Global Warming v. Global Climate Change

[Wikkiwallana]

time to wake up from your brainwashing, this was disproven a LONG time ago

Quaint.

Anyway, I say the climate change theory is better.

Edit: typo

[Farnhamia]

I was debating this with my friends yesterday. They are both scientific theories, thus completely observable and mostly supported by evidence, except global warming does not seem as likely an idea as global climate change.

During the early part of the year, blizzards covered the US. Now, going by a strict, definition of global warming, this is countered to the theory. What I think is more likely, is not that the temperature is slowly rising over the whole earth, but rather the climate is shifting. Rainy areas are becoming droughty, beaches are flooding, precipitation is occuring in commonly dry spots, as well as the slow melting of the ice-caps. I think that, under global warming, our seasons should not be so polar. But what do you think NS? Which is the better theory?

Winter is not counter to global climate change or whatever you care to call it. When it gets hot during the summer, will you say the theory is now okay?

[Wikkiwallana]

Exactly. The government is making you hallucinate the effects of climate change by beaming false data into your brains from satellites! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

No you fool. They're using microwaves. Why do you think you get horny whenever you get near one?

I don't. Microwaves usually make my weiner split open.

[Gilthador]

"How many inches of global warming did you shovel this winter?"
^This 'argument' is bs. An increase of global temperature by only a few degrees is catastrophic. If an area has a temperature of 268K, it will still snow at 273K. Science has long known that human output of greenhouse gasses has offset the atmospheric composition. Climate change occurs without human influence, and global warming increases the effects of global warming dramatically.

[Sociobiology]

I was debating this with my friends yesterday. They are both scientific theories, thus completely observable and mostly supported by evidence, except global warming does not seem as likely an idea as global climate change.

During the early part of the year, blizzards covered the US. Now, going by a strict, definition of global warming, this is countered to the theory. What I think is more likely, is not that the temperature is slowly rising over the whole earth, but rather the climate is shifting. Rainy areas are becoming droughty, beaches are flooding, precipitation is occuring in commonly dry spots, as well as the slow melting of the ice-caps. I think that, under global warming, our seasons should not be so polar. But what do you think NS? Which is the better theory?

Winter is not counter to global climate change or whatever you care to call it. When it gets hot during the summer, will you say the theory is now okay?

"its dark were I am the sun is a lie!!!"

[The Truth and Light]

Winter is not counter to global climate change or whatever you care to call it.

Where did I say it was? I said it doesn't make sense for global warming.

When it gets hot during the summer, will you say the theory is now okay?

Don't patronise me. I'm basing my ideas off of what is happening on a large scale. When a whole continent experiences a blizzard, something is fishy.

[The Truth and Light]

oh and Light the blizzards took place during the warmest winter on record. might want look how evaporation works. global rise in average temp. causes polarized weather patterns.

Then how do you explain the widespread droughts?

[Chumblywumbly]

When a whole continent experiences a blizzard, something is fishy.

Only if one is unaware of the difference between climate and weather.

The warming of the Earth's atmosphere can produce colder-than-normal weather.

[Farnhamia]

Winter is not counter to global climate change or whatever you care to call it.

Where did I say it was? I said it doesn't make sense for global warming.

When it gets hot during the summer, will you say the theory is now okay?

Don't patronise me. I'm basing my ideas off of what is happening on a large scale. When a whole continent experiences a blizzard, something is fishy.

Which "whole continent" experienced a blizzard?

[Farnhamia]

When a whole continent experiences a blizzard, something is fishy.

Only if one is unaware of the difference between climate and weather.

The warming of the Earth's atmosphere can produce colder-than-normal weather.

It can also change weather patterns so that some areas become wetter. Wetter + Winter = Lots of Snow.

[The Truth and Light]

When a whole continent experiences a blizzard, something is fishy.

Only if one is unaware of the difference between climate and weather.

The warming of the Earth's atmosphere can produce colder-than-normal weather.

I've just been told that this winter was the hottest on record.

And by your logic, if you warmed a greenhouse, there is a possibility that it will get colder. How does that follow?

[The Truth and Light]

Where did I say it was? I said it doesn't make sense for global warming.

Don't patronise me. I'm basing my ideas off of what is happening on a large scale. When a whole continent experiences a blizzard, something is fishy.

Which "whole continent" experienced a blizzard?

Were you not aware of the pounding snow spread from the Atlantic to the Pacific?

[Sociobiology]

Only if one is unaware of the difference between climate and weather.

The warming of the Earth's atmosphere can produce colder-than-normal weather.

I've just been told that this winter was the hottest on record.

And by your logic, if you warmed a greenhouse, there is a possibility that it will get colder. How does that follow?

do you know why ice forms in a freezer? and why it forms faster in warm weather.
warm air holds more water, but when it is then cooled it drops that water, your greenhouse analogy forgets one basic point , even if the average temperature rises some places will still be below freezing.
run a water boiler in the same room as a running freezer but leave the freezer open, low and behold ice will form even if the temperature of the room goes up.

[Farnhamia]

Which "whole continent" experienced a blizzard?

Were you not aware of the pounding snow spread from the Atlantic to the Pacific?

No, there was snow on the ground in 49 states at one point. It was not "pounding snow" over the entire US. There's no snow in my yard right now, but I can see snow in the mountains not far to the west. That will be there until May or even June. The fact that there is widespread snow in North America during the winter does not call global climate change into question.

[Sociobiology]

Which "whole continent" experienced a blizzard?

Were you not aware of the pounding snow spread from the Atlantic to the Pacific?

well only in the US Canada experienced an abnormal lack of snow during the same winter.

[Chumblywumbly]

The warming of the Earth's atmosphere can produce colder-than-normal weather.

I've just been told that this winter was the hottest on record.[/url]
The warming of the Earth's atmosphere can also produce hotter-than-normal weather.

And by your logic, if you warmed a greenhouse, there is a possibility that it will get colder. How does that follow?

I fail to see how this is analogous to my previous post.

Greenhouses and the Earth's atmosphere are not directly comparable.

[Sociobiology]

Only if one is unaware of the difference between climate and weather.

The warming of the Earth's atmosphere can produce colder-than-normal weather.

I've just been told that this winter was the hottest on record.

And by your logic, if you warmed a greenhouse, there is a possibility that it will get colder. How does that follow?

almost forgot cold causes snow, not snow causes cold. if you get the cause and effect right it makes it much easier to understand.

[Wikkiwallana]

Only if one is unaware of the difference between climate and weather.

The warming of the Earth's atmosphere can produce colder-than-normal weather.

I've just been told that this winter was the hottest on record.

And by your logic, if you warmed a greenhouse, there is a possibility that it will get colder. How does that follow?

A greenhouse is not the Earth: It is not so big that simple convection can't equalize the temperature. It is not receiving energy at different rates over the course of thousands square of miles on one side and radiating it out on the other, while constantly rotating so that no region stays on one side indefinitely. It does not have heat sinks of substantially different quality interspersed near randomly holding that temperature for different amounts of time under a roof that has glass in some panes and not in others. The composition of that glass is not in flux.

In short, the two systems are not comparable.

[Roman Cilicia]

Glaciers in Europe have actually grown in the past decade, contrary to the doctrines of global warming activists like Gore and Cohen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7101397.stm

[Wikkiwallana]

Glaciers in Europe have actually grown in the past decade, contrary to the doctrines of global warming activists like Gore and Cohen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7101397.stm

The fact that super high altitude glaciers have grown slightly does not negate the fact that the majority are shrinking, as mentioned in the article.

[Farnhamia]

Glaciers in Europe have actually grown in the past decade, contrary to the doctrines of global warming activists like Gore and Cohen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7101397.stm

Oh, look, more snow because of altered weather patterns makes glaciers grow some. You might read the entire article, especially the part where the Swiss guide says a whole lot more snow is going to have to happen before the shrinking stops. Which it probably won't.

Meanwhile, in Greenland ...

[Free Soviets]

Glaciers in Europe have actually grown in the past decade

that is not what that said. at all.

[Roman Cilicia]

That was the first source that popped up on google; I've seen others that state the facts more accurately.

[The Truth and Light]

That was the first source that popped up on google; I've seen others that state the facts more accurately.

Methinks that there are enough scientists in this thread who think this is silly.

Anyways, I'm no scientist, so who am I to say globalw arming isn't real? All I know is that I need to help conserve the environment.

[Xomic]

I was debating this with my friends yesterday. They are both scientific theories, thus completely observable and mostly supported by evidence, except global warming does not seem as likely an idea as global climate change.

During the early part of the year, blizzards covered the US. Now, going by a strict, definition of global warming, this is countered to the theory. What I think is more likely, is not that the temperature is slowly rising over the whole earth, but rather the climate is shifting. Rainy areas are becoming droughty, beaches are flooding, precipitation is occuring in commonly dry spots, as well as the slow melting of the ice-caps. I think that, under global warming, our seasons should not be so polar. But what do you think NS? Which is the better theory?

They're the same theory.