you have added nothing new. You've said that over and over. And you have stated it is based on your own personal, undocumented observations. So, no, you need not continue until you come up with some fresh content. Because as it stands, you have nothing.

Your past post makes no mention of my argument mentioning the very nature of ideological thought.

[Barringtonia]

See, the proof that men are better is evidenced by the fact that they hold higher political and business positions, this means they run things better,

It cannot be due to ingrained societal expectations based on sex, cannot!

How about based on the fact that male dominated businesses tend to rank higher on the company rankings? Ever factor that into your logic?

Sure, male-dominated businesses are far more prevalent, by a country mile, males are expected to go into business and provide for the family, women should find a good husband and raise his children, simplified account but the basic societal expectations exist.

Women are outpacing men at schools now, ever factor that into your logic?

[Muravyets]

I refer you back to my last post on this topic because you have added nothing new. You've said that over and over. And you have stated it is based on your own personal, undocumented observations. So, no, you need not continue until you come up with some fresh content. Because as it stands, you have nothing.

Your past post makes no mention of my argument mentioning the very nature of ideological thought.

That's because like everything else you've argued, your notion about "ideological thought" is based on nothing but your claimed, unproven, undocumented, supposed observations. (Note the additional modifiers.) Therefore, it is invalid as an argument.

[Muravyets]

See, the proof that men are better is evidenced by the fact that they hold higher political and business positions, this means they run things better,

It cannot be due to ingrained societal expectations based on sex, cannot!

And it sure as shit and taxes can't be due to any actual discriminatory practices that have made it far more difficult for women to rise in positions of power, regardless of their merit, because the men who came before them choose to block their progress. No, that's just silly.

[Greater Americania]

Sure, male-dominated businesses are far more prevalent, by a country mile, males are expected to go into business and provide for the family, women should find a good husband and raise his children, simplified account but the basic societal expectations exist.

Women are outpacing men at schools now, ever factor that into your logic?

Prevalent was not the term I used. 'Rank higher' was. Aside from that, yes I have. It's an expected side consequence of the gender equalization of society. I think the term 'outpacing' is also a incorrect term in describing the occurances going. Women now actually have the ability to work their way up the Corporate ladder. Women are taking this opportunity and are now pouring into business and law schools while men are doing two things:

1) Entering fields that in past were considered "Women's work" such as Nursing.

2) Continueing on with their lives by studying what interests them in their higher educations. While currently women are interested in business, men are more interested in other topics. In the future I think that when women get used to being in the business world, the rate of women interested in it will decline based upon the fact that to women, the world of business is still new and interesting and in the future will not be.

[Greater Americania]

That's because like everything else you've argued, your notion about "ideological thought" is based on nothing but your claimed, unproven, undocumented, supposed observations. (Note the additional modifiers.) Therefore, it is invalid as an argument.

So you disagree with my notions that anti-feminism does work in men's interests via men's and father's rights groups and classify them as nothing more than 'claimed, unproven, undocumented, supposed observations'?

EDIT: Also, you on the contrary assert that these men's and father's rights groups lean in fact towards the anti-male stance as stated by the study?

[Muravyets]

That's because like everything else you've argued, your notion about "ideological thought" is based on nothing but your claimed, unproven, undocumented, supposed observations. (Note the additional modifiers.) Therefore, it is invalid as an argument.

So you disagree with my notions that anti-feminism does not work in men's interests via men's and father's rights groups and classify them as nothing more than 'claimed, unproven, undocumented, supposed observations'?

I dismiss all your notions about everything as invalid on the grounds that you have given me no reason to believe you didn't just make it all up on the spur of the moment.

If you had just come out and said that you were just expressing your own personal feelings, I would have less of an issue with your postings. I would still dismiss them, but only for being irrelevant and uninteresting, but not invalid.

But since you claimed a factual basis for your notions, and failed to present said basis, that makes your arguments invalid.

And I don't bother with invalid arguments.

[Barringtonia]

Prevalent was not the term I used. 'Rank higher' was.

Sure, but where there's a 10:1 ratio, by law of averages male dominated business will rank higher. Add to this historic context and it's even more likely.

Aside from that, yes I have. It's an expected side consequence of the gender equalization of society. I think the term 'outpacing' is also a incorrect term in describing the occurances going.

Not really, they perform better than boys at school. The percentage then going onto college has also risen dramatically, as opposed to dropping out and getting married. The percentage then going from college and into business is also rising, it's a bottom-up effect.

Women now actually have the ability to work their way up the Corporate ladder. Women are taking this opportunity and are now pouring into business and law schools while men are doing two things:

1) Entering fields that in past were considered "Women's work" such as Nursing.

2) Continueing on with their lives by studying what interests them in their higher educations. While currently women are interested in business, men are more interested in other topics. In the future I think that when women get used to being in the business world, the rate of women interested in it will decline based upon the fact that to women, the world of business is still new and interesting and in the future will not be.

This is a ridiculous assertion, are you saying that women view business as a trinket, a novelty? You're being very condescending,

You still haven't commented on the fact that you certainly did take the Dworkin quote , which was from a fiction book, spoken by a fictional character, out of context, completely.

Everything you seem to be writing comes from a false position,

[Greater Americania]

I dismiss all your notions about everything as invalid on the grounds that you have given me no reason to believe you didn't just make it all up on the spur of the moment.

I made up father's and men's rights organizations and movements up over the past moment? I had no idea I was such a creative genious that I have the capability of putting all those websites, writing all those articles, and organizing all those protests over the span of a few minutes. Wow, that makes me simply amazing.

[Muravyets]

I dismiss all your notions about everything as invalid on the grounds that you have given me no reason to believe you didn't just make it all up on the spur of the moment.

I made up father's and men's rights organizations and movements up over the past moment? I had no idea I was such a creative genious that I have the capability of putting all those websites, writing all those articles, and organizing all those protests over the span of a few minutes. Wow, that makes me simply amazing.

Please see my edits.

And the existence of those organizations has no more to do with your claimed supposed personal observations than the study mentioned in the topic does. You make yourself more irrelevant with each post.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Based on?

Name a topic. Men are atheletically superior, holding records in most major sports. Men are smarter, scoring higher on average on IQ tests. Etc, etc. However to get into specifics, you'll have to name a topic.

Men tend to have more musculature, but women actually tend to have greater flexibility, so it depends on the type of athletics you're talking about. As for intelligence, what I've heard is that women have a slightly higher average IQ, but that male IQ has a larger standard deviation, that there are more males with retardation and more male geniuses. However, I could be wrong.

[Barringtonia]

I dismiss all your notions about everything as invalid on the grounds that you have given me no reason to believe you didn't just make it all up on the spur of the moment.

I made up father's and men's rights organizations and movements up over the past moment? I had no idea I was such a creative genious that I have the capability of putting all those websites, writing all those articles, and organizing all those protests over the span of a few minutes. Wow, that makes me simply amazing.

I would argue that groups such as fathers for justice should be absolutely in step with feminism, it's about equality before the law,

The fact that these groups have an element, just as feminist groups have an element, of anti-opposite sex view-holders does not mean the majority do, and absolutely not that they should.

As a father I can fight for my right to have equal standing in front of the law when it comes to care and access to my children but that is not an anti-feminist position, it's a position that is actually grounded in the unequal expectations for males and females.

To be honest, feminism frees men as much as it does women.

[Greater Americania]

Sure, but where there's a 10:1 ratio, by law of averages male dominated business will rank higher. Add to this historic context and it's even more likely.

How so? In fact, the ratio implies that men are better at women than manging and thus the companies that they dominate manage to vastly supercede those where women have a greater hold.

Not really, they perform better than boys at school. The percentage then going onto college has also risen dramatically, as opposed to dropping out and getting married. The percentage then going from college and into business is also rising, it's a bottom-up effect.

Oh really? Check your facts. The main thing girls are better than men at in schools here in the United States is writing. Boys still dominate girls at mathmatics.

This is a ridiculous assertion, are you saying that women view business as a trinket, a novelty? You're being very condescending,

Everything you seem to be writing comes from a false position,

No, I'm asserting that women are interested in business as it is something new and I'm saying that should society continue gender equalization, men and women would eventually even out as that initial interest would die down like men's already has simply because men have ran the vast majority of business across history.

[Greater Americania]

And the existence of those organizations has no more to do with your claimed supposed personal observations than the study mentioned in the topic does. You make yourself more irrelevant with each post.

The philosophies of these organizations make up the ideology that is anti-feminism because they oppose feminism. Try again.

[Greater Americania]

Men tend to have more musculature, but women actually tend to have greater flexibility, so it depends on the type of athletics you're talking about. As for intelligence, what I've heard is that women have a slightly higher average IQ, but that male IQ has a larger standard deviation, that there are more males with retardation and more male geniuses. However, I could be wrong.

You're right about deviation, men in general have a slightly higher IQ.

[Greater Americania]

I would argue that groups such as fathers for justice should be absolutely in step with feminism, it's about equality before the law,

The fact that these groups have an element, just as feminist groups have an element, of anti-opposite sex view-holders does not mean the majority do, and absolutely not that they should.

As a father I can fight for my right to have equal standing in front of the law when it comes to care and access to my children but that is not an anti-feminist position, it's a position that is actually grounded in the unequal expectations for males and females.

To be honest, feminism frees men as much as it does women.

However, they're not. These groups side with the anti-feminist camp and comprise it almost entirely. They oppose feminism and view it as being against what it claims to support, making them anti-feminists. Like I've stated before many anti-feminists beleive in gender equality. Many feminists beleive in gender equality. This means that many people from both camps believe in the exact same thing but disagree on what the right approach is to it.

[Barringtonia]

How so? In fact, the ratio implies that men are better at women than manging and thus the companies that they dominate manage to vastly supercede those where women have a greater hold.

Good lord, that I should have predicted this...

Oh really? Check your facts. The main thing girls are better than men at in schools here in the United States is writing. Boys still dominate girls at mathematics

Again, societal expectations based on historic assumptions means males go into maths and science and females should go into more social subjects, much as males should go into business and politics and women should take care of the home, this is nothing to do with inherent ability as such but much to do with cultural & societal modes and expectations.

No, I'm asserting that women are interested in business as it is something new and I'm saying that should society continue gender equalization, men and women would eventually even out as that initial interest would die down like men's already has simply because men have ran the vast majority of business across history.

Ah, so the reason women are catching up is due to the fact that men are tired of dominating the world and are looking to catch up on their sewing skills,

Sure,

[Zergbosha]

I have to say that neither man nor woman is better than the other inherently. The gender of the person, especially in this day and age, has practically no impact on how good they are in a general aspect. While I do admit that there are a few things that have shown a correlation between performance and gender most of them are useless things in the world today, or are so small they might as well not be considered. I say if you want to grade people on a general scale use being a productive member of society. Both men and women have plenty of people both productive and leeches. Just because men hold a greater number of higher offices doesn't mean they are better, it means that the world is still sexist, whether they will admit it or not. I work in a company that has a female CEO who came on with us recently, and she has done a great number of things better than the male CEO that stepped down. The gender of the person really doesn't have much to do with it, the people themselves do.

[Bottle]

Guys, seriously, don't even bother arguing with somebody who's playing the "men have higher IQ and do better at sports" game. At least not until he produces something beyond his own personal trolling, erm, I mean opinions.