Global Warming v. Global Climate Change

[Barringtonia]

Glaciers in Europe have actually grown in the past decade

that is not what that said. at all.

That was the first source that popped up on google; I've seen others that state the facts more accurately.

Ah, I see you've been reading my Top Tips! thread.

viewtopic.php?p=4510273#p4510273

Save time when googling for evidence, the first link probably backs up your argument, don't bother reading it.

Good work!

[Roman Cilicia]

I haven't but I'll read through it. Thanks for the link!

[Barringtonia]

I haven't but I'll read through it. Thanks for the link!

I'm not sure you need to, I suspect you're a natural.

[Kruplyan]

Global Warming is a way to steal my money. This is natural climate change. According to ice samples, it was hotter around 1000 AD. Yes, I'm aware of the fact polar bears and shit will die. But thats what zoo's are for.

Documentary-that-will-be-automatically-labeled-as-biased-and-rigged-by-GOP-according-to-liberal-minded-foo supports my statements.

*cough*theIPCCfudgedthegraphs*cough*

[Drachmar]

I've just been told that this winter was the hottest on record.

And by your logic, if you warmed a greenhouse, there is a possibility that it will get colder. How does that follow?

almost forgot cold causes snow, not snow causes cold. if you get the cause and effect right it makes it much easier to understand.

Both are technically correct, as cold does cause snow, but enough snow reflects sunlight away from the Earth and prevents the planet from warming.

[Swkoll]

Both are outright false.

plate tectonics are a lie

the continents formed as wrinkles from the shrinkage of the earth

but wait those aren't the positions of $OPPOSING_IDEOLOGY so I can accept them with good conscience

god you are such a goddamn child

Source/prove, valid evidence please.

[Hassett]

Climate Change, the world is just undergoing natural fluxuations of its own.

[Free Soviets]

Climate Change, the world is just undergoing natural fluxuations of its own.

what causes these 'natural fluxuations'?

[Farnhamia]

Global Warming is a way to steal my money. This is natural climate change. According to ice samples, it was hotter around 1000 AD. Yes, I'm aware of the fact polar bears and shit will die. But thats what zoo's are for.

Documentary-that-will-be-automatically-labeled-as-biased-and-rigged-by-GOP-according-to-liberal-minded-foo supports my statements.

*cough*theIPCCfudgedthegraphs*cough*

Damn, you caught us! *cues green helicopters over Kruplyan's house* Seize him!

[Sobsobworld]

I was debating this with my friends yesterday. They are both scientific theories, thus completely observable and mostly supported by evidence, except global warming does not seem as likely an idea as global climate change.

During the early part of the year, blizzards covered the US. Now, going by a strict, definition of global warming, this is countered to the theory. What I think is more likely, is not that the temperature is slowly rising over the whole earth, but rather the climate is shifting. Rainy areas are becoming droughty, beaches are flooding, precipitation is occuring in commonly dry spots, as well as the slow melting of the ice-caps. I think that, under global warming, our seasons should not be so polar. But what do you think NS? Which is the better theory?

Guess what? I don't really understand it, but the earth getting warmer is what's causing all the snow! It's really weird. Anyway, my point is, whatever is going on, I DON'T LIKE IT!!!!!!!!

[Hassett]

Climate Change, the world is just undergoing natural fluxuations of its own.

what causes these 'natural fluxuations'?

I'd say the 1.9891×10^30 kg ball of burning hydrogen and helium currently undergoing a nuclear reaction that is providing us all the energy we have on earth.

[Sobsobworld]

Global Warming is a way to steal my money. This is natural climate change. According to ice samples, it was hotter around 1000 AD. Yes, I'm aware of the fact polar bears and shit will die. But thats what zoo's are for.

Documentary-that-will-be-automatically-labeled-as-biased-and-rigged-by-GOP-according-to-liberal-minded-foo supports my statements.

*cough*theIPCCfudgedthegraphs*cough*

Would you want to exchange your awesome home for a cage where people come to stare at you all day?

[Free Soviets]

what causes these 'natural fluxuations'?

I'd say the 1.9891×10^30 kg ball of burning hydrogen and helium currently undergoing a nuclear reaction that is providing us all the energy we have on earth.

try again?

[Farnhamia]

Global Warming is a way to steal my money. This is natural climate change. According to ice samples, it was hotter around 1000 AD. Yes, I'm aware of the fact polar bears and shit will die. But thats what zoo's are for.

Documentary-that-will-be-automatically-labeled-as-biased-and-rigged-by-GOP-according-to-liberal-minded-foo supports my statements.

*cough*theIPCCfudgedthegraphs*cough*

Would you want to exchange your awesome home for a cage where people come to stare at you all day?

Right, like animals have feelings.

[Sobsobworld]

The climate changes periodically as it has throughout the sum of human history. We've simply entered a warmer epoch of the world's history.

No we haven't, the climate is exactly the same as it was fifty years ago. The scientists are all bribed or lying. Same with the meteorologists, and the environmental agencies, and my thermometer.

time to wake up from your brainwashing, this was disproven a LONG time ago

Exactly. The government is making you hallucinate the effects of climate change by beaming false data into your brains from satellites! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

Ookay...

[Sobsobworld]

I've just been told that this winter was the hottest on record.

And by your logic, if you warmed a greenhouse, there is a possibility that it will get colder. How does that follow?

almost forgot cold causes snow, not snow causes cold. if you get the cause and effect right it makes it much easier to understand.

If it's too cold, though, there can't be snow. In Antarctica there's no snow, there are tiny ice particles.

[Sobsobworld]

Would you want to exchange your awesome home for a cage where people come to stare at you all day?

Right, like animals have feelings.

Tell me you're joking.

[Norstal]

Global Warming is a way to steal my money. This is natural climate change. According to ice samples, it was hotter around 1000 AD. Yes, I'm aware of the fact polar bears and shit will die. But thats what zoo's are for.

Documentary-that-will-be-automatically-labeled-as-biased-and-rigged-by-GOP-according-to-liberal-minded-foo supports my statements.

*cough*theIPCCfudgedthegraphs*cough*

Would you want to exchange your awesome home for a cage where people come to stare at you all day?

If it means I get free food and have the best medical care in the world, hell yes. Not to mention the free sex I'll get.

Get back on topic.

[Norstal]

Climate Change, the world is just undergoing natural fluxuations of its own.

And the tons and tons of pollutants has nothing to do with it. Nothing. Not a little bit.

[Cameroi]

people will use whatever euphamism sounds simpler. corporate media, whatever sounds most dramatic.
mid ocean temperatures are rising by a few fractions of a degre, which may or may not be caused to some extent by human activity.
this in turn, does appear to be having semi-dramatic effects on long term weather patterns.
on the one paw, there is a temptation to over dramatize this. on the other, there are vested interests in denying it entirely.

the less obvious to do with weather effects of it, are plenty real enough.
demographics of famine and disease specifically, which are far more of a real and present danger to the web of life then war on any scale or of any nature.

habitat loss has also bearing on lowering of species diversity which is another factor of real and legitimate concern.

the main, if not only, and certainly primary, disagreement is over degree of influence human activity is having on it. most if not all of the denial that it does, is being sponsored by corporate vested interests.
of course that doesn't mean they HAVE to be wrong, but suspicious intent is suspicious intent.
and then all the attempts to deflect that doubt on the actual and honest science, again by those same corporate interests.

what i think is important to keep in mind, is that we DON'T NEED to use as much combustion as we do. and while that may not be the only factor, it is extremely likely to be the largest one. exacerbated of course by the unprecedented and ever increasing level of human population.

fossil fuel interests, even though knowing their stock in trade is limited, and in many cases unarguably harmful, wish to obstruct transition to cleaner and more sustainable methods. this is one instance where capitalism, or at least corporate capitalism, which has in the past been the chief means of overcoming obsticals to technological evolution, has become one itself instead.

[New Korongo]

Why can't climate change be something simple like another paleocene–eocene thermal maximum

[Whole Conviction]

Oh my god you realized what the scientist were saying for thirty years

give yourself a fucking pat on the back

Climate change didn't make much of an appearance in the public realm until the mid-2000s, though.

Indeed! Which is why the global peak body on climate change, formed in 1988, was called the Intergovernmental Panel on Global Warming.

Wait, no, it's the IPCC, not the IPGW. Guess what CC stands for?

The fact is that 'climate change' and 'global warming' have ALWAYS coexisted and are 100% interchangeable. Neither term is older to any appreciable degree.

[Scientific socks]

The climate is always changing and there is no longer any science on the subject. It is all armature opinion and politics. I am sick of the number of times someone says "it’s the highest/lowest temperature/rainfall on record". Most of the time they are highly selective and the words are twisted to mean something different. And even if this was true on record temperature means nothing. With so many cities in the world and differently defines areas in each country you would expect each country to have several broken records every year. This could be on a state level, city level, port, out as sea, town or anything else.

Combine this with the fact that the climate change believers never bother to explain the science it is no wonder there is serious doubt. In Al Gore’s film "The inconvenient truth" he uses a scene from the comedy TV series, "Futurama" to explain climate change.

This is not a joke nor is this funny. A former political leader whom was not known for doing anything serious to help the environment whilst in office is lecturing the current leaders on what to do by using cartoons where sun rays and greenhouse gasses have personality for the explanation of his scientific basis. And when searches are done for the science for climate change it is never fully expalined nor are experiements carried out to demonstrate that this will have.

The climate change debate should be rested until there is a clear way of demonstarting the effects. Instead the focus should be on Ocean Acidification, energy security and energy efficency which are all proven. There are classroom repeatable experimets to verify Ocean Acidification, energy security in increased with energy diversification and renwable supplies and energy efficency makes sense to the normal persons wallet.

People do not understand what climate change is. They just understand that the left will condemn them if they don’t believe and that they are meant to feel guilty. This will never lead to a possitive result

[New Korongo]

God I hated that, we had to watch "The Inconvenient Truth" in social studies. No idea why it wasn't in science, maybe that is a secret clue.

[Whole Conviction]

People do not understand what climate change is. They just understand that the left will condemn them if they don’t believe and that they are meant to feel guilty. This will never lead to a possitive result

This is the illuminating line from the above. It's obvious that YOU don't understand climate change; please don't assume that no-one else does.