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West Guiana wrote:

Buurdland wrote:Plus thousands of Communist spies protesting at the Capitol...bit of a threat eh guv'ner?

I'd rather vote for communism than the Nazi's.

You-Gi-Owe wrote:

Los Cabreddes wrote:Well as a Republican I can't help but think that this is the best gift we could've gotten from you guys. I mean, way to "show" that you really have nothing to say.

^ This.

Los Cabreddes wrote:

West Guiana wrote:(Image)
I'd rather vote for communism than the Nazi's.

Well sorry pal because we don't have communists in this country and the democrats are Nazis! Just like at their actual policies: forcing people to buy health care, opposing nearly all economic freedom while keeping big corprorations alive on the government dole, and supporting gigantic ideologically driven stimulus plans that feature building huge wind farms and hiking trails. Also, they're vegetarians, and I have a very hard time imagining Papa Stalin turning down a good steak!

Gauthier wrote:

greed and death wrote:Wait a minute, I think i can make both the immigrants and the tea party happy, I will simply need a lot of make up artist and skin whitener.

An army of Michael Jacksons? No thanks.

Drachmar wrote:

Gauthier wrote:
An army of Michael Jacksons? No thanks.

That sounds more like the Zombie Apocalypse.

Los Cabreddes wrote:

You-Gi-Owe wrote:^ This.

Just to relive old times!

Gauthier wrote:

Drachmar wrote:That sounds more like the Zombie Apocalypse.

Raging as Thriller plays over the public loudspeakers.

Drachmar wrote:

Gauthier wrote:
Raging as Thriller plays over the public loudspeakers.

As a DJ, I can make that happen.

Daistallia 2104 wrote:

Daistallia 2104 wrote:Frankly, after all the lies and dirty tricks the WI GOP has pulled, I'm calling complete bullshit on this.

From what I can tell, there's been no substantiation of these threats since I called BS on them.

Female Suspect in WI Death Threats Has Reportedly Confessed
The Wisconsin authorities actually located one of the loons who sent the Wisconsin GOP members death threats.
The Port Washington-Saukville Patch reported:
News that the state Justice Department has identified one suspect in connection with death threats sent to Republican state senators comes as at least a minor relief to Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend).
"They caught someone? Good," he said Friday night. "I am waiting to hear the background of the type of person who would do such a devious thing."

Violent Threats Against Wisconsin Republicans Increase
COMMENTARY | Elected officials in Wisconsin need our prayers. With the Tucson tragedy still fresh in the minds of Americans, at least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
Several suspects have been identified, while obscene phone calls, threatening e-mails and other "thug-like" intimidation tactics continue to be used by union supporters to incite violence and anger toward Republican senators.
One particularly threatening e-mail warned Republican lawmakers to "put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks."
Why all the hate?
The heated battle started when Walker introduced his budget repair bill, which originally contained fiscal language designed to cover a $137 million budget deficit. Most importantly, the bill also placed limits on collective bargaining rights for state union workers, excluding police and firefighters.
Protests and death threats against Republican legislators intensified after a modified version of the bill passed the Senate and ultimately the Assembly. To make the vote possible in the absence of 14 Democratic colleagues, all fiscal language was stripped from the legislation leaving only collective bargaining restrictions.
Wisconsin protests turn ugly
Since Walker signed the anti-union bill into law, protests in Madison, Wis. have been anything but peaceful.
After causing an estimated $7.5 million in property damage to the State Capitol, Wisconsin protesters are now the stars of amateur videos springing up on social networks like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
Earlier in the Wisconsin budget battle timeline, Massachusetts Rep. Michael Capauno told a group of Boston union members that collective bargaining battles were so important "every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody."
On the other side of the fence, Sarah Palin told Fox News Wisconsin union bosses were "acting like thugs" and it's their responsibility to "turn down the rhetoric and start getting truth out there so that nobody gets hurt."
What happens now?
While recall efforts, lawsuits and political strategies are being discussed on both sides of the aisle, there's one thing Republican and Democratic lawmakers can agree on -- the battle over unions and collective bargaining has just begun.

Luciratus wrote:

Grave_n_idle wrote:
I still think that - while it was bad politics - Alan Grayson had it right when he said that the Republican healthcare reform plan was 'don't get sick' and if you do get sick, 'die quickly'.

Bullshit and Alan Grayson is an ass. The Republicans preffered a less centralized style of reform- such as making the existing systems more accessible and putting more funds into those programs (at least that is what they asserted). To suggest that they wanted to do nothing (especially when they made suggestions that merely differed from the Democratic plan) is asinine.

Luciratus wrote:

Revolutopia wrote:
Really, is that why they basically sat in the back and bitched while suggesting almost nothing to the debate. Besides, of course suggesting lower taxes and less regulations as how that is the perfect idea to lower costs and give people better coverage.

Do you believe that the Republican Party sincerely supports the deathes of people unable to afford coverage?

Dyakovo wrote:

Luciratus wrote:Bullshit and Alan Grayson is an ass. The Republicans preffered a less centralized style of reform- such as making the existing systems more accessible and putting more funds into those programs (at least that is what they asserted). To suggest that they wanted to do nothing (especially when they made suggestions that merely differed from the Democratic plan) is asinine.

It isn't at all asinine. When asked for their input they had nothing

You-Gi-Owe wrote:

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
From what I can tell, there's been no substantiation of these threats since I called BS on them.

Take your BS and bathe in it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/3022/03/23/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed

Female Suspect in WI Death Threats Has Reportedly Confessed
The Wisconsin authorities actually located one of the loons who sent the Wisconsin GOP members death threats.
The Port Washington-Saukville Patch reported:
News that the state Justice Department has identified one suspect in connection with death threats sent to Republican state senators comes as at least a minor relief to Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend).
"They caught someone? Good," he said Friday night. "I am waiting to hear the background of the type of person who would do such a devious thing."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110313/us_ac/8054678_violent_threats_against_wisconsin_republicans_increase

Violent Threats Against Wisconsin Republicans Increase
COMMENTARY | Elected officials in Wisconsin need our prayers. With the Tucson tragedy still fresh in the minds of Americans, at least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
Several suspects have been identified, while obscene phone calls, threatening e-mails and other "thug-like" intimidation tactics continue to be used by union supporters to incite violence and anger toward Republican senators.
One particularly threatening e-mail warned Republican lawmakers to "put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks."
Why all the hate?
The heated battle started when Walker introduced his budget repair bill, which originally contained fiscal language designed to cover a $137 million budget deficit. Most importantly, the bill also placed limits on collective bargaining rights for state union workers, excluding police and firefighters.
Protests and death threats against Republican legislators intensified after a modified version of the bill passed the Senate and ultimately the Assembly. To make the vote possible in the absence of 14 Democratic colleagues, all fiscal language was stripped from the legislation leaving only collective bargaining restrictions.
Wisconsin protests turn ugly
Since Walker signed the anti-union bill into law, protests in Madison, Wis. have been anything but peaceful.
After causing an estimated $7.5 million in property damage to the State Capitol, Wisconsin protesters are now the stars of amateur videos springing up on social networks like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
Earlier in the Wisconsin budget battle timeline, Massachusetts Rep. Michael Capauno told a group of Boston union members that collective bargaining battles were so important "every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody."
On the other side of the fence, Sarah Palin told Fox News Wisconsin union bosses were "acting like thugs" and it's their responsibility to "turn down the rhetoric and start getting truth out there so that nobody gets hurt."
What happens now?
While recall efforts, lawsuits and political strategies are being discussed on both sides of the aisle, there's one thing Republican and Democratic lawmakers can agree on -- the battle over unions and collective bargaining has just begun.

Fartsniffage wrote:

You-Gi-Owe wrote:^ This.

What exactly are you taking from his statement?

Ryadn wrote:

Bottle wrote:[Bottle rants a bit]

Thanks, I didn't really mean to go off like that, but like, fucking, seriously? "Be civil" they say, as if there's a way to have a "civil" debate about whether female human beings should get basic human rights, or a "civil" way to debate whether my relationship with my girlfriend is destroying the fabric of society, or a "civil" way to debate whether the alliance between godless people and Satan is a literal one or only a figurative one, or a "civil" way to debate whether people who support universal health care are communist traitors who deserve to be shot. Civility can fuck right off, as far as I'm concerned, because I don't believe there's any polite way to tell somebody that you think they're intrinsically worth less than you are.

I'm sick to fucking death of everyone demanding that us non-straight-white-male-Christian-richass-motherfuckers take time out of our days to be NICER and EXPLAIN things, POLITELY please, because of fucking course none of us have anything better to do than hold the hands of the people who shit on us daily. If only we'd be NICER and watch our TONE please and thankyou, then they'd be willing to give us our basic rights and junk, it's just that we're so goshdarn MEAN and that, THAT my friends is why gay people can't get married and women can't get medical care and atheists can't get elected worth shit and liberals get called traitors for suggesting that maybe we shouldn't fucking bomb civilians in countries that never fucking attacked us. Because of TONE. Because we didn't ask NICELY enough for our rights, please sir, and can I have another? Because that's how it works, right? Marginalized people shut up and keep it down and don't make waves and are nice and sweet and helpful, and then the oppressive class just decides to be all friendly and hand out civil rights like party favors. Fuck off, man, we're marginalized but we're not fucking morons. We can read history too.

You write things like that, and I want to get 'civil' with you in ways that are still illegal in most of the country.

You-Gi-Owe wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Are you accusing me of being a hypocrite?

Am I?
Did you think there was really a previous need for "calls of civility" with "targeted districts" and posters with "crosshairs" and do you now feel there's no need to quell the heated rhetoric?

You-Gi-Owe wrote:

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
From what I can tell, there's been no substantiation of these threats since I called BS on them.

Take your BS and bathe in it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/03/23/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed

Female Suspect in WI Death Threats Has Reportedly Confessed
The Wisconsin authorities actually located one of the loons who sent the Wisconsin GOP members death threats.
The Port Washington-Saukville Patch reported:
News that the state Justice Department has identified one suspect in connection with death threats sent to Republican state senators comes as at least a minor relief to Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend).
"They caught someone? Good," he said Friday night. "I am waiting to hear the background of the type of person who would do such a devious thing."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110313/us_ac/8054678_violent_threats_against_wisconsin_republicans_increase

Violent Threats Against Wisconsin Republicans Increase
COMMENTARY | Elected officials in Wisconsin need our prayers. With the Tucson tragedy still fresh in the minds of Americans, at least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
Several suspects have been identified, while obscene phone calls, threatening e-mails and other "thug-like" intimidation tactics continue to be used by union supporters to incite violence and anger toward Republican senators.
One particularly threatening e-mail warned Republican lawmakers to "put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks."
Why all the hate?
The heated battle started when Walker introduced his budget repair bill, which originally contained fiscal language designed to cover a $137 million budget deficit. Most importantly, the bill also placed limits on collective bargaining rights for state union workers, excluding police and firefighters.
Protests and death threats against Republican legislators intensified after a modified version of the bill passed the Senate and ultimately the Assembly. To make the vote possible in the absence of 14 Democratic colleagues, all fiscal language was stripped from the legislation leaving only collective bargaining restrictions.
Wisconsin protests turn ugly
Since Walker signed the anti-union bill into law, protests in Madison, Wis. have been anything but peaceful.
After causing an estimated $7.5 million in property damage to the State Capitol, Wisconsin protesters are now the stars of amateur videos springing up on social networks like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
Earlier in the Wisconsin budget battle timeline, Massachusetts Rep. Michael Capauno told a group of Boston union members that collective bargaining battles were so important "every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody."
On the other side of the fence, Sarah Palin told Fox News Wisconsin union bosses were "acting like thugs" and it's their responsibility to "turn down the rhetoric and start getting truth out there so that nobody gets hurt."
What happens now?
While recall efforts, lawsuits and political strategies are being discussed on both sides of the aisle, there's one thing Republican and Democratic lawmakers can agree on -- the battle over unions and collective bargaining has just begun.

Occupied Deutschland wrote:The had this

Repeal the Costly Health Care Takeover of 2010
Because the new health care law kills jobs, raises taxes, and increases the cost of health care, we will immediately take action to repeal this law.

Enact Medical Liability Reform
Skyrocketing medical liability insurance rates have distorted the practice of medicine, routinely forcing doctors to order costly and often unnecessary tests to protect themselves from lawsuits, often referred to as "defensive medicine." We will enact common-sense medical liability reforms to lower costs, rein in junk lawsuits and curb defensive medicine.

Purchase Health Insurance across State Lines
Americans residing in a state with expensive health insurance plans are locked into those plans and do not currently have an opportunity to choose a lower cost option that best meets their needs. We will allow individuals to buy health care coverage outside of the state in which they live.

Expand Health Savings Accounts
Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) are popular savings accounts that provide cost-effective health insurance to those who might otherwise go uninsured. We will improve HSAs by making it easier for patients with high-deductible health plans to use them to obtain access to quality care. We will repeal the new health care law, which prevents the use of these savings accounts to purchase over-the-counter medicine.

Strengthen the Doctor-Patient Relationship
We will repeal President Obama's government takeover of health care and replace it with common-sense reforms focused on strengthening the doctor-patient relationship.

Ensure Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions
Health care should be accessible for all, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses. We will expand state high-risk pools, reinsurance programs and reduce the cost of coverage. We will make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps, and prevent insurers from dropping your coverage just because you get sick. We will incentivize states to develop innovative programs that lower premiums and reduce the number of uninsured Americans.

Permanently Prohibit Taxpayer Funding of Abortion
We will establish a government-wide prohibition on taxpayer funding of abortion and subsidies for insurance coverage that includes abortion. This prohibition would go further and enact into law what is known as the Hyde Amendment as well as ban other instances of federal subsidies for abortion services. We will also enact into law conscience protections for health care providers, including doctors, nurses, and hospitals.

From their "Pledge to America" Spiel.

You-Gi-Owe wrote:[spoiler]

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
From what I can tell, there's been no substantiation of these threats since I called BS on them.

Take your BS and bathe in it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/3022/03/23/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed

Female Suspect in WI Death Threats Has Reportedly Confessed
The Wisconsin authorities actually located one of the loons who sent the Wisconsin GOP members death threats.
The Port Washington-Saukville Patch reported:
News that the state Justice Department has identified one suspect in connection with death threats sent to Republican state senators comes as at least a minor relief to Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend).
"They caught someone? Good," he said Friday night. "I am waiting to hear the background of the type of person who would do such a devious thing."

[spoiler]

Violent Threats Against Wisconsin Republicans Increase
COMMENTARY | Elected officials in Wisconsin need our prayers. With the Tucson tragedy still fresh in the minds of Americans, at least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
Several suspects have been identified, while obscene phone calls, threatening e-mails and other "thug-like" intimidation tactics continue to be used by union supporters to incite violence and anger toward Republican senators.
One particularly threatening e-mail warned Republican lawmakers to "put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks."
Why all the hate?

The heated battle started when Walker introduced his budget repair bill, which originally contained fiscal language designed to cover a $137 million budget deficit. Most importantly, the bill also placed limits on collective bargaining rights for state union workers, excluding police and firefighters.
Protests and death threats against Republican legislators intensified after a modified version of the bill passed the Senate and ultimately the Assembly. To make the vote possible in the absence of 14 Democratic colleagues, all fiscal language was stripped from the legislation leaving only collective bargaining restrictions.

Wisconsin protests turn ugly
Since Walker signed the anti-union bill into law, protests in Madison, Wis. have been anything but peaceful.
After causing an estimated $7.5 million in property damage to the State Capitol, Wisconsin protesters are now the stars of amateur videos springing up on social networks like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.

Earlier in the Wisconsin budget battle timeline, Massachusetts Rep. Michael Capauno told a group of Boston union members that collective bargaining battles were so important "every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody."

On the other side of the fence, Sarah Palin told Fox News Wisconsin union bosses were "acting like thugs" and it's their responsibility to "turn down the rhetoric and start getting truth out there so that nobody gets hurt."
What happens now?
While recall efforts, lawsuits and political strategies are being discussed on both sides of the aisle, there's one thing Republican and Democratic lawmakers can agree on -- the battle over unions and collective bargaining has just begun.

Revolutopia wrote:

You-Gi-Owe wrote:Take your BS and bathe in it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/03/23/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110313/us_ac/8054678_violent_threats_against_wisconsin_republicans_increase

Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.

Revolutopia wrote:

You-Gi-Owe wrote:Take your BS and bathe in it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/03/23/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110313/us_ac/8054678_violent_threats_against_wisconsin_republicans_increase

Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.

Daistallia 2104 wrote:

Revolutopia wrote:
Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.

Not only that, one is from Fox news, an organization that has already been shown to be lying in it's coverage of the events in Wisconsin. If Fox is your source YGO, I call double BS.

You-Gi-Owe wrote:

Revolutopia wrote:
Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.

There was no proof that the "heated rhetoric" that was going on at the time of the AZ madman shooting was what casused that shooting. I'm just waiting for a call of civility during this time that Republicans are receiving death threats.

Occupied Deutschland wrote:

Dyakovo wrote:It isn't at all asinine. When asked for their input they had nothing

The had this

Repeal the Costly Health Care Takeover of 2010
Because the new health care law kills jobs, raises taxes, and increases the cost of health care, we will immediately take action to repeal this law.

Enact Medical Liability Reform
Skyrocketing medical liability insurance rates have distorted the practice of medicine, routinely forcing doctors to order costly and often unnecessary tests to protect themselves from lawsuits, often referred to as "defensive medicine." We will enact common-sense medical liability reforms to lower costs, rein in junk lawsuits and curb defensive medicine.

Purchase Health Insurance across State Lines
Americans residing in a state with expensive health insurance plans are locked into those plans and do not currently have an opportunity to choose a lower cost option that best meets their needs. We will allow individuals to buy health care coverage outside of the state in which they live.

Expand Health Savings Accounts
Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) are popular savings accounts that provide cost-effective health insurance to those who might otherwise go uninsured. We will improve HSAs by making it easier for patients with high-deductible health plans to use them to obtain access to quality care. We will repeal the new health care law, which prevents the use of these savings accounts to purchase over-the-counter medicine.

Strengthen the Doctor-Patient Relationship
We will repeal President Obama's government takeover of health care and replace it with common-sense reforms focused on strengthening the doctor-patient relationship.

Ensure Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions
Health care should be accessible for all, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses. We will expand state high-risk pools, reinsurance programs and reduce the cost of coverage. We will make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps, and prevent insurers from dropping your coverage just because you get sick. We will incentivize states to develop innovative programs that lower premiums and reduce the number of uninsured Americans.

Permanently Prohibit Taxpayer Funding of Abortion
We will establish a government-wide prohibition on taxpayer funding of abortion and subsidies for insurance coverage that includes abortion. This prohibition would go further and enact into law what is known as the Hyde Amendment as well as ban other instances of federal subsidies for abortion services. We will also enact into law conscience protections for health care providers, including doctors, nurses, and hospitals.

From their "Pledge to America" Spiel.