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Should Democratic Party Leaders call for civility in wake of Wis. death threats?

Yes.
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No.
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Revolutopia
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Postby Revolutopia » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:30 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:In response to your 1st paragraph. Yes, there was a mixed response from the Republican side, 1/2 of which caved and 1/2 of which viewed that particular call for civility as an attempt to stifle free speech and criticism of the Administration's policies. Yet the Administration continued to call for civility without proof of overt violence. Then a madman went on a shooting spree in AZ and it was quickly linked to political rhetoric by the mainstream media and calls for civility continued. But there wasn't any link between the madman and the rhetoric. Now, as I am wishing that the Administration would call for civility, there have been actual death threats. I feel that there is a definate difference in the threat level, therefore I feel a call for civility is justified. Do you believe that the threat level was as high when the President was calling for civility then as now?

In response to your second paragraph, do you really and seriously think that Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans could withstand an investigation by the FBI about making a death threat hoax? I am not trying to link the Democrats and the Unions to the death threats, other than it is as likely that their supports are as responsible for their wing-nuts as others deem the Republicans and the Tea Party types should be responsible for those wing-nuts. I think, because of the severity of there being death threats that it would be very good if civility were called for.


The call for civility only gained any traction after the shooting, not before which even then is when the split occurred. As much to my knowledge no body has been shot yet in Wis. therefore why Dems should have to denounce their rhetoric and believe in civility when only half of reps needed an actually shooting to change their minds. Edited new info: Moreover, as mentioned there already has been denouncing of uncivil rhetoric by Wis. Democrats why should Obama has to be involved when the State leadership already has performed the job for him.

Secondly, what makes you think a Democrat or Union would seriously believe they could withstand an investigation by the FBI about making a death threat. Also, there is precedent of Republicans lying about attacks just remember the McCain supporter who made the false claim of being attacked by a Black Obama supporter because of McCain bumper sticker.

You-Gi-Owe wrote:But the 31% that you're citing isn't a majority, is it? :(


I said by around meaning that 31% more individuals supported the unions over walker. In that 61% of individuals supported the Unions to the 33% supporting Walker. Sorry if that was not clear.
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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:35 pm

Democrats are hypocrites. Tell me something new.

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Postby Luciratus » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:38 pm

Lerro wrote:Some Democrats are hypocrites, as are some Republicans. Tell me something new.

The corrections are in red.
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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:39 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Lerro wrote:Some Democrats are hypocrites, as are some Republicans. Tell me something new.

The corrections are in red.


Nearly all Democrats, some Republicans.

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Postby Luciratus » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:41 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:In response to your 1st paragraph. Yes, there was a mixed response from the Republican side, 1/2 of which caved and 1/2 of which viewed that particular call for civility as an attempt to stifle free speech and criticism of the Administration's policies. Yet the Administration continued to call for civility without proof of overt violence. Then a madman went on a shooting spree in AZ and it was quickly linked to political rhetoric by the mainstream media and calls for civility continued. But there wasn't any link between the madman and the rhetoric. Now, as I am wishing that the Administration would call for civility, there have been actual death threats. I feel that there is a definate difference in the threat level, therefore I feel a call for civility is justified. Do you believe that the threat level was as high when the President was calling for civility then as now?

In response to your second paragraph, do you really and seriously think that Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans could withstand an investigation by the FBI about making a death threat hoax? I am not trying to link the Democrats and the Unions to the death threats, other than it is as likely that their supports are as responsible for their wing-nuts as others deem the Republicans and the Tea Party types should be responsible for those wing-nuts. I think, because of the severity of there being death threats that it would be very good if civility were called for.


The call for civility only gained any traction after the shooting, not before which even then is when the split occurred. As much to my knowledge no body has been shot yet in Wis. therefore why Dems should have to denounce their rhetoric and believe in civility when only half of reps needed an actually shooting to change their minds. Edited new info: Moreover, as mentioned there already has been denouncing of uncivil rhetoric by Wis. Democrats why should Obama has to be involved when the State leadership already has performed the job for him.

Secondly, what makes you think a Democrat or Union would seriously believe they could withstand an investigation by the FBI about making a death threat. Also, there is precedent of Republicans lying about attacks just remember the McCain supporter who made the false claim of being attacked by a Black Obama supporter because of McCain bumper sticker.

You-Gi-Owe wrote:But the 31% that you're citing isn't a majority, is it? :(


I said by around meaning that 31% more individuals supported the unions over walker. In that 61% of individuals supported the Unions to the 33% supporting Walker. Sorry if that was not clear.

Might I remind you that nobody has demonstrated the existence of evidence confirming that the Tuscon shooter was motivated by extremist rhetoric on either side? If such evidence does exist, I would be most grateful if you have a source of some kind.
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Postby Wamitoria » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:41 pm

Lerro wrote:
Luciratus wrote:The corrections are in red.


Nearly all Democrats, some Republicans.

Actually, nearly all Republicans are hypocrites, too.
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Postby Luciratus » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:42 pm

Lerro wrote:
Luciratus wrote:The corrections are in red.


Nearly all Democrats, some Republicans.

Nonsense. I oppose Democratic ideas, but that doesn't mean they are all hypocrites. The simple fact is that you will meet more wing-nuts on this forum than in real life. The elite tend to be more extremist- or is it the other way around? The extremist tend to be more elite? This does not make them hypocrites, though. Merely, they are political artists. How vulgar a craft!
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Stop the killing! Free Libya!
Please, help Japan and Oceania in any manner possible. Pray or hope for their safety and health.
I am a Grammar Nazi. As such, I prefer posts that are comprehensible.
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:War is a necessary evil. True peace is impossible.
As long as we tell ourselves the first sentence, the second one will always be true.

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Cameroi wrote:And I still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.

Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?

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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:42 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Lerro wrote:
Nearly all Democrats, some Republicans.

Actually, nearly all Republicans are hypocrites, too.



The "progressive" ones are.

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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:43 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Lerro wrote:
Nearly all Democrats, some Republicans.

Nonsense. I oppose Democratic ideas, but that doesn't mean they are all hypocrites. The simple fact is that you will meet more wing-nuts on this forum than in real life. The elite tend to be more extremist- or is it the other way around? The extremist tend to be more elite?


Democrats just asserted that following the legislative process and passing bills on majority vote are an affront to Democracy, whereas conspiring to prevent a vote is not.

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Postby Wamitoria » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:43 pm

Lerro wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Actually, nearly all Republicans are hypocrites, too.



The "progressive" ones are.

There are no progressive Republicans. Y'all purged them.
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Postby Luciratus » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:43 pm

Lerro wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Actually, nearly all Republicans are hypocrites, too.



The "progressive" ones are.

What is wrong with gay rights and limited government intervention? :?
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Please, help Japan and Oceania in any manner possible. Pray or hope for their safety and health.
I am a Grammar Nazi. As such, I prefer posts that are comprehensible.
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:War is a necessary evil. True peace is impossible.
As long as we tell ourselves the first sentence, the second one will always be true.

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Cameroi wrote:And I still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.

Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?

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Postby Luciratus » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:44 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Lerro wrote:

The "progressive" ones are.

There are no progressive Republicans. Y'all purged them.

Lies. :palm: *I candidly point to John McCain prior to the 2008 elections.*
Stop the killing! Free Libya!
Please, help Japan and Oceania in any manner possible. Pray or hope for their safety and health.
I am a Grammar Nazi. As such, I prefer posts that are comprehensible.
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:War is a necessary evil. True peace is impossible.
As long as we tell ourselves the first sentence, the second one will always be true.

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Cameroi wrote:And I still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.

Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?

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Postby Wamitoria » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:45 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:There are no progressive Republicans. Y'all purged them.

Lies. :palm: *I candidly point to John McCain prior to the 2008 elections.*

The purge was post-Obamalection.
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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:45 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Lerro wrote:

The "progressive" ones are.

What is wrong with gay rights and limited government intervention? :?


"limited government intervention"


HA HA HA
No.


If we have gay rights, I think we should give fifty five year olds the right to marry eight year old girls. Nothing sexual, mind you. Just marriage.
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Postby Luciratus » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:46 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Luciratus wrote:Lies. :palm: *I candidly point to John McCain prior to the 2008 elections.*

The purge was post-Obamalection.

Well, it would have helped if Obama and Congress (this is the more important one) wasn't so infatuated with the idea of pressing a universal healthcare system which most Republicans didn't want. Polarization is a bitch.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:War is a necessary evil. True peace is impossible.
As long as we tell ourselves the first sentence, the second one will always be true.

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Cameroi wrote:And I still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.

Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:46 pm

Lerro wrote:
Luciratus wrote:What is wrong with gay rights and limited government intervention? :?


"limited government intervention"


HA HA HA
No.


If we have gay rights I think we should give fifty five year olds the right to marry eight year old girls. Nothing sexual, mind you. Just marriage.


Ah, so you're saying homosexuality = pedophilia? Brilliant scientific observation.
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Postby Luciratus » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:47 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Lerro wrote:
"limited government intervention"


HA HA HA
No.


If we have gay rights I think we should give fifty five year olds the right to marry eight year old girls. Nothing sexual, mind you. Just marriage.


Ah, so you're saying homosexuality = pedophilia? Brilliant scientific observation.

Thank you. The difference is based on consent laws, which are crucial.
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Mosasauria wrote:War is a necessary evil. True peace is impossible.
As long as we tell ourselves the first sentence, the second one will always be true.

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Cameroi wrote:And I still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.

Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?

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Postby Wamitoria » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:47 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:The purge was post-Obamalection.

Well, it would have helped if Obama wasn't so infatuated with the idea of pressing a universal healthcare system which most Republicans didn't want. Polarization is a bitch.

Most of America wanted it. Not his fault for listening to the people.
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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:48 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Lerro wrote:
"limited government intervention"


HA HA HA
No.


If we have gay rights I think we should give fifty five year olds the right to marry eight year old girls. Nothing sexual, mind you. Just marriage.


Ah, so you're saying homosexuality = pedophilia? Brilliant scientific observation.



"Nothing sexual, mind you."

Repeat that sentence over and over again in your head.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:48 pm

Lerro wrote:If we have gay rights, I think we should give fifty five year olds the right to marry eight year old girls. Nothing sexual, mind you. Just marriage.


So if we protect homosexuals from troops being barracked in their home then we should allow 55 year old to marry children?
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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:49 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Lerro wrote:If we have gay rights, I think we should give fifty five year olds the right to marry eight year old girls. Nothing sexual, mind you. Just marriage.


So if we protect homosexuals from troops being barracked in their home then we should allow 55 year old to marry children?



Sounds like you run that through Babelfish a couple of times.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:50 pm

Lerro wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So if we protect homosexuals from troops being barracked in their home then we should allow 55 year old to marry children?



Sounds like you run that through Babelfish a couple of times.


Really? Seems like you just don't have an answer to me...

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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:50 pm

Back to the main point. If all these protests and threats occurred against Jim Doyle, Walker's predecessor, liberals would have been furious.

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Postby Luciratus » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:51 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Luciratus wrote:Well, it would have helped if Obama wasn't so infatuated with the idea of pressing a universal healthcare system which most Republicans didn't want. Polarization is a bitch.

Most of America wanted it. Not his fault for listening to the people.

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The polls are conflicted, but it is likely a slight majority opposed it. The same thing happened under Clinton, and honestly there are other methods of supporting those weighed down by "health debts".
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Stop the killing! Free Libya!
Please, help Japan and Oceania in any manner possible. Pray or hope for their safety and health.
I am a Grammar Nazi. As such, I prefer posts that are comprehensible.
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:War is a necessary evil. True peace is impossible.
As long as we tell ourselves the first sentence, the second one will always be true.

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Cameroi wrote:And I still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.

Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?

Ezekiel Bardoff (dictator)
Yavid Biram (chairman)
Yashua Mithridates (two terms)
Alistaire Hawthorne (current)

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Postby Lerro » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:51 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Lerro wrote:

Sounds like you run that through Babelfish a couple of times.


Really? Seems like you just don't have an answer to me...



No, I genuinely don't understand that sentence.

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