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Postby PrncssOfCuddles » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:15 pm

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PrncssOfCuddles wrote:Dimmesdale Condemned only himself. It was the town that condemned Hester


:palm: Head getting banged against the headboard too much? :p

HEHEHE you implied that I'm a slut! You are so cute.

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Postby Mosasauria » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:16 pm

Yeah, I'm starting to wonder whether relationships are even worth it.
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Postby PrncssOfCuddles » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:18 pm

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Ifreann wrote:I suppose I'm a bit late for a "Baby don't hurt me" post.

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I hate you.

I love him <3

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Postby PrncssOfCuddles » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:18 pm

Mosasauria wrote:Yeah, I'm starting to wonder whether relationships are even worth it.

If you are wondering this, your current relationship may not be worth it.

Some are, some aren't.

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Postby Mosasauria » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:21 pm

PrncssOfCuddles wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:Yeah, I'm starting to wonder whether relationships are even worth it.

If you are wondering this, your current relationship may not be worth it.

Some are, some aren't.

I'm not in a relationship.
You could call me a failed romantic; the lightest ending to one of my relationships was whent the girl moved away. She was my first girlfriend, and my best so far...
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Postby PrncssOfCuddles » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:23 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
PrncssOfCuddles wrote:If you are wondering this, your current relationship may not be worth it.

Some are, some aren't.

I'm not in a relationship.
You could call me a failed romantic; the lightest ending to one of my relationships was whent the girl moved away. She was my first girlfriend, and my best so far...

My brain is too breaky today, but yeah, hang in there, it gets better, youll find someone etc

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Postby Geniasis » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:45 pm

Bottle wrote:The fear of many wait-til-marriagers is that it's only special the first time or with the first person, and they want to reserve that specialness for just the right person. Happily, sex doesn't work that way, but you only find that out with experience.


I imagine this is not universally true, and varies depending on the person. With respect, I'm not willing to take the risk to find out.
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Postby Arkinesia » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:56 pm

Bottle wrote:The fear of many wait-til-marriagers is that it's only special the first time or with the first person, and they want to reserve that specialness for just the right person. Happily, sex doesn't work that way, but you only find that out with experience.

I just fail to see how one can determine that sex isn't indicative of a commitment, unless you're of the opinion that single parenting should be encouraged.

Granted, it's not always for procreation (for crying out loud, even the Bible doesn't claim so, read some of Paul's writings), but there's symbolism evident in it, from a relational perspective.
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Postby Bottle » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:02 pm

Geniasis wrote:
Bottle wrote:The fear of many wait-til-marriagers is that it's only special the first time or with the first person, and they want to reserve that specialness for just the right person. Happily, sex doesn't work that way, but you only find that out with experience.


I imagine this is not universally true, and varies depending on the person. With respect, I'm not willing to take the risk to find out.

I don't think it's POSSIBLE for it to not be universally true. Sex simply is not the same with a different partner, assuming that you have anything approaching an interactive sex life.
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Postby Bottle » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:06 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Bottle wrote:The fear of many wait-til-marriagers is that it's only special the first time or with the first person, and they want to reserve that specialness for just the right person. Happily, sex doesn't work that way, but you only find that out with experience.

I just fail to see how one can determine that sex isn't indicative of a commitment, unless you're of the opinion that single parenting should be encouraged.

Granted, it's not always for procreation

That's kind of a major point to dismiss. I've been fucking for over a decade at this point, and I have never at any point been even remotely willing to consider procreation. To me, the possibility of procreation resulting from sex is like the possibility of getting a urinary tract infection; it's an annoying potential side effect that I protect myself against by having safe sex.

Arkinesia wrote: but there's symbolism evident in it, from a relational perspective.

Not for me. Sex has never carried any assumption of commitment, aside from the commitment to be respectful and kind toward each other both during the experience and during any potential medical fallout (such as if somebody gets an STD or pregnant or whatever). But then, I believe it's wrong to ever assume that there is a commitment in that sense; I believe one should always talk about such things clearly and openly, and one should never, under any circumstances, make assumptions about something that is so important to you.
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Postby Tokos » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:09 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:While not a big fan of Nietzsche, (ok i hate the little bastard). I will agree that monogamy is over rated.


I think it's absolutely necessary in many circumstances - childrearing being the obvious - but how can anyone hate Nietzsche? It would be like hating Darth Vader - you don't have to agree with him but you have to admire his style and one-liners.

That's kind of a major point to dismiss. I've been fucking for over a decade at this point, and I have never at any point been even remotely willing to consider procreation. To me, the possibility of procreation resulting from sex is like the possibility of getting a urinary tract infection; it's an annoying potential side effect that I protect myself against by having safe sex.


This is something people are never going to agree on because the nature of fighting against nature like this is that it's either a sick, doomed rebellion (chase nature out with a pitchfork etc) that's going to distort human relations, or an excellent example of the noble human drive to stick two fingers up at biological limitations, depending on one's worldview.

Though technically there's no such thing as safe sex… don't condoms have like a 2% failure rate with perfect use?
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Postby Kobeanare » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:20 pm

Tokos wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:While not a big fan of Nietzsche, (ok i hate the little bastard). I will agree that monogamy is over rated.


I think it's absolutely necessary in many circumstances - childrearing being the obvious

How so?

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Postby Tokos » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:22 pm

Tracing of paternity seems to be a prerequisite of civilisation. I suppose polygamy is an option, but maths casts doubt on its utility. Certainly wherever it appears it seems to result in the local big man hoarding wives, which can not be good for social stability at all!
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:24 pm

Tokos wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:While not a big fan of Nietzsche, (ok i hate the little bastard). I will agree that monogamy is over rated.


I think it's absolutely necessary in many circumstances - childrearing being the obvious - but how can anyone hate Nietzsche? It would be like hating Darth Vader - you don't have to agree with him but you have to admire his style and one-liners.

That's kind of a major point to dismiss. I've been fucking for over a decade at this point, and I have never at any point been even remotely willing to consider procreation. To me, the possibility of procreation resulting from sex is like the possibility of getting a urinary tract infection; it's an annoying potential side effect that I protect myself against by having safe sex.


This is something people are never going to agree on because the nature of fighting against nature like this is that it's either a sick, doomed rebellion (chase nature out with a pitchfork etc) that's going to distort human relations, or an excellent example of the noble human drive to stick two fingers up at biological limitations, depending on one's worldview.

Though technically there's no such thing as safe sex… don't condoms have like a 2% failure rate with perfect use?


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I acknowledge Nietzsche’s intellect, his classical interpretations are remarkable, and though his philosophies were part of Nazi thinking, he was no anti semite., But that is one boy who needed someone to kick the shit out of him a few dozen times, and maybe his ethical writings would have been a little more humane.

I agree for the most part, it is better for kids to be with their biological parents but that by definition does not require monogamy, both parents can have side pieces, so to speak
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:03 pm

Uirupuran wrote:I actually don't give a shit to sex.

Hunh... Not my thing but if you like scat, go for it...
Uirupuran wrote:I think that sex is so damn overrated.

You're doing it wrong then.
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:10 pm

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Lyuboftopia wrote:I hope you know that you can get an STD during marriage, you do know that, right?
It's not like a magical guy in the sky gives people who have sex not in marriage an STD and people who are not. It just does not work that way!


Monogamy prevents STDs. This is not rocket science.

No it doesn't.
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:21 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:"Love, Dating, Sex, and Marriage." One of these things does not belong.

Did I choose correctly?
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Postby Bottle » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:21 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:"Love, Dating, Sex, and Marriage." One of these things does not belong.

Did I choose correctly?

I was going to guess "marriage", since it is the only one of the three that gay people are legally barred form engaging in.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:22 pm

Bottle wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Did I choose correctly?

I was going to guess "marriage", since it is the only one of the three that gay people are legally barred form engaging in.


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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:23 pm

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Uirupuran wrote:I think that sex is so damn overrated.

You're doing it wrong then.


Dyakovo speaks truth.

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They got you working too hard, or something man - don't see you around here hardly, no more.
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:25 pm

Bottle wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Did I choose correctly?

I was going to guess "marriage", since it is the only one of the three that gay people are legally barred form engaging in.

I'm pretty sure that's the one Parkus meant... (marriage)
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Postby Mosasauria » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:46 pm

Uirupuran wrote:I actually don't give a shit to sex. If it's after or before the marriage, if it's in the first date or not. I don't care, don't care at all. I don't care if I will make sex or not. If I find an interesting girl, a girl that I love, then I would do it. If I don't find a girl like that, I don't do it. And I'm not the kind of person that is always after sex. I can live pretty good without it.

I think that sex is so damn overrated.

Only thing you are correct on.
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Postby Arkinesia » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:56 pm

Bottle wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Did I choose correctly?

I was going to guess "marriage", since it is the only one of the three that gay people are legally barred form engaging in.

In some countries they can't even date.

Your point…hmm…
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Postby Saurisisia » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:03 pm

I haven't had any experience in this sort of matter. At all.
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:04 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
Uirupuran wrote:I actually don't give a shit to sex. If it's after or before the marriage, if it's in the first date or not. I don't care, don't care at all. I don't care if I will make sex or not. If I find an interesting girl, a girl that I love, then I would do it. If I don't find a girl like that, I don't do it. And I'm not the kind of person that is always after sex. I can live pretty good without it.

I think that sex is so damn overrated.

Only thing you are correct on.

I'll say to you what I said to him: You're doing it wrong then.
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