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Postby Vojvodina-Nihon » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:19 pm

Unaccountably, I feel slightly envious -- probably because of the awesome photos the Beeb (among others) was displaying.

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Yes, I know I should be thankful for that, but ....
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:23 pm

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Sibirsky wrote:Reports are coming in that almost nothing is open, and traffic jams are everywhere as people are out and about in search of food and water.

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Really? Maybe it's location dependent, my bf went grocery shopping yesterday after the aftershocks stopped being so bad and he said the place was empty and it was great. He did say that traffic was horrible and a lot of people were walking around though.

Yeah no doubt, those reports were from up north near Sendai.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:27 pm

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Sibirsky wrote:Or it could be fear mongering. Nuclear energy is hated by many.


Yea it's that pesky radiation thing when they leak. The rods that last what 10000 years.

Don't know why they would hate it.

How about it being the single most promising and proven green technology? Seriously the radioactive waste thing can be fixed. Using different kinds of reactors we can actually re-purpose a lot of it.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:31 pm

Vojvodina-Nihon wrote:Unaccountably, I feel slightly envious -- probably because of the awesome photos the Beeb (among others) was displaying.

Nothing exciting ever happens in Connecticut.

Yes, I know I should be thankful for that, but ....

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Or it could be fear mongering. Nuclear energy is hated by many.


Yea it's that pesky radiation thing when they leak. The rods that last what 10000 years.

Don't know why they would hate it.

How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?
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Postby Dakini » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:31 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Dakini wrote:Really? Maybe it's location dependent, my bf went grocery shopping yesterday after the aftershocks stopped being so bad and he said the place was empty and it was great. He did say that traffic was horrible and a lot of people were walking around though.

Yeah no doubt, those reports were from up north near Sendai.

That makes sense.

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Postby Vojvodina-Nihon » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:36 pm

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Vojvodina-Nihon wrote:Unaccountably, I feel slightly envious -- probably because of the awesome photos the Beeb (among others) was displaying.

Nothing exciting ever happens in Connecticut.

Yes, I know I should be thankful for that, but ....

One of the quotes in my sig may be relevant to your interests. ;)

Heh.

I've always been fascinated with weather and hydrography, as a rule... and there's not nearly enough of it up here. Earthquakes are meh, but tsunamis? Awesome.

Well, okay, it sucks about all the people who die or lose their homes, but come on. Thirty-foot-high wall of water? That's a once-in-a-lifetime photo op -- and I'm okay with dying in the process so long as my camera footage gets out unharmed <.<

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Postby The Corparation » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:37 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Yea it's that pesky radiation thing when they leak. The rods that last what 10000 years.

Don't know why they would hate it.

How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?


I would like to see a source on that. Not that I don't believe you. I just want to have the source to show to people to justify my hatred of bananas.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:38 pm

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Yea it's that pesky radiation thing when they leak. The rods that last what 10000 years.

Don't know why they would hate it.

How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?

As much as it can be overblown, let's not kid ourselves. Three Mile Island could have very easily been far worse. Not to mention getting say, 365 rads in one day is far worse than getting 1 rad a day for 365 days. Radiation exposure is always worst when it is intense, even if it is short lived.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:40 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?


I would like to see a source on that. Not that I don't believe you. I just want to have the source to show to people to justify my hatred of bananas.

Equipment failures and worker mistakes contributed to a loss of coolant and a partial core meltdown at the Three Mile Island Nuclear Generating Station 15 km (9 miles) southeast of Harrisburg. While the reactor was extensively damaged on-site radiation exposure was under 100 millirems (less than annual exposure due to natural sources). Area residents received a smaller exposure of 1 millirem (10 µSv), or about 1/3 the dose from eating a banana per day for one year. There were no fatalities. Follow up radiological studies predict between zero and one long-term cancer fatality.

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:43 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?

As much as it can be overblown, let's not kid ourselves. Three Mile Island could have very easily been far worse. Not to mention getting say, 365 rads in one day is far worse than getting 1 rad a day for 365 days. Radiation exposure is always worst when it is intense, even if it is short lived.

I'm not denying that Three Mile Island in particular and others were dangerous situations. I am however saying that fears are overblown, and all energy has some risk. Outside of authoritarian clusterfuck nations it should not be a problem.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:56 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yea it's that pesky radiation thing when they leak. The rods that last what 10000 years.

Don't know why they would hate it.

How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?


What about Chernobyl? HOw much of the surrounding area is basically dead?

Wish I could find that girls link. She did a motorcycle ride through the area and took photos.......
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:06 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?


What about Chernobyl? HOw much of the surrounding area is basically dead?

Wish I could find that girls link. She did a motorcycle ride through the area and took photos.......

Chernobyl was of a different design of reactors. Its is almost impossible for that to happen at any western power plant. Not to mention ones built after the fact that had newer better safeties. And the area around Chernobyl is not dead. Its actually a rather nice wildlife refuge. No human goes there so a lot of rarer animal do. The plants are adapting nicely. A few decades or so and people can move back in. As soon as they build a better sarcophagus.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?


What about Chernobyl? HOw much of the surrounding area is basically dead?

Wish I could find that girls link. She did a motorcycle ride through the area and took photos.......


Chernobyl was using a reactor that was literally designed in the 1950s.

The RMBK series was Russia's first generation, and first commercially operated nuclear reactor.

Shit changed since then.

And Chernobyl is not dead, it's a designated wildlife sanctuary. In fact, without human development of Pripyat and the surrounding area, Chernobyl has actually become a haven for rare animals such as the lynx.

It was also operating until 1997.

So no, you're totally wrong. Chernobyl is the most overblown disaster in human history. If it were an oil or gas or coal explosion, you'd hear less about it because somehow nuclear power completely corrupts the surrounding countryside and kills anything that dare see it.

There's also people living in Chernobyl's countryside, and the Ukrainian government offers tours of the surrounding area and the NPP as a historical monument.

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Sibirsky wrote:How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?


I would like to see a source on that. Not that I don't believe you. I just want to have the source to show to people to justify my hatred of bananas.


A single coal power plant puts out more carcinogens and radiation in one year than every single nuclear power plant within the United States in the same timeframe.

It's all about words, bro.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:18 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?


What about Chernobyl? HOw much of the surrounding area is basically dead?

Wish I could find that girls link. She did a motorcycle ride through the area and took photos.......

Did I not say this...
Sibirsky wrote:Outside of authoritarian clusterfuck nations it should not be a problem.

That girl's photos were fake.

You do, realize that I was 300 miles away from it for more than 5 years after the disaster, right?

They had illegal tours and now they opened it up legally for visitors.
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Postby Dakini » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:19 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:How many Americans died due to nuclear power plant disasters? You know, there are also those pesky electrical fires that occur from time to time. Perhaps we can just ban electricity all together? We'd be safer.

Three Mile Island, probably the worst accident in the US, caused residents in the area to be exposed to radiation 3 times less than eating a banana every day for a year. Do your bananas glow in the dark?


What about Chernobyl? HOw much of the surrounding area is basically dead?

Wish I could find that girls link. She did a motorcycle ride through the area and took photos.......

Actually, the area around Chernobyl is pretty much an accidental wilderness preserve now.

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Heh.

I've always been fascinated with weather and hydrography, as a rule... and there's not nearly enough of it up here. Earthquakes are meh, but tsunamis? Awesome.

Well, okay, it sucks about all the people who die or lose their homes, but come on. Thirty-foot-high wall of water? That's a once-in-a-lifetime photo op -- and I'm okay with dying in the process so long as my camera footage gets out unharmed <.<

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:22 pm

Speaking of Chernobyl, I'm going to go when finances allow. With little human activity, it's like 1986 there. Lenin posters, shit like that. It would like traveling back in time for me :shock:
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:23 pm

Dakini wrote:
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What about Chernobyl? HOw much of the surrounding area is basically dead?

Wish I could find that girls link. She did a motorcycle ride through the area and took photos.......

Actually, the area around Chernobyl is pretty much an accidental wilderness preserve now.


Hmmmm. Didn't know that. I admit I don't follow that area.....
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Postby Hypparchia » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:23 pm

Sibirsky wrote:Speaking of Chernobyl, I'm going to go when finances allow. With little human activity, it's like 1986 there. Lenin posters, shit like that. It would like traveling back in time for me :shock:


Though you should hurry up. Mother Nature is advancing rapidly into that place.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:25 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
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What about Chernobyl? HOw much of the surrounding area is basically dead?

Wish I could find that girls link. She did a motorcycle ride through the area and took photos.......

Did I not say this...
Sibirsky wrote:Outside of authoritarian clusterfuck nations it should not be a problem.

That girl's photos were fake.

You do, realize that I was 300 miles away from it for more than 5 years after the disaster, right?

They had illegal tours and now they opened it up legally for visitors.


Eh? They were faked? Well if that is the case; that is disappointing.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:30 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Did I not say this...

That girl's photos were fake.

You do, realize that I was 300 miles away from it for more than 5 years after the disaster, right?

They had illegal tours and now they opened it up legally for visitors.


Eh? They were faked? Well if that is the case; that is disappointing.

Yeah she's full of shit.

Others though have taken pictures. Like I said, they had illegal tours, and now opened them up legally so people were taking pictures. I'm more interested in Pripyat than the power plant.
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On Saturday, an explosion blew off the roof and upper walls of the building housing the facility's No. 1 reactor, stirring alarm over a possible major radiation release, although the government later said the explosion had not affected the reactor's core vessel and that only a small amount of radiation had been released.

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Postby Sdaeriji » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:36 pm

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Dakini wrote:Actually, the area around Chernobyl is pretty much an accidental wilderness preserve now.


Hmmmm. Didn't know that. I admit I don't follow that area.....


It's a mixed bag. Species native to the area that were unable to quickly cope to the radiation levels died out or are dying out. On the other hand, species that were able to adapt are flourishing. The Exclusion Zone has some of the largest wild populations of some endangered species such as the European bison or Przewalski's horse.
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Postby Carbarosia » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:37 pm

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What about Chernobyl? HOw much of the surrounding area is basically dead?


Not much, it is a wildlife haven and in 2007 was marked as a wildlife sanctuary by the Ukrainian Government.

Minamosatuki, I think is totally submerged in mud, except a few high rise buildings. It's feared thousands are dead and 10,000 are missing.
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