Gay "Conversion" and Children

[Izandai]

Poe's law?

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

Ah.

[The Parkus Empire]

No. Is it legal to send adopted black kids to camps that tell them they are shit for being niggers and that they should will themselves white? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be.

[Isolated China]

I'm pretty sure if they can make a law to where you don't have to pray to start a baseball game anymore, they can pass a law shutting down any camp that tries to harm someone. Because its basically physical abuse.

I don't think those two are at all comparable. I may be wrong, but I just can't see such a thing happening in America's current political climate. The fundamentalists have too much sway.

Well America has laws against abuse. Even if its with the parents' consent, it is still illegal for a child to be abused.

[Greed and Death]

I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.

[Deus in Machina]

No. Is it legal to send adopted black kids to camps that tell them they are shit for being niggers and that they should will themselves white? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be.

I don't think there is a precedent for that. Maybe we should set one up just to see if it'll fly.

[Takaram]

I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.

Wow... that really sucks... Sorry.

[Isolated China]

I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.

I am sorry.

[Meryuma]

If someone is old enough to be gay,

There is no age at which you are "old enough to be gay." Nor does being gay mark having reached a specific milestone developmentally. Just as there is no age at which you are old enough to be straight, the notion is ridiculous.

In this regard, there is really only an age at which you are old enough to be horny, to put it bluntly.

What I meant was when you're at the age when gayness can be detectable. I'm not saying you turn gay or anything like that.

[Deus in Machina]

I don't think those two are at all comparable. I may be wrong, but I just can't see such a thing happening in America's current political climate. The fundamentalists have too much sway.

Well America has laws against abuse. Even if its with the parents' consent, it is still illegal for a child to be abused.

And if it were as cut and dry as that, there'd be no issue. But religion and homosexuality are both controversial subjects. Hackles will be seriously raised.

[Greed and Death]

I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.

Wow... that really sucks... Sorry.

It was like a week two ago. But as I talked with relatives I found out how much more her life sucked then I was aware.

[Neo Arcad]

No. Is it legal to send adopted black kids to camps that tell them they are shit for being niggers and that they should will themselves white? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be.

I don't think there is a precedent for that. Maybe we should set one up just to see if it'll fly.

Lulzy. This is going in my sig.

[Izandai]

I am actually trying to see if my fundamentalist uncle sent my cousin to one.
Just realized this, but she disappeared to a "camp for troubled youth" shortly after coming out.
Id ask her but sadly she just died of cancer.
Though really nothing I can do, other than realized my cousin had a really really hard life.

I'd give you compassion and sympathy, but I'm pretty much tapped right now. But here. *gives you a card that says "Good for one hug from Izandai. Redeemable whenever."*

[JJ Place]

From my research, and personal stories I've been told about experiences in "gay conversion" or "gay cures", groups which try to make gay people hetero, most seem to rely on classical conditioning, which is to say that they base their therapy upon punishing gay urges until the person is conditioned to no longer respond to gay feelings.

Some of these gay conversion groups essentially use a style that seems reminiscent of A Clockwork Orange.

So my question for debate is this: Assuming adults have the right to subject themselves to such abuse, do they have the right to subject their children to it? Should a parent have a right to send their child to a "gay cure" place, where active harm is inflicted as part of the "cure"?

In my opinion, no. Abuse by proxy is nonetheless abuse. I think any gay conversion group which has subjects under the age of 18 should be shut down, and that both the group and the parents would be complicit to child abuse. Your opinions?

Uh, no. Subjecting children to forcible "hetero-sexual conditioning", is at least attempted brain-washing, and at worst is feudalistic torture. Adults subjecting themselves to discover a "cure" for their own personal "problem" of homosexuality is free personal action, the same as any personal action which does not affect another person, and is completely alright. Subjecting children to anti-gay conversion falls under the charges of abuse, torture, crimes against child, un-lawful detention, and cruel and unusual punishment, punishment forced upon innocent children.

[The Parkus Empire]

No. Is it legal to send adopted black kids to camps that tell them they are shit for being niggers and that they should will themselves white? If it is, it certainly shouldn't be.

I don't think there is a precedent for that. Maybe we should set one up just to see if it'll fly.

Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*

[Isolated China]

Wow... that really sucks... Sorry.

It was like a week two ago. But as I talked with relatives I found out how much more her life sucked then I was aware.

Why, what happened?

Well America has laws against abuse. Even if its with the parents' consent, it is still illegal for a child to be abused.

And if it were as cut and dry as that, there'd be no issue. But religion and homosexuality are both controversial subjects. Hackles will be seriously raised.

Well anyone who tries to say it as "religous" ought to be put on trial and shot. Abuse, in any ways, has no justification.

[Takaram]

I don't think there is a precedent for that. Maybe we should set one up just to see if it'll fly.

Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*

It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.

[Wikkiwallana]

Why would anyone interfere with what is obviously a parents concern for their child? How is it 'abuse' to try & redeem a child from sin? Would you stop a parent from sending their child to a clinic if they were an addict? You would surely intervene if your child were suffering any other mental or spiritual illness, who why this? Because it's a politicized issue? Because you know a 'nice' gay couple down the road, or a 'cool' lesbian at work? Their sin is still pervasive & damaging. You won't see that 'nice' couple or 'cool' lesbian on the path of Salvation, or in the Glory of His Eternity, so why associate with them, why invite such sin into your life? I'm not the one who made the rules. A parent should do anything & everything to rescue their child from such a path.

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

f you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

Please stop making my religion look bad with your intolerance. We should focus on our own sin instead of obsessing over the sin of others.

Edit: fixed tag

[Wamitoria]

Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*

It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.

A classmate of mine recently told me that her pastor told her that gay men entice other men to become homosexuals. I would've laughed if I wasn't so disgusted.

It was extremely reminiscent of the old "Black men steal white women" stereotypes.

[Jesus And The Saints (Ancient)]

Why is it stupidity to express an opinion? I'm not saying we should 'beat' they gay out of a child, I'm saying a parent has every right to interfere in the development of the child they have raised if they feel that their child is not adhering to the beliefs they raised them with.

[Isolated China]

Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*

It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Deus in Machina]

I don't think there is a precedent for that. Maybe we should set one up just to see if it'll fly.

Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*

It is possible to interpret certain Bible passages to arrive at that conclusion.
Of course, it's possible to interpret certain Bible passages to arrive at any conclusion you can think of. The trick is to come up with the conclusion first, then look for justification.

[Takaram]

It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.

A classmate of mine recently told me that her pastor told her that gay men entice other men to become homosexuals. I would've laughed if I wasn't so disgusted.

Nothing I haven't heard before, though it's still annoying. I always love to take crap like that, insert black for gay, and turn it back on them.

[The Parkus Empire]

Tell them if they stay niggers then they'll go to Hell. *nods*

It's basically saying the same thing. I've always found it annoying when people try to put a different spin on homophobia so that it doesn't look identical to racism. It's the same exact thing with a different target.

No, no, no, the difference is that you can choose what you find sexually attractive, right?

[Wamitoria]

Why is it stupidity to express an opinion? I'm not saying we should 'beat' they gay out of a child, I'm saying a parent has every right to interfere in the development of the child they have raised if they feel that their child is not adhering to the beliefs they raised them with.

So, if I want my child to be a Nazi, I have the right to name him Adolf and subject him to Nazi propaganda from age 1 up?

[Deus in Machina]

And if it were as cut and dry as that, there'd be no issue. But religion and homosexuality are both controversial subjects. Hackles will be seriously raised.

Well anyone who tries to say it as "religous" ought to be put on trial and shot. Abuse, in any ways, has no justification.

I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, there's millions of people who don't.