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by Izandai » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:54 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:54 pm
by Isolated China » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:54 pm
Deus in Machina wrote:Isolated China wrote:I'm pretty sure if they can make a law to where you don't have to pray to start a baseball game anymore, they can pass a law shutting down any camp that tries to harm someone. Because its basically physical abuse.
I don't think those two are at all comparable. I may be wrong, but I just can't see such a thing happening in America's current political climate. The fundamentalists have too much sway.
by Greed and Death » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:54 pm
by Deus in Machina » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:55 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:No. Is it legal to send adopted black kids to camps that tell them they are shit for being niggers and that they should will themselves white? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be.
by Takaram » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:55 pm
greed and death wrote:I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.
by Isolated China » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:55 pm
greed and death wrote:I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.
by Meryuma » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:56 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Meryuma wrote:If someone is old enough to be gay,
There is no age at which you are "old enough to be gay." Nor does being gay mark having reached a specific milestone developmentally. Just as there is no age at which you are old enough to be straight, the notion is ridiculous.
In this regard, there is really only an age at which you are old enough to be horny, to put it bluntly.
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by Deus in Machina » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:56 pm
Isolated China wrote:Deus in Machina wrote:I don't think those two are at all comparable. I may be wrong, but I just can't see such a thing happening in America's current political climate. The fundamentalists have too much sway.
Well America has laws against abuse. Even if its with the parents' consent, it is still illegal for a child to be abused.
by Greed and Death » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:56 pm
Takaram wrote:greed and death wrote:I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.
Wow... that really sucks... Sorry.
by Neo Arcad » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:57 pm
Deus in Machina wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:No. Is it legal to send adopted black kids to camps that tell them they are shit for being niggers and that they should will themselves white? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be.
I don't think there is a precedent for that. Maybe we should set one up just to see if it'll fly.
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by Izandai » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:58 pm
greed and death wrote:I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.
by JJ Place » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:58 pm
The Floridian Coast wrote:From my research, and personal stories I've been told about experiences in "gay conversion" or "gay cures", groups which try to make gay people hetero, most seem to rely on classical conditioning, which is to say that they base their therapy upon punishing gay urges until the person is conditioned to no longer respond to gay feelings.
Some of these gay conversion groups essentially use a style that seems reminiscent of A Clockwork Orange.
So my question for debate is this: Assuming adults have the right to subject themselves to such abuse, do they have the right to subject their children to it? Should a parent have a right to send their child to a "gay cure" place, where active harm is inflicted as part of the "cure"?
In my opinion, no. Abuse by proxy is nonetheless abuse. I think any gay conversion group which has subjects under the age of 18 should be shut down, and that both the group and the parents would be complicit to child abuse. Your opinions?
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:58 pm
Deus in Machina wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:No. Is it legal to send adopted black kids to camps that tell them they are shit for being niggers and that they should will themselves white? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be.
I don't think there is a precedent for that. Maybe we should set one up just to see if it'll fly.
by Isolated China » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:59 pm
Deus in Machina wrote:Isolated China wrote:Well America has laws against abuse. Even if its with the parents' consent, it is still illegal for a child to be abused.
And if it were as cut and dry as that, there'd be no issue. But religion and homosexuality are both controversial subjects. Hackles will be seriously raised.
by Takaram » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:00 pm
by Wikkiwallana » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:01 pm
Jesus And The Saints wrote:Why would anyone interfere with what is obviously a parents concern for their child? How is it 'abuse' to try & redeem a child from sin? Would you stop a parent from sending their child to a clinic if they were an addict? You would surely intervene if your child were suffering any other mental or spiritual illness, who why this? Because it's a politicized issue? Because you know a 'nice' gay couple down the road, or a 'cool' lesbian at work? Their sin is still pervasive & damaging. You won't see that 'nice' couple or 'cool' lesbian on the path of Salvation, or in the Glory of His Eternity, so why associate with them, why invite such sin into your life? I'm not the one who made the rules. A parent should do anything & everything to rescue their child from such a path.
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by Wamitoria » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:01 pm
Takaram wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*
It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.
by Jesus And The Saints (Ancient) » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:02 pm
by Isolated China » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:02 pm
Takaram wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*
It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.
by Deus in Machina » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:02 pm
by Takaram » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:03 pm
Wamitoria wrote:Takaram wrote:
It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.
A classmate of mine recently told me that her pastor told her that gay men entice other men to become homosexuals. I would've laughed if I wasn't so disgusted.
by The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:03 pm
Takaram wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*
It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.
by Wamitoria » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:03 pm
Jesus And The Saints wrote:Why is it stupidity to express an opinion? I'm not saying we should 'beat' they gay out of a child, I'm saying a parent has every right to interfere in the development of the child they have raised if they feel that their child is not adhering to the beliefs they raised them with.
by Deus in Machina » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:04 pm
Isolated China wrote:Deus in Machina wrote:And if it were as cut and dry as that, there'd be no issue. But religion and homosexuality are both controversial subjects. Hackles will be seriously raised.
Well anyone who tries to say it as "religous" ought to be put on trial and shot. Abuse, in any ways, has no justification.
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