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Wis. G.O.P Receiving Death Threats. No Call for Civility?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:37 pm
by You-Gi-Owe
Okay, I'm waiting for the calls for civility....

http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14226468

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The Wisconsin Department of Justice is investigating an e-mail threatening the lives of some Republican state senators.

DOJ spokesman William Cosh says the agency is investigating threats from several sources.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says all threatening messages have been forwarded to Capitol police.

The majority leader's spokesman, Andrew Welhouse, says the address of the person who sent one of the threatening e-mails was apparent, but police told him not to disclose it.

The e-mail said Fitzgerald and his "Republican dictators" must die because of their actions, presumably referring to GOP senators passing a bill removing most public employees' collective bargaining rights.

Fitzgerald says a protester was arrested this week for trespassing at his Dodge County home after she walked onto his porch and banged on the window.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:39 pm
by Ashmoria
if someone is issuing death threats do you call for civility or call the cops?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:39 pm
by Buurdland
Thats what happens when you take power away from the Communists...they'll go away soon

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:42 pm
by Georgism
It's okay if we do it.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:42 pm
by Drachmar
Buurdland wrote:Thats what happens when you take power away from the Communists...they'll go away soon

Yes, I've seen hundreds of thousands of them at the Capitol over the past three weeks. :roll:

Give me a break.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:43 pm
by Georgism
Drachmar wrote:Give me a break.

Exactly what I'd expect a lazy communist to say

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:48 pm
by Drachmar
Georgism wrote:
Drachmar wrote:Give me a break.

Exactly what I'd expect a lazy communist to say


A plethora of communists up here. You wouldn't believe it if you saw it. :roll:

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:50 pm
by Fartsniffage
Those sending the emails should be caught and punished. Those encouraging violence against political leaders should be censured or punished if the calls lead to actual violence.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:54 pm
by Farnhamia
Fartsniffage wrote:Those sending the emails should be caught and punished. Those encouraging violence against political leaders should be censured or punished if the calls lead to actual violence.

^This

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:57 pm
by Wilgrove
You-Gi-Owe wrote:Okay, I'm waiting for the calls for civility....

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The Wisconsin Department of Justice is investigating an e-mail threatening the lives of some Republican state senators.

DOJ spokesman William Cosh says the agency is investigating threats from several sources.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says all threatening messages have been forwarded to Capitol police.

The majority leader's spokesman, Andrew Welhouse, says the address of the person who sent one of the threatening e-mails was apparent, but police told him not to disclose it.

The e-mail said Fitzgerald and his "Republican dictators" must die because of their actions, presumably referring to GOP senators passing a bill removing most public employees' collective bargaining rights.

Fitzgerald says a protester was arrested this week for trespassing at his Dodge County home after she walked onto his porch and banged on the window.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)



A link would be nice.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:06 pm
by Gauthier
And if death threads had been issued to the Fourteen, would that even be a YGO thread?

Of course not.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:11 pm
by Herskerstad
Crowds usually do send death threats. Crowds usually do bring offensive signs and shout offensive shit. Crowds usually do stupid shit. I hate it when commentators try to brand groups of people just because people in masses usually includes a lot of idiots, regardless of the cause. It happens both left and right. It's nothing new and only really got highlighted during the tea party rallies, which now backfires on liberals as it shows crowds that protest tend to have universally offensive messages every now and then.

As far as the question goes. Of course there won't be a focus on it. It's part of the media spin. Only conservatives have the capacity to do stupid and violent shit these days if you are to believe most major news sources, even when it is the other way around. Do I think there should be a focus on it? No, because it is pretty standard for an elected official to receive death threats for whatever. Most of said mail usually goes into the 'spam' category. The entire call for civility thing is a joke regardless as rhetoric that might be construed to be violent does not lead to murderers. Sick people doing sick things lead to murderers. The entire call for civility media element is just an attempt to gain sympathy from the center when in truth they are only verbally castrating themselves. It's not like there is some assassin taking notes every time Keith Olberman put a worst person in the world countdown. If one did, it would be because they were insane to begin with, not because he was brainwashed/misinterpreted whatever message. If offensive speech lead to violence, Michael Savage would have created a mass slaughter in the US. Michael Moore would have inspired a collectivist army by now. I mean, should we trial Alan Grayson for identifying his opponent as a member of the Taliban? No, because it is a stupid PR stunt and anyone with half a brain cell would not take it seriously. Even if someone did and acted violently towards Dan's supporters, I would not blame Grayson for it. I'd tell him that his ad was stupid for many different reasons both political and of core reasoning, but it obviously does not inspire any violent message desiring harm for anyone.

Crowds tend to be stupid. The media is often even dumber. People who defend one side on something as general as crowd behavior while attacking the other is in my opinion far more likely to do something violently stupid than the ones listening to even the worst news sources. Of course, there can be exemption with militia groups and the like. The tea party does not fall into that nor does the unions, but both sure as heck fall into the category of organizations that can create some stupid looking signs and have fringe elements that can do stupid or even violent stuff.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:12 pm
by Wilgrove
Gauthier wrote:And if death threads had been issued to the Fourteen, would that even be a YGO thread?

Of course not.


Of course not. Any death threat to the Unions or Unionized Worker is deserved because they area Nazi-Communist-Islamic-Fascist who want to destroy the American way of life. However, the Republicans and Conservative are Yahweh appointed holy men, and to threaten them is to threaten this country and Yahweh himself. :p

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:12 pm
by Galenaima
I think everyone should be civil; the day public debate leads to death threats is the day America dies. Metaphorically of course.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:12 pm
by You-Gi-Owe
Gauthier wrote:And if death threads had been issued to the Fourteen, would that even be a YGO thread?

Of course not.

I just Googled for death threats against Wis. Democratic Party Politicians... Nothing there. :eyebrow:

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:15 pm
by Ifreann
Wilgrove wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:Okay, I'm waiting for the calls for civility....



A link would be nice.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2011501.shtml?cat=89
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... h-threats/

Seems this news story has only come out this morning. How lax of us all to allow ~8 hours to pass without decrying this behaviour.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:15 pm
by You-Gi-Owe
Wilgrove wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:Okay, I'm waiting for the calls for civility....



A link would be nice.

OP fixed. 8)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:16 pm
by Gauthier
Ifreann wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
A link would be nice.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2011501.shtml?cat=89
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... h-threats/

Seems this news story has only come out this morning. How lax of us all to allow ~8 hours to pass without decrying this behaviour.


Leave it to the NSG Drudgeball Champion to show us how insensitive and hypocritical we are, ignoring things like time.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:16 pm
by Deus Malum
Ifreann wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
A link would be nice.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2011501.shtml?cat=89
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... h-threats/

Seems this news story has only come out this morning. How lax of us all to allow ~8 hours to pass without decrying this behaviour.

Yeah it's almost like the general NS populace doesn't sit around watching the news like a hawk or something.

Shame on us.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:20 pm
by Revolutopia
Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:21 pm
by You-Gi-Owe
Deus Malum wrote:
Ifreann wrote:http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2011501.shtml?cat=89
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... h-threats/

Seems this news story has only come out this morning. How lax of us all to allow ~8 hours to pass without decrying this behaviour.

Yeah it's almost like the general NS populace doesn't sit around watching the news like a hawk or something.

Shame on us.

The magic of radio at the work station.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:21 pm
by You-Gi-Owe
Revolutopia wrote:Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.

Link? I really doubt this^.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:22 pm
by Gauthier
Revolutopia wrote:Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.


It's 50/50 of either being Scotty doing the Mubarak Shuffle, or some really out of it protestors deciding to go maverick.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:22 pm
by Wilgrove
I don't see anyone actually supporting the death threats or any Democrat or Union leadership supporting it.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:24 pm
by Buffett and Colbert
You know, I searched for this on the internet for real sources, and all that turned up were some right-wing blogs and Fox News. One must wonder.

But if this is true, I suppose a "call for civility" wouldn't be an awful thing. But it's not as if this is widespread. Fox and the like have been doing everything they can to make these people look horrible, but have been failing every time.