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Postby Parthenon » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:56 pm

"We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works." --- Alfredo Gutierrez, political consultant, as quoted by Richard de Uriarte, The Phoenix Gazette, March 14, 1992 (quoted in The ProEnglish Advocate, 1st quarter, 2002).

Lie #1: Illegal aliens take jobs Americans won't do.
Truth: Americans are willing to do most jobs at a fair wage, but they won't do those jobs at "slave wages" or minimum wage. Thus, American workers are constantly replaced by illegal aliens willing to work for half or a third of what American workers once received. These jobs that once afforded a middle class life style now only offer illegal alien workers poverty level wages, resulting in the shrinkage of the "American Middle Class" and the enormous growth of an ever-increasing "underclass" dependent on government entitlements.

Lie #2: Illegal aliens contribute more to the economy and tax base than they take.
Truth: A large portion of illegal aliens work for cash "under the table" paying no taxes. The great majority of illegals make $6-$8 per hour, ($12,480 - $16,640 per year). At such income levels, not only is there no tax due, but they also qualify for the "earned income tax credit". In California, public education alone costs over $7,500 per pupil. Multiply that times 2-4 children, add the costs of free school breakfast and lunch, free medical care, food stamps, housing subsidies, and other entitlement "give-aways". Harvard Professor George Borjas estimates illegal immigration costs the U.S. 70 billion dollars per year and Californians $1,300 per household annually in additional taxes. The Center for Immigration Studies estimate that the average Mexican illegal alien will use $55,200 more in public services during his lifetime than he pays in taxes.

Lie #3: Without illegal alien farm labor, a head of lettuce would cost $3.00.
Truth: It already costs $3.00. You just make a $1.00 down payment at the grocery store. The government finances the other two dollars until tax time, when the additional $2.00 balance is extracted from your wallet in the form of higher taxes. The Agriculture industry gets cheap labor and higher profits, while shifting all the social costs of illegal immigrant labor to the American tax payer.

Lie #4: Most illegal aliens come here only to seek work and are law-abiding "citizens".
Truth: In Los Angeles, as of January, 2004, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens. A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico. (Source: The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave, by Heather MacDonald, City Journal, Winter 2004)

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Re: Lies That The Illegal Alien Lobby Perpetuates

Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:58 pm

Parthenon wrote:"We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works." --- Alfredo Gutierrez, political consultant, as quoted by Richard de Uriarte, The Phoenix Gazette, March 14, 1992 (quoted in The ProEnglish Advocate, 1st quarter, 2002).

Lie #1: Illegal aliens take jobs Americans won't do.
Truth: Americans are willing to do most jobs at a fair wage, but they won't do those jobs at "slave wages" or minimum wage. Thus, American workers are constantly replaced by illegal aliens willing to work for half or a third of what American workers once received. These jobs that once afforded a middle class life style now only offer illegal alien workers poverty level wages, resulting in the shrinkage of the "American Middle Class" and the enormous growth of an ever-increasing "underclass" dependent on government entitlements.

Lie #2: Illegal aliens contribute more to the economy and tax base than they take.
Truth: A large portion of illegal aliens work for cash "under the table" paying no taxes. The great majority of illegals make $6-$8 per hour, ($12,480 - $16,640 per year). At such income levels, not only is there no tax due, but they also qualify for the "earned income tax credit". In California, public education alone costs over $7,500 per pupil. Multiply that times 2-4 children, add the costs of free school breakfast and lunch, free medical care, food stamps, housing subsidies, and other entitlement "give-aways". Harvard Professor George Borjas estimates illegal immigration costs the U.S. 70 billion dollars per year and Californians $1,300 per household annually in additional taxes. The Center for Immigration Studies estimate that the average Mexican illegal alien will use $55,200 more in public services during his lifetime than he pays in taxes.



Lie #3: Without illegal alien farm labor, a head of lettuce would cost $3.00.
Truth: It already costs $3.00. You just make a $1.00 down payment at the grocery store. The government finances the other two dollars until tax time, when the additional $2.00 balance is extracted from your wallet in the form of higher taxes. The Agriculture industry gets cheap labor and higher profits, while shifting all the social costs of illegal immigrant labor to the American tax payer.

Lie #4: Most illegal aliens come here only to seek work and are law-abiding "citizens".
Truth: In Los Angeles, as of January, 2004, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens. A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico. (Source: The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave, by Heather MacDonald, City Journal, Winter 2004)


Where did you pointlessly copy-and-paste it from, so we can at least check their sources...
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Postby Phenia » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:01 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:Where did you pointlessly copy-and-paste it from, so we can at least check their sources...


Good call. Apparently:

http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/in ... audio.html

Coalition of Citizens for a Secure Georgia. Exposing the "Illegal alien lobby" and the "true agenda." Yeah I'd have been embarassed to be getting my points from there too.

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Postby Parthenon » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:02 pm

Actually, I found it on a Greek website's forum
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Postby The South Islands » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:03 pm

Lie #3: Without illegal alien farm labor, a head of lettuce would cost $3.00.
Truth: It already costs $3.00. You just make a $1.00 down payment at the grocery store. The government finances the other two dollars until tax time, when the additional $2.00 balance is extracted from your wallet in the form of higher taxes. The Agriculture industry gets cheap labor and higher profits, while shifting all the social costs of illegal immigrant labor to the American tax payer.


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Postby Carbandia » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:03 pm

Phenia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:Where did you pointlessly copy-and-paste it from, so we can at least check their sources...


Good call. Apparently:

http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/in ... audio.html

Coalition of Citizens for a Secure Georgia. Exposing the "Illegal alien lobby" and the "true agenda." Yeah I'd have been embarassed to be getting my points from there too.

I'd call it a questionable source at best. And add that thankfully not all Georgians are like that. (from first hand expirience, as I've met a few that aren't)

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:03 pm

Parthenon wrote:Actually, I found it on a Greek website's forum


It was still copy and paste spam, no matter where you dishonestly re-presented it from.

So, you got your nazi propanda at one step of remove - you still didn't credit it, or do ANYTHING to turn it into a debate. It's just more pointless hate-mongering,
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:04 pm

Phenia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:Where did you pointlessly copy-and-paste it from, so we can at least check their sources...


Good call. Apparently:

http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/in ... audio.html

Coalition of Citizens for a Secure Georgia. Exposing the "Illegal alien lobby" and the "true agenda." Yeah I'd have been embarassed to be getting my points from there too.


In all fairness, Parthenon obviously wasn't actually the author.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:05 pm

Copy paste without original commentary is against the forum rules.

Where is your original commentary, Parthenon?
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Postby Parthenon » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:07 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Parthenon wrote:Actually, I found it on a Greek website's forum


It was still copy and paste spam, no matter where you dishonestly re-presented it from.

So, you got your nazi propanda at one step of remove - you still didn't credit it, or do ANYTHING to turn it into a debate. It's just more pointless hate-mongering,

Its not hate-mongering or nazi propoganda in the least bit. Since when is supporting the laws that are already in the damn books racist? Get off your little PC throne and come back to reality where laws and justice matter and the government can't afford to support itself.
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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:08 pm

Parthenon wrote:"We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works." --- Alfredo Gutierrez, political consultant, as quoted by Richard de Uriarte, The Phoenix Gazette, March 14, 1992 (quoted in The ProEnglish Advocate, 1st quarter, 2002).)


Wait, wait. You are quoting the 7-year-old quote of an openly biased source of a 17-year-old quote of some obscure individual as evidence of what exactly?
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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:11 pm

Parthenon wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Parthenon wrote:Actually, I found it on a Greek website's forum


It was still copy and paste spam, no matter where you dishonestly re-presented it from.

So, you got your nazi propanda at one step of remove - you still didn't credit it, or do ANYTHING to turn it into a debate. It's just more pointless hate-mongering,

Its not hate-mongering or nazi propoganda in the least bit. Since when is supporting the laws that are already in the damn books racist? Get off your little PC throne and come back to reality where laws and justice matter and the government can't afford to support itself.


1. Copy-and-paste spam is against the rules.

2. Unsourced assertions are pretty worthless. Assertions "sourced" by unlinked citations to local newspaper articles are hardly better.

3. You are the one that brought up racism in your OP.
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The Cat-Tribe wrote:With that, I am done with these shenanigans. Do as thou wilt.

Can't miss you until you're gone, Ambassador. Seriously, your delegation is like one of those stores that has a "Going Out Of Business" sale for twenty years. Stay or go, already.*snip*
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:15 pm

Parthenon wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Parthenon wrote:Actually, I found it on a Greek website's forum


It was still copy and paste spam, no matter where you dishonestly re-presented it from.

So, you got your nazi propanda at one step of remove - you still didn't credit it, or do ANYTHING to turn it into a debate. It's just more pointless hate-mongering,

Its not hate-mongering or nazi propoganda in the least bit. Since when is supporting the laws that are already in the damn books racist? Get off your little PC throne and come back to reality where laws and justice matter and the government can't afford to support itself.


Alrighty. The reason why 'illegals' work 'off the books' and other 'illegal' things, is because it's 'illegal' for them to work at 'legal' jobs. This is hardly news. Suggesting that this is a racial trait, rather than a lack of choice, is racism. Blaming the economic woes of the nation on an unpopular ethnic minority, is... well, I'll leave you to work it out.
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Postby Parthenon » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:19 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:It was still copy and paste spam, no matter where you dishonestly re-presented it from.

So, you got your nazi propanda at one step of remove - you still didn't credit it, or do ANYTHING to turn it into a debate. It's just more pointless hate-mongering,

Its not hate-mongering or nazi propoganda in the least bit. Since when is supporting the laws that are already in the damn books racist? Get off your little PC throne and come back to reality where laws and justice matter and the government can't afford to support itself.


Alrighty. The reason why 'illegals' work 'off the books' and other 'illegal' things, is because it's 'illegal' for them to work at 'legal' jobs. This is hardly news. Suggesting that this is a racial trait, rather than a lack of choice, is racism. Blaming the economic woes of the nation on an unpopular ethnic minority, is... well, I'll leave you to work it out.

Who mentioned race?

Illegal Alien =/= Hispanic.

Illegal Alien = Non-citizens without visas or greencards on American soil.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:19 pm

The biggest problem that I have with both illegal immigration and those that seem to get the most hot and bothered over it is that they demonize the victims and not the culprits: The employers.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:20 pm

Parthenon wrote:Who mentioned race?

Illegal Alien =/= Hispanic.

Illegal Alien = Non-citizens without visas or greencards on American soil.


So, not only are you pasting copy/paste racism spam, you don't even read it before you post it?
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