Gay "Conversion" and Children

[Takaram]

Personally, it sounds like a plot to spread AIDS to me. I mean, it's not like condoms are going to be readily available, and if you lock away a bunch of gay teenagers together long enough, something's probably going to happen.

How will that spread AIDS?

People + Sex - condoms = High chance of disease being spread

[Rolamec]

I think this is the result of a largely ignored fact about sexuality: It isn't that black and white. Being gay doesn't mean you're exclusively gay, being straight doesn't mean you are exclusively straight. The old joke about "we're are all a bit bisexual" probably holds some truth. After all sexual gratification can be derived from both sexes towards the same or opposite sex.

I do believe in preference, however. That is you hold a certain leaning towards one or the opposite sex. But the idea that you can "cure" homosexuality simply holds no truth to it, because sexuality isn't a disease, it isn't all genetics. It's largely preference with a slight bit of biology.

[Deus in Machina]

Perhaps he became secretly ordained down the road.

He was a monk, actually. Sure, he didn't look the part. Some would say he didn't act the part, either. But deep down, he was a brother.

If monks got to wear Thriller jackets, I would take the vows right here, right now.

[Deus in Machina]

I think this is the result of a largely ignored fact about sexuality: It isn't that black and white. Being gay doesn't mean you're exclusively gay, being straight doesn't mean you are exclusively straight. The old joke about "we're are all a bit bisexual" probably holds some truth. After all sexual gratification can be derived from both sexes towards the same or opposite sex.

I do believe in preference, however. That is you hold a certain leaning towards one or the opposite sex. But the idea that you can "cure" homosexuality simply holds no truth to it, because sexuality isn't a disease, it isn't all genetics. It's largely preference with a slight bit of biology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

[Rolamec]

I think this is the result of a largely ignored fact about sexuality: It isn't that black and white. Being gay doesn't mean you're exclusively gay, being straight doesn't mean you are exclusively straight. The old joke about "we're are all a bit bisexual" probably holds some truth. After all sexual gratification can be derived from both sexes towards the same or opposite sex.

I do believe in preference, however. That is you hold a certain leaning towards one or the opposite sex. But the idea that you can "cure" homosexuality simply holds no truth to it, because sexuality isn't a disease, it isn't all genetics. It's largely preference with a slight bit of biology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

Thanks? I've already heard of it...

[Parti Ouvrier]

Therapy should be based on restoring self-confidence and finding resolve with tension in situations likely caused by possible discrimination felt by people of different sexual orientation. Taking those feelings and having a "gay cure" not only deludes the ethics of therapy for ideological feelings on the grounds of sexual orientation, it can hardly be called therapy at all, and it is not what needs doing to help discrimination. In any other subject, we would implore people to be individuals and have self-esteem. But suddenly we have sexual orientation, and we must "fix" these individuals to the majority?

Calling this "therapy" is almost as bad as calling what went on in Abu Ghraib "therapy". It's abuse at best, and torture at worst.

Absolutely correct! Freedom of sexual expression should be tolerated.

[Deus in Machina]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

Thanks? I've already heard of it...

In hindsight, I don't know why I assumed you hadn't. Rather arrogant of me. In any case, its existence lends weight to your statement.

[Ceannairceach]

How will that spread AIDS?

People + Sex - condoms = High chance of disease being spread

...Assuming all these children are sex maniacs who have all had sex with someone with AIDS, right?

[Eladvisio]

This sounds like the "water boarding" of gay children...

This is wrong, utterly wrong.

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Dennis Gusrandra
Viceroy, Eladvisio

[Parti Ouvrier]

I think this is the result of a largely ignored fact about sexuality: It isn't that black and white. Being gay doesn't mean you're exclusively gay, being straight doesn't mean you are exclusively straight. The old joke about "we're are all a bit bisexual" probably holds some truth. After all sexual gratification can be derived from both sexes towards the same or opposite sex.

I do believe in preference, however. That is you hold a certain leaning towards one or the opposite sex. But the idea that you can "cure" homosexuality simply holds no truth to it, because sexuality isn't a disease, it isn't all genetics. It's largely preference with a slight bit of biology.

There is no evidence of any,(not even slight) biological-determinism.

[Wamitoria]

People + Sex - condoms = High chance of disease being spread

...Assuming all these children are sex maniacs who have all had sex with someone with AIDS, right?

It's plausible, but it seems to be based upon the 1980s "all gays have AIDS" stereotype more than anything.

[Buurdland]

Redemption is available for all of God's Children, and a parent would be a foul parent indeed if they allowed their child to sink into such depravity & rejection of God's Laws. Your opinion is of no consequence...their is God's Law & there is accepting The Serpent's Tongue as Truth. If my child were infected with such sin, I would do everything in my power to force it from them, if not just to save them, than to prevent it from spreading to other's.

I rofl'd. As if anyone actually BELIEVES in a god.

[JJ Place]

No. Is it legal to send adopted black kids to camps that tell them they are shit for being niggers and that they should will themselves white? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be.

This difference between black and being a homosexual is vast. Being black is literally a physical part of you. Unless you pull an MJ, if you're black you're black. Homosexuality -- whether you think it is natural or not -- is ultimately an action. You might feel a certain way, but it doesn't mean you have to act out on it.

That is a horrible comparison.

I dyed my hair blonde a few months ago, and then a dreaded my hair. That's a choice, and they's nothing wrong with that. Even if Homosexuality is a choice, they's nothing wrong with homosexuality, and definitely not for that reason; the argument that "Being Gay is a Choice" is just a simple scape-goat for something that's far deeper than simple ground-level excuses: pure, deep-rooted, misguided, hateful bigotry, unintelligent and wrong in all ways, shapes, and forms.

[Takaram]

People + Sex - condoms = High chance of disease being spread

...Assuming all these children are sex maniacs who have all had sex with someone with AIDS, right?

I was being sarcastic, but yeah, basically. They're a bunch of teenagers, and with the prevalence of HIV in this country, it's not impossible. Still, sarcastic.

[Los Cabreddes]

I think it's a very slippery slope, and one that we've already fallen too far on. I think we've already taken the "child abuse" logic further then we should have, and now we have cases like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/us/08 ... odayspaper

When I read something like this, I wonder just how little empathy most people. How can you not realize that if you don't believe something, YOU DON'T BELIEVE SOMETHING! Does it really not register?

People having a right to their religion should include more then a right to put a bumper sticker on their car. It should include having the right to live their religion, including at the family level. I understand that it ain't fun or pleasant or any of that, but neither are wrecks on interstate freeways:



GET REAL!

[Ceannairceach]

...Assuming all these children are sex maniacs who have all had sex with someone with AIDS, right?

I was being sarcastic, but yeah, basically. They're a bunch of teenagers, and with the prevalence of HIV in this country, it's not impossible. Still, sarcastic.

Sorry, my sarcasm/troll-O-meter has been on the fritz recently...

[Deus in Machina]

Redemption is available for all of God's Children, and a parent would be a foul parent indeed if they allowed their child to sink into such depravity & rejection of God's Laws. Your opinion is of no consequence...their is God's Law & there is accepting The Serpent's Tongue as Truth. If my child were infected with such sin, I would do everything in my power to force it from them, if not just to save them, than to prevent it from spreading to other's.

I rofl'd. As if anyone actually BELIEVES in a god.

[Ceannairceach]

I rofl'd. As if anyone actually BELIEVES in a god.

Could be taken in an atheistic or theistic way, actually.

[Buurdland]

I rofl'd. As if anyone actually BELIEVES in a god.

Wait...are you saying...ahahaha...you do?

[Los Cabreddes]

I rofl'd. As if anyone actually BELIEVES in a god.

Lots of people believe in God, and one would think that if you believe in something, it would affect your actions.

[Deus in Machina]

Wait...are you saying...ahahaha...you do?

Not in the traditional sense. But it was an extremely odd statement to make. Many, many people beleive in a deity of some sort. The majority of the world, in fact.

[Takaram]

I think it's a very slippery slope, and one that we've already fallen too far on. I think we've already taken the "child abuse" logic further then we should have, and now we have cases like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/us/08 ... odayspaper

When I read something like this, I wonder just how little empathy most people. How can you not realize that if you don't believe something, YOU DON'T BELIEVE SOMETHING! Does it really not register?

People having a right to their religion should include more then a right to put a bumper sticker on their car. It should include having the right to live their religion, including at the family level. I understand that it ain't fun or pleasant or any of that, but neither are wrecks on interstate freeways:

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GET REAL!

Belief doesn't justify abusing children.

[Wamitoria]

I think it's a very slippery slope, and one that we've already fallen too far on. I think we've already taken the "child abuse" logic further then we should have, and now we have cases like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/us/08 ... odayspaper

When I read something like this, I wonder just how little empathy most people. How can you not realize that if you don't believe something, YOU DON'T BELIEVE SOMETHING! Does it really not register?

People having a right to their religion should include more then a right to put a bumper sticker on their car. It should include having the right to live their religion, including at the family level. I understand that it ain't fun or pleasant or any of that, but neither are wrecks on interstate freeways:

(Image)

GET REAL!

Wait, which side of this argument are you on?

[Los Cabreddes]

I think it's a very slippery slope, and one that we've already fallen too far on. I think we've already taken the "child abuse" logic further then we should have, and now we have cases like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/us/08 ... odayspaper

When I read something like this, I wonder just how little empathy most people. How can you not realize that if you don't believe something, YOU DON'T BELIEVE SOMETHING! Does it really not register?

People having a right to their religion should include more then a right to put a bumper sticker on their car. It should include having the right to live their religion, including at the family level. I understand that it ain't fun or pleasant or any of that, but neither are wrecks on interstate freeways:

(Image)

GET REAL!

Belief doesn't justify abusing children.

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN???? WHO DEFINES ABUSE? WHY DO I ACCEPT YOUR DEFINITION OF ABUSE?

[Meryuma]

An act of sin is different than a lifetime of identifying as The Sin Itself. If my child said "I'm a homosexual", I would do everything I could to counteract it, but I would not physically harm them! My older brother became a homosexual when he went to college, but he was 18 & my parents had no way of helping him. We still don't see him, and it's been 6 year's. He had everything...a football scholarship, a beautiful girlfriend and he gave it all, including his family, because of a horrible choice. It's horrible, and damaging to families. My parents would have sent him to a camp, to any place that offered some hope. Why? Out of love, real love for their son, who could have had the world but chose to reject all of that. So sad.

Somehow I don't think driving your brother into a life of self-denial, self-hatred and depression is loving.

Also, if your family won't accept him, it's not the guy's problem. My family is perfectly accepting of my queerness, so stop projecting your repressive mentality onto all families everywhere.

BTW, when did you choose to be attracted to a girl you like? Unless you're asexual...