Feminist man-haters

[Saint Clair Island]

These studies are performed by people with far too much time on their hands and not enough work to do. lol

He said, posting on an internet forum.

Making a few posts on an internet forum doesn't mean you have too much free time, if it's a reasonable number.

Making 534 posts on an internet forum, on the other hand...

[Loya386]

Completely agree with Bottle and Poliwanacraca, as well as all the other posters in the past few pages who've pointed out the obvious: People who believe there is some sort of biological chasm between men and women that prevents normal interaction will be more likely to engage in pointless gender-based social rituals, and will be more likely to see women and men as two "sides" engaged in constant warfare.

This is yet more evidence that gender roles are detrimental to everyone.

[Smunkeeville]

Completely agree with Bottle and Poliwanacraca, as well as all the other posters in the past few pages who've pointed out the obvious: People who believe there is some sort of biological chasm between men and women that prevents normal interaction will be more likely to engage in pointless gender-based social rituals, and will be more likely to see women and men as two "sides" engaged in constant warfare.

This is yet more evidence that gender roles are detrimental to everyone.

You should post more.

[Poliwanacraca]

Completely agree with Bottle and Poliwanacraca, as well as all the other posters in the past few pages who've pointed out the obvious: People who believe there is some sort of biological chasm between men and women that prevents normal interaction will be more likely to engage in pointless gender-based social rituals, and will be more likely to see women and men as two "sides" engaged in constant warfare.

This is yet more evidence that gender roles are detrimental to everyone.

You should post more.

Indeed! It's cool to see a n00bling who uses complete, grammatically correct sentences to make rational, thoughtful points. We need more of those. (And I promise I'm not just saying that because one of those points was to completely agree with me. )

[Saint Clair Island]

Completely agree with Bottle and Poliwanacraca, as well as all the other posters in the past few pages who've pointed out the obvious: People who believe there is some sort of biological chasm between men and women that prevents normal interaction will be more likely to engage in pointless gender-based social rituals, and will be more likely to see women and men as two "sides" engaged in constant warfare.

This is yet more evidence that gender roles are detrimental to everyone.

You should post more.

Indeed! It's cool to see a n00bling who uses complete, grammatically correct sentences to make rational, thoughtful points. We need more of those. (And I promise I'm not just saying that because one of those points was to completely agree with me. )

Considering that the usual fare around here tends to be along the lines of "I think abortion is a pretty cool guy, eh kills babies and doesn't afraid of anything", thirded. But I think you should have agreed with me; way too many people agree with Bottle and Poli already.

[Iron Chariots]

Since when is disagreement considered a come-on?

Well actually, around here it probably is.

"That's right baby, debate the merits of the capital gains tax at me! Oooh yeah, debate it hard. Now tell me about your thoughts on socialized medicine. Oh god, I think my paradigm is about to shift..."

Oh god, that was so hot. You clearly know how to please a man.

But yeah, as for the OP, it's not surprising. Of all the feminists I know (including myself, a heterosexual white male feminist antihomophobe antiracist and generally anti-bigot), not a single one is a "man-hater." Indeed, a large portion of them enjoy nothing more than having sex with men. But I suppose that's just more of my feminist man-hating, claiming that wimminz enjoy sex too!

[North Suran]

These studies are performed by people with far too much time on their hands and not enough work to do. lol

He said, posting on an internet forum.

Making a few posts on an internet forum doesn't mean you have too much free time, if it's a reasonable number.

Making 534 posts on an internet forum, on the other hand...

So 1929 posts would be...?

Jokes, I love you really, don't smite me with your Hammer of Thor

[Minnas]

Since when is disagreement considered a come-on?

Well actually, around here it probably is.

"That's right baby, debate the merits of the capital gains tax at me! Oooh yeah, debate it hard. Now tell me about your thoughts on socialized medicine. Oh god, I think my paradigm is about to shift..."

Oh god, that was so hot. You clearly know how to please a man.

That's Bottle alright. Hot and fucking scary.

Whiz kid, I bet you can construct that artificial brain in your spare time.

[Enadail]

But yeah, as for the OP, it's not surprising. Of all the feminists I know (including myself, a heterosexual white male feminist antihomophobe antiracist and generally anti-bigot), not a single one is a "man-hater." Indeed, a large portion of them enjoy nothing more than having sex with men. But I suppose that's just more of my feminist man-hating, claiming that wimminz enjoy sex too!

That's interesting, because I have the opposite, albeit small, experience. Back in college, when I was a Junior, the college was undergoing some merging, part of which was that the all-female Douglass College was gonna be absorbed into the University at large while remaining a separate program (note that it wasn't the only college being merged in, thus was not being specially picked on). Douglass girls rallied against the merger like no matter, regardless of how many concessions were made. They wanted the rest of the University to merge while remaining its own separate college. I saw some merit to their early arguments, and so I actually went to one rally to side with them. As soon as I got off the bus, I was heckled, called a number of sexist names I can't post here, and instantly decided I couldn't care less to support their cause.

[Bottle]

Completely agree with Bottle and Poliwanacraca, as well as all the other posters in the past few pages who've pointed out the obvious: People who believe there is some sort of biological chasm between men and women that prevents normal interaction will be more likely to engage in pointless gender-based social rituals, and will be more likely to see women and men as two "sides" engaged in constant warfare.

This is yet more evidence that gender roles are detrimental to everyone.

Oy, yes. Traditional anti-feminist gender roles are all about pitting men against women and women against men. I don't personally believe it is possible to have a meaningful relationship of any kind, if you perceive your partner as both alien and enemy.

[Galloism]

Completely agree with Bottle and Poliwanacraca, as well as all the other posters in the past few pages who've pointed out the obvious: People who believe there is some sort of biological chasm between men and women that prevents normal interaction will be more likely to engage in pointless gender-based social rituals, and will be more likely to see women and men as two "sides" engaged in constant warfare.

This is yet more evidence that gender roles are detrimental to everyone.

Oy, yes. Traditional anti-feminist gender roles are all about pitting men against women and women against men. I don't personally believe it is possible to have a meaningful relationship of any kind, if you perceive your partner as both alien and enemy.

Sounds like my first relationship.

[Bottle]

But yeah, as for the OP, it's not surprising. Of all the feminists I know (including myself, a heterosexual white male feminist antihomophobe antiracist and generally anti-bigot), not a single one is a "man-hater." Indeed, a large portion of them enjoy nothing more than having sex with men. But I suppose that's just more of my feminist man-hating, claiming that wimminz enjoy sex too!

That's interesting, because I have the opposite, albeit small, experience. Back in college, when I was a Junior, the college was undergoing some merging, part of which was that the all-female Douglass College was gonna be absorbed into the University at large while remaining a separate program (note that it wasn't the only college being merged in, thus was not being specially picked on). Douglass girls rallied against the merger like no matter, regardless of how many concessions were made. They wanted the rest of the University to merge while remaining its own separate college. I saw some merit to their early arguments, and so I actually went to one rally to side with them. As soon as I got off the bus, I was heckled, called a number of sexist names I can't post here, and instantly decided I couldn't care less to support their cause.

And yet again we see someone confusing "female" with "feminist" and vice versa.

[Eofaerwic]

Considering that the usual fare around here tends to be along the lines of "I think abortion is a pretty cool guy, eh kills babies and doesn't afraid of anything", thirded. But I think you should have agreed with me; way too many people agree with Bottle and Poli already.

I know, damn them for being right so often!

[Bottle]

Considering that the usual fare around here tends to be along the lines of "I think abortion is a pretty cool guy, eh kills babies and doesn't afraid of anything", thirded. But I think you should have agreed with me; way too many people agree with Bottle and Poli already.

I find it's generally pretty easy to get people to agree with me, when I'm arguing for increased personal freedoms, better jobs at better pay, and an increase in the amount of enthusiastic sex being had by the population at large.

[Iniika]

I love gender studies myself, though I do think its somewhat unfairly tilted towards women. Don't get me wrong, I understand why this is and I do consider myself a feminist, but its seems that while women have been allowed great leaps of freedom within their gender with the feminist movement, men still seem more or less trapped within their gender expectations. That is to say that while women have been allowed social access to the whole range of gender perspectives, men seem to still be narrowly confined in the 'masculine' region. I find this fascinating. Maybe I'll study it one day, if I find a large sum of money to put to no greater use than an extra arm on my University career.

[Bottle]

I love gender studies myself, though I do think its somewhat unfairly tilted towards women. Don't get me wrong, I understand why this is and I do consider myself a feminist, but its seems that while women have been allowed great leaps of freedom within their gender with the feminist movement, men still seem more or less trapped within their gender expectations. That is to say that while women have been allowed social access to the whole range of gender perspectives, men seem to still be narrowly confined in the 'masculine' region. I find this fascinating. Maybe I'll study it one day, if I find a large sum of money to put to no greater use than an extra arm on my University career.

It's actually pretty simple:

Maleness/masculinity is perceived as stronger, smarter, more rational, and generally superior.
Femaleness/femininity is likewise weaker, dumber, more foolish, and generally inferior.

Thus, if a woman aspires to "masculine" roles, or takes on "masculine" characteristics, this makes sense because she is trying to rise above her lowly female status.

However, if a male seeks out "feminine" roles or takes on "feminine" characteristics, he is a freak because he is inexplicably choosing to become less worthy and less valued.

You are correct in that this is an example of how Patriarchy Hurts Men Too. But you are incorrect in thinking that this has anything to do with things being unfairly tilted in favor of women. Rather, it is a phenomenon caused by the fact that females, femaleness, and anything considered "feminine" are regarded as inferior.

[Iron Chariots]

I love gender studies myself, though I do think its somewhat unfairly tilted towards women. Don't get me wrong, I understand why this is and I do consider myself a feminist, but its seems that while women have been allowed great leaps of freedom within their gender with the feminist movement, men still seem more or less trapped within their gender expectations. That is to say that while women have been allowed social access to the whole range of gender perspectives, men seem to still be narrowly confined in the 'masculine' region. I find this fascinating. Maybe I'll study it one day, if I find a large sum of money to put to no greater use than an extra arm on my University career.

I would suspect that it's because "masculine" things are considered superior to "feminine" things. So women wanting to be allowed to do the things that men traditionally do is praiseworthy-- they're trying to reach up and take equality. But men who accept "feminine" roles are "lowering" themselves to the level of a woman.

[Saint Clair Island]

He said, posting on an internet forum.

Making a few posts on an internet forum doesn't mean you have too much free time, if it's a reasonable number.

Making 534 posts on an internet forum, on the other hand...

So 1929 posts would be...?

Jokes, I love you really, don't smite me with your Hammer of Thor

I dunno, but 1,935 posts is "pure awesome". *nods*

Considering that the usual fare around here tends to be along the lines of "I think abortion is a pretty cool guy, eh kills babies and doesn't afraid of anything", thirded. But I think you should have agreed with me; way too many people agree with Bottle and Poli already.

I find it's generally pretty easy to get people to agree with me, when I'm arguing for increased personal freedoms, better jobs at better pay, and an increase in the amount of enthusiastic sex being had by the population at large.

Yeah, I sometimes wonder about that. Why on earth do people want more freedom, more money, and more sex? It seems so irrational compared to my ideals of less personal freedom, worse jobs with lower pay, and banning all forms of sexual pleasure.

[Iron Chariots]

I love gender studies myself, though I do think its somewhat unfairly tilted towards women. Don't get me wrong, I understand why this is and I do consider myself a feminist, but its seems that while women have been allowed great leaps of freedom within their gender with the feminist movement, men still seem more or less trapped within their gender expectations. That is to say that while women have been allowed social access to the whole range of gender perspectives, men seem to still be narrowly confined in the 'masculine' region. I find this fascinating. Maybe I'll study it one day, if I find a large sum of money to put to no greater use than an extra arm on my University career.

It's actually pretty simple:

Maleness/masculinity is perceived as stronger, smarter, more rational, and generally superior.
Femaleness/femininity is likewise weaker, dumber, more foolish, and generally inferior.

Thus, if a woman aspires to "masculine" roles, or takes on "masculine" characteristics, this makes sense because she is trying to rise above her lowly female status.

However, if a male seeks out "feminine" roles or takes on "feminine" characteristics, he is a freak because he is inexplicably choosing to become less worthy and less valued.

You are correct in that this is an example of how Patriarchy Hurts Men Too. But you are incorrect in thinking that this has anything to do with things being unfairly tilted in favor of women. Rather, it is a phenomenon caused by the fact that females, femaleness, and anything considered "feminine" are regarded as inferior.

Damnit. Beat me to it AND phrased it much better than I ever could have. Stop being so smart!

[Enadail]

And yet again we see someone confusing "female" with "feminist" and vice versa.

Errrr... when someone labels themselves as feminists, who am I to argue? The rally was described as a "pro-feminism" rally, that merging the campus was an attack on female independence.

[Greater Americania]

Oh bullshit. Something was done wrong in that study to make it have that result. As an anti-feminist that formerly participated heavily in the anti-feminist communities I've see firsthand the anti-feminist and feminist attitudes towards the gender issue, women, and men. The majority of feminists I've came across always had some sort of anti-male bias. Alot of them claimed to have been raped, etc.

Anti-feminist groups on the contrary tend to bias towards pro-male policies while Feminist groups to the opposite. For example, F4J or Fathers for Justice is one of the major anti-feminist groups in America and it advocates changing the court system's method of handing over children to the mother in divorces to instead hand them over to the fathers.

I can't prove it because I don't know of any studies on the matter but I've seen it for myself so there's no convincing me otherwise. However I will argue that the study appear to be biased on the grounds that three people that have conducted the study are women (and thus more inclined than males towards the feminist cause).

[Saint Clair Island]

Oh bullshit. Something was done wrong in that study to make it have that result. As an anti-feminist that formerly participated heavily in the anti-feminist communities I've see firsthand the anti-feminist and feminist attitudes towards the gender issue, women, and men. The majority of feminists I've came across always had some sort of anti-male bias. Alot of them claimed to have been raped, etc.

Wow, you think that could result in an anti-male bias? I'm awfully surprised.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Oh bullshit. Something was done wrong in that study to make it have that result. As an anti-feminist that formerly participated heavily in the anti-feminist communities I've see firsthand the anti-feminist and feminist attitudes towards the gender issue, women, and men. The majority of feminists I've came across always had some sort of anti-male bias. Alot of them claimed to have been raped, etc.

Anti-feminist groups on the contrary tend to bias towards pro-male policies while Feminist groups to the opposite. For example, F4J or Fathers for Justice is one of the major anti-feminist groups in America and it advocates changing the court system's method of handing over children to the mother in divorces to instead hand them over to the fathers.

I can't prove it because I don't know of any studies on the matter but I've seen it for myself so there's no convincing me otherwise. However I will argue that the study appear to be biased on the grounds that three people that have conducted the study are women (and thus more inclined than males towards the feminist cause).

So because it contradicts your anecdotal evidence and preconceived notions, it's a flawed study?

[Bottle]

Oh bullshit. Something was done wrong in that study to make it have that result. As an anti-feminist that formerly participated heavily in the anti-feminist communities I've see firsthand the anti-feminist and feminist attitudes towards the gender issue, women, and men. The majority of feminists I've came across always had some sort of anti-male bias.

Feel free to provide a study of your own to support your claim.

Alot of them claimed to have been raped, etc.

Given that between a third and one half of women have been raped, depending on where you live, is that remotely surprising?

Anti-feminist groups on the contrary tend to bias towards pro-male policies while Feminist groups to the opposite. For example, F4J or Fathers for Justice is one of the major anti-feminist groups in America and it advocates changing the court system's method of handing over children to the mother in divorces to instead hand them over to the fathers.

Oh this is going to get fun real fast...

I can't prove it because I don't know of any studies on the matter but I've seen it for myself so there's no convincing me otherwise.

Well, at least we got that up front, so nobody will mistake you for a rational or informed person who is interested in having meaningful discussion on this topic.

[Bottle]

Oh bullshit. Something was done wrong in that study to make it have that result. As an anti-feminist that formerly participated heavily in the anti-feminist communities I've see firsthand the anti-feminist and feminist attitudes towards the gender issue, women, and men. The majority of feminists I've came across always had some sort of anti-male bias. Alot of them claimed to have been raped, etc.

Wow, you think that could result in an anti-male bias? I'm awfully surprised.

You bolded the wrong word. See, his point was that they CLAIMED to be raped. In other words, he thinks that they are lying about having been raped because they have an anti-male bias, rather than that any anti-male bias on their part might arise from having been violently assaulted by a man.