NATION

PASSWORD

Wis. G.O.P Receiving Death Threats. No Call for Civility?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Should Democratic Party Leaders call for civility in wake of Wis. death threats?

Yes.
101
59%
Maybe.
12
7%
No.
58
34%
 
Total votes : 171

User avatar
Los Cabreddes
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1413
Founded: Feb 27, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Los Cabreddes » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:24 pm

West Guiana wrote:
Buurdland wrote:Plus thousands of Communist spies protesting at the Capitol...bit of a threat eh guv'ner?

Image
I'd rather vote for communism than the Nazi's.


Well sorry pal because we don't have communists in this country and the democrats are Nazis! Just like at their actual policies: forcing people to buy health care, opposing nearly all economic freedom while keeping big corprorations alive on the government dole, and supporting gigantic ideologically driven stimulus plans that feature building huge wind farms and hiking trails. Also, they're vegetarians, and I have a very hard time imagining Papa Stalin turning down a good steak! :p
FYI: Grammar Nazis not welcome. Aei wull pel wow Aei wyke.

User avatar
Los Cabreddes
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1413
Founded: Feb 27, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Los Cabreddes » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:24 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Los Cabreddes wrote:Well as a Republican I can't help but think that this is the best gift we could've gotten from you guys. I mean, way to "show" that you really have nothing to say.

^ This. :clap:


Just to relive old times! :p
FYI: Grammar Nazis not welcome. Aei wull pel wow Aei wyke.

User avatar
Zephie
Senator
 
Posts: 4548
Founded: Oct 30, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby Zephie » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:56 pm

These teachers deserve to lose their jobs, honestly.
When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.
Senestrum wrote:I just can't think of anything to say that wouldn't get me warned on this net-nanny forum.

User avatar
Kazomal
Minister
 
Posts: 2892
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Kazomal » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:19 pm

Los Cabreddes wrote:
West Guiana wrote:(Image)
I'd rather vote for communism than the Nazi's.


Well sorry pal because we don't have communists in this country and the democrats are Nazis! Just like at their actual policies: forcing people to buy health care, opposing nearly all economic freedom while keeping big corprorations alive on the government dole, and supporting gigantic ideologically driven stimulus plans that feature building huge wind farms and hiking trails. Also, they're vegetarians, and I have a very hard time imagining Papa Stalin turning down a good steak! :p


Good point, democrats are Nazis and vegetarians :roll:

American democrats are definitely capitalists, It was Bush and the repubs who gave out the bailouts, by the by
Last edited by Kazomal on Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:25 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Check out Rabbit Punch, the MMA, Sports, News & Politics blog, now in two great flavors!

Rabbit Punch: Sports (MMA and Sports Blog)- http://www.rabbitpunch1.blogspot.com
Rabbit Punch: Politics (News and Politics, the Ultimate Contact Sports)- http://rabbitpunchpolitics.blogspot.com/

User avatar
Drachmar
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1126
Founded: Sep 10, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Drachmar » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:21 pm

Gauthier wrote:
greed and death wrote:Wait a minute, I think i can make both the immigrants and the tea party happy, I will simply need a lot of make up artist and skin whitener.


An army of Michael Jacksons? No thanks.

That sounds more like the Zombie Apocalypse. :blink:
Favorite quotes:

Grave_n_idle wrote:
United Marktoria wrote:Your unconscious mind is gold. my friend.

...which explains why people keep sticking shovels in your head.


Katganistan wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:I'm a monster in bed.

Women run screaming from you? ;)

User avatar
Gauthier
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52887
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Gauthier » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:27 pm

Drachmar wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
An army of Michael Jacksons? No thanks.

That sounds more like the Zombie Apocalypse. :blink:


Raging as Thriller plays over the public loudspeakers.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

User avatar
Daistallia 2104
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7848
Founded: Jan 14, 2004
Ex-Nation

Postby Daistallia 2104 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:31 pm

Los Cabreddes wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:^ This. :clap:


Just to relive old times! :p


Faking death threats against yourselves as a way to gain sympathy - bravo.
NSWiki|HP
Stupidity is like nuclear power; it can be used for good or evil, and you don't want to get any on you. - Scott Adams
Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness. - Terry Pratchett
Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions
How our economy really works.
Obama is a conservative, not a liberal, and certainly not a socialist.

User avatar
Drachmar
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1126
Founded: Sep 10, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Drachmar » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:43 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Drachmar wrote:That sounds more like the Zombie Apocalypse. :blink:


Raging as Thriller plays over the public loudspeakers.


As a DJ, I can make that happen. ;)
Favorite quotes:

Grave_n_idle wrote:
United Marktoria wrote:Your unconscious mind is gold. my friend.

...which explains why people keep sticking shovels in your head.


Katganistan wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:I'm a monster in bed.

Women run screaming from you? ;)

User avatar
Daistallia 2104
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7848
Founded: Jan 14, 2004
Ex-Nation

Postby Daistallia 2104 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:37 pm

Drachmar wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Raging as Thriller plays over the public loudspeakers.


As a DJ, I can make that happen. ;)


Dooo iiit.
NSWiki|HP
Stupidity is like nuclear power; it can be used for good or evil, and you don't want to get any on you. - Scott Adams
Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness. - Terry Pratchett
Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions
How our economy really works.
Obama is a conservative, not a liberal, and certainly not a socialist.

User avatar
Lacadaemon
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5322
Founded: Aug 26, 2004
Ex-Nation

Postby Lacadaemon » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:53 pm

The main, and most important thing, is that now this sordid collective bargaining nonsense is behind us, the asset stripping process can begin.
The kind of middle-class mentality which actuates both those responsible for strategy and government has little knowledge of the new psychology and organizing ability of the totalitarian States. The forces we are fighting are governed neither by the old strategy nor follow the old tactics.

User avatar
You-Gi-Owe
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6230
Founded: Jul 26, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby You-Gi-Owe » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:59 pm

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:Frankly, after all the lies and dirty tricks the WI GOP has pulled, I'm calling complete bullshit on this.


From what I can tell, there's been no substantiation of these threats since I called BS on them.

Take your BS and bathe in it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/03/12/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed
Female Suspect in WI Death Threats Has Reportedly Confessed
The Wisconsin authorities actually located one of the loons who sent the Wisconsin GOP members death threats.
The Port Washington-Saukville Patch reported:
News that the state Justice Department has identified one suspect in connection with death threats sent to Republican state senators comes as at least a minor relief to Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend).
"They caught someone? Good," he said Friday night. "I am waiting to hear the background of the type of person who would do such a devious thing."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110313/us_ac/8054678_violent_threats_against_wisconsin_republicans_increase
Violent Threats Against Wisconsin Republicans Increase
COMMENTARY | Elected officials in Wisconsin need our prayers. With the Tucson tragedy still fresh in the minds of Americans, at least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
Several suspects have been identified, while obscene phone calls, threatening e-mails and other "thug-like" intimidation tactics continue to be used by union supporters to incite violence and anger toward Republican senators.
One particularly threatening e-mail warned Republican lawmakers to "put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks."
Why all the hate?
The heated battle started when Walker introduced his budget repair bill, which originally contained fiscal language designed to cover a $137 million budget deficit. Most importantly, the bill also placed limits on collective bargaining rights for state union workers, excluding police and firefighters.
Protests and death threats against Republican legislators intensified after a modified version of the bill passed the Senate and ultimately the Assembly. To make the vote possible in the absence of 14 Democratic colleagues, all fiscal language was stripped from the legislation leaving only collective bargaining restrictions.
Wisconsin protests turn ugly
Since Walker signed the anti-union bill into law, protests in Madison, Wis. have been anything but peaceful.
After causing an estimated $7.5 million in property damage to the State Capitol, Wisconsin protesters are now the stars of amateur videos springing up on social networks like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
Earlier in the Wisconsin budget battle timeline, Massachusetts Rep. Michael Capauno told a group of Boston union members that collective bargaining battles were so important "every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody."
On the other side of the fence, Sarah Palin told Fox News Wisconsin union bosses were "acting like thugs" and it's their responsibility to "turn down the rhetoric and start getting truth out there so that nobody gets hurt."
What happens now?
While recall efforts, lawsuits and political strategies are being discussed on both sides of the aisle, there's one thing Republican and Democratic lawmakers can agree on -- the battle over unions and collective bargaining has just begun.


edit for url fix
Last edited by You-Gi-Owe on Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:13 pm, edited 2 times in total.
“Man, I'm so hip I won't even eat a square meal!”
"We've always been at war with Eastasia." 1984, George Orwell
Tyrion: "Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them!"
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” ~ James Madison quotes

User avatar
Dyakovo
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 83162
Founded: Nov 13, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Dyakovo » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:04 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
I still think that - while it was bad politics - Alan Grayson had it right when he said that the Republican healthcare reform plan was 'don't get sick' and if you do get sick, 'die quickly'.

Bullshit and Alan Grayson is an ass. :p The Republicans preffered a less centralized style of reform- such as making the existing systems more accessible and putting more funds into those programs (at least that is what they asserted). To suggest that they wanted to do nothing (especially when they made suggestions that merely differed from the Democratic plan) is asinine.

It isn't at all asinine. When asked for their input they had nothing
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

User avatar
Dyakovo
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 83162
Founded: Nov 13, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Dyakovo » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:06 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
Really, is that why they basically sat in the back and bitched while suggesting almost nothing to the debate. Besides, of course suggesting lower taxes and less regulations as how that is the perfect idea to lower costs and give people better coverage.

Do you believe that the Republican Party sincerely supports the deathes of people unable to afford coverage?

Yes.
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

User avatar
Occupied Deutschland
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18796
Founded: Oct 01, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:08 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Luciratus wrote:Bullshit and Alan Grayson is an ass. :p The Republicans preffered a less centralized style of reform- such as making the existing systems more accessible and putting more funds into those programs (at least that is what they asserted). To suggest that they wanted to do nothing (especially when they made suggestions that merely differed from the Democratic plan) is asinine.

It isn't at all asinine. When asked for their input they had nothing

The had this
Repeal the Costly Health Care Takeover of 2010
Because the new health care law kills jobs, raises taxes, and increases the cost of health care, we will immediately take action to repeal this law.

Enact Medical Liability Reform
Skyrocketing medical liability insurance rates have distorted the practice of medicine, routinely forcing doctors to order costly and often unnecessary tests to protect themselves from lawsuits, often referred to as "defensive medicine." We will enact common-sense medical liability reforms to lower costs, rein in junk lawsuits and curb defensive medicine.

Purchase Health Insurance across State Lines
Americans residing in a state with expensive health insurance plans are locked into those plans and do not currently have an opportunity to choose a lower cost option that best meets their needs. We will allow individuals to buy health care coverage outside of the state in which they live.

Expand Health Savings Accounts
Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) are popular savings accounts that provide cost-effective health insurance to those who might otherwise go uninsured. We will improve HSAs by making it easier for patients with high-deductible health plans to use them to obtain access to quality care. We will repeal the new health care law, which prevents the use of these savings accounts to purchase over-the-counter medicine.

Strengthen the Doctor-Patient Relationship
We will repeal President Obama's government takeover of health care and replace it with common-sense reforms focused on strengthening the doctor-patient relationship.

Ensure Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions
Health care should be accessible for all, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses. We will expand state high-risk pools, reinsurance programs and reduce the cost of coverage. We will make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps, and prevent insurers from dropping your coverage just because you get sick. We will incentivize states to develop innovative programs that lower premiums and reduce the number of uninsured Americans.

Permanently Prohibit Taxpayer Funding of Abortion
We will establish a government-wide prohibition on taxpayer funding of abortion and subsidies for insurance coverage that includes abortion. This prohibition would go further and enact into law what is known as the Hyde Amendment as well as ban other instances of federal subsidies for abortion services. We will also enact into law conscience protections for health care providers, including doctors, nurses, and hospitals.

From their "Pledge to America" Spiel.
I'm General Patton.
Even those who are gone are with us as we go on.

Been busy lately--not around much.

User avatar
Farnhamia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 101176
Founded: Jun 20, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:10 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:
From what I can tell, there's been no substantiation of these threats since I called BS on them.

Take your BS and bathe in it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/3022/03/23/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed
Female Suspect in WI Death Threats Has Reportedly Confessed
The Wisconsin authorities actually located one of the loons who sent the Wisconsin GOP members death threats.
The Port Washington-Saukville Patch reported:
News that the state Justice Department has identified one suspect in connection with death threats sent to Republican state senators comes as at least a minor relief to Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend).
"They caught someone? Good," he said Friday night. "I am waiting to hear the background of the type of person who would do such a devious thing."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110313/us_ac/8054678_violent_threats_against_wisconsin_republicans_increase
Violent Threats Against Wisconsin Republicans Increase
COMMENTARY | Elected officials in Wisconsin need our prayers. With the Tucson tragedy still fresh in the minds of Americans, at least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
Several suspects have been identified, while obscene phone calls, threatening e-mails and other "thug-like" intimidation tactics continue to be used by union supporters to incite violence and anger toward Republican senators.
One particularly threatening e-mail warned Republican lawmakers to "put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks."
Why all the hate?
The heated battle started when Walker introduced his budget repair bill, which originally contained fiscal language designed to cover a $137 million budget deficit. Most importantly, the bill also placed limits on collective bargaining rights for state union workers, excluding police and firefighters.
Protests and death threats against Republican legislators intensified after a modified version of the bill passed the Senate and ultimately the Assembly. To make the vote possible in the absence of 14 Democratic colleagues, all fiscal language was stripped from the legislation leaving only collective bargaining restrictions.
Wisconsin protests turn ugly
Since Walker signed the anti-union bill into law, protests in Madison, Wis. have been anything but peaceful.
After causing an estimated $7.5 million in property damage to the State Capitol, Wisconsin protesters are now the stars of amateur videos springing up on social networks like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
Earlier in the Wisconsin budget battle timeline, Massachusetts Rep. Michael Capauno told a group of Boston union members that collective bargaining battles were so important "every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody."
On the other side of the fence, Sarah Palin told Fox News Wisconsin union bosses were "acting like thugs" and it's their responsibility to "turn down the rhetoric and start getting truth out there so that nobody gets hurt."
What happens now?
While recall efforts, lawsuits and political strategies are being discussed on both sides of the aisle, there's one thing Republican and Democratic lawmakers can agree on -- the battle over unions and collective bargaining has just begun.

You get in the bath first, You-Gi. Fox and a Yahoo blogger. Searched the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times ... nothing.
Freedom ... or cake. ~ Ashmoria (RIP)
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo

User avatar
Dyakovo
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 83162
Founded: Nov 13, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Dyakovo » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:11 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:^ This. :clap:


What exactly are you taking from his statement?

A persecution complex?
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

User avatar
Bottle
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14985
Founded: Dec 30, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Bottle » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:12 pm

Ryadn wrote:
Bottle wrote:[Bottle rants a bit]
Thanks, I didn't really mean to go off like that, but like, fucking, seriously? "Be civil" they say, as if there's a way to have a "civil" debate about whether female human beings should get basic human rights, or a "civil" way to debate whether my relationship with my girlfriend is destroying the fabric of society, or a "civil" way to debate whether the alliance between godless people and Satan is a literal one or only a figurative one, or a "civil" way to debate whether people who support universal health care are communist traitors who deserve to be shot. Civility can fuck right off, as far as I'm concerned, because I don't believe there's any polite way to tell somebody that you think they're intrinsically worth less than you are.

I'm sick to fucking death of everyone demanding that us non-straight-white-male-Christian-richass-motherfuckers take time out of our days to be NICER and EXPLAIN things, POLITELY please, because of fucking course none of us have anything better to do than hold the hands of the people who shit on us daily. If only we'd be NICER and watch our TONE please and thankyou, then they'd be willing to give us our basic rights and junk, it's just that we're so goshdarn MEAN and that, THAT my friends is why gay people can't get married and women can't get medical care and atheists can't get elected worth shit and liberals get called traitors for suggesting that maybe we shouldn't fucking bomb civilians in countries that never fucking attacked us. Because of TONE. Because we didn't ask NICELY enough for our rights, please sir, and can I have another? Because that's how it works, right? Marginalized people shut up and keep it down and don't make waves and are nice and sweet and helpful, and then the oppressive class just decides to be all friendly and hand out civil rights like party favors. Fuck off, man, we're marginalized but we're not fucking morons. We can read history too.


You write things like that, and I want to get 'civil' with you in ways that are still illegal in most of the country. :kiss:

I'm on a tear about Tone Trolls lately, so if this shit turns you on then be prepared for a lot more forum-boners. :P
"Until evolution happens like in pokemon I'll never accept your 'evidence'!" -Ifreann
"Well, excuuuuuuse me, feminist." -Ende

User avatar
Dyakovo
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 83162
Founded: Nov 13, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Dyakovo » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:16 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Are you accusing me of being a hypocrite?

Am I?
Did you think there was really a previous need for "calls of civility" with "targeted districts" and posters with "crosshairs" and do you now feel there's no need to quell the heated rhetoric?

Do you not see the difference between public figures implying that they advocate killing opponents and private citizens doing it?
For their to be any hypocracy you would have to show where prominent Democrats have called for Walker to be eliminated.
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

User avatar
Revolutopia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5741
Founded: May 25, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Revolutopia » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:17 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:
From what I can tell, there's been no substantiation of these threats since I called BS on them.

Take your BS and bathe in it.
http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/03/23/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed
Female Suspect in WI Death Threats Has Reportedly Confessed
The Wisconsin authorities actually located one of the loons who sent the Wisconsin GOP members death threats.
The Port Washington-Saukville Patch reported:
News that the state Justice Department has identified one suspect in connection with death threats sent to Republican state senators comes as at least a minor relief to Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend).
"They caught someone? Good," he said Friday night. "I am waiting to hear the background of the type of person who would do such a devious thing."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110313/us_ac/8054678_violent_threats_against_wisconsin_republicans_increase
Violent Threats Against Wisconsin Republicans Increase
COMMENTARY | Elected officials in Wisconsin need our prayers. With the Tucson tragedy still fresh in the minds of Americans, at least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
Several suspects have been identified, while obscene phone calls, threatening e-mails and other "thug-like" intimidation tactics continue to be used by union supporters to incite violence and anger toward Republican senators.
One particularly threatening e-mail warned Republican lawmakers to "put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks."
Why all the hate?
The heated battle started when Walker introduced his budget repair bill, which originally contained fiscal language designed to cover a $137 million budget deficit. Most importantly, the bill also placed limits on collective bargaining rights for state union workers, excluding police and firefighters.
Protests and death threats against Republican legislators intensified after a modified version of the bill passed the Senate and ultimately the Assembly. To make the vote possible in the absence of 14 Democratic colleagues, all fiscal language was stripped from the legislation leaving only collective bargaining restrictions.
Wisconsin protests turn ugly
Since Walker signed the anti-union bill into law, protests in Madison, Wis. have been anything but peaceful.
After causing an estimated $7.5 million in property damage to the State Capitol, Wisconsin protesters are now the stars of amateur videos springing up on social networks like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
Earlier in the Wisconsin budget battle timeline, Massachusetts Rep. Michael Capauno told a group of Boston union members that collective bargaining battles were so important "every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody."
On the other side of the fence, Sarah Palin told Fox News Wisconsin union bosses were "acting like thugs" and it's their responsibility to "turn down the rhetoric and start getting truth out there so that nobody gets hurt."
What happens now?
While recall efforts, lawsuits and political strategies are being discussed on both sides of the aisle, there's one thing Republican and Democratic lawmakers can agree on -- the battle over unions and collective bargaining has just begun.



Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.

edited for more infomation:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:The had this
Repeal the Costly Health Care Takeover of 2010
Because the new health care law kills jobs, raises taxes, and increases the cost of health care, we will immediately take action to repeal this law.

Enact Medical Liability Reform
Skyrocketing medical liability insurance rates have distorted the practice of medicine, routinely forcing doctors to order costly and often unnecessary tests to protect themselves from lawsuits, often referred to as "defensive medicine." We will enact common-sense medical liability reforms to lower costs, rein in junk lawsuits and curb defensive medicine.

Purchase Health Insurance across State Lines
Americans residing in a state with expensive health insurance plans are locked into those plans and do not currently have an opportunity to choose a lower cost option that best meets their needs. We will allow individuals to buy health care coverage outside of the state in which they live.

Expand Health Savings Accounts
Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) are popular savings accounts that provide cost-effective health insurance to those who might otherwise go uninsured. We will improve HSAs by making it easier for patients with high-deductible health plans to use them to obtain access to quality care. We will repeal the new health care law, which prevents the use of these savings accounts to purchase over-the-counter medicine.

Strengthen the Doctor-Patient Relationship
We will repeal President Obama's government takeover of health care and replace it with common-sense reforms focused on strengthening the doctor-patient relationship.

Ensure Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions
Health care should be accessible for all, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses. We will expand state high-risk pools, reinsurance programs and reduce the cost of coverage. We will make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps, and prevent insurers from dropping your coverage just because you get sick. We will incentivize states to develop innovative programs that lower premiums and reduce the number of uninsured Americans.

Permanently Prohibit Taxpayer Funding of Abortion
We will establish a government-wide prohibition on taxpayer funding of abortion and subsidies for insurance coverage that includes abortion. This prohibition would go further and enact into law what is known as the Hyde Amendment as well as ban other instances of federal subsidies for abortion services. We will also enact into law conscience protections for health care providers, including doctors, nurses, and hospitals.

From their "Pledge to America" Spiel.


Do they have anything written about these proposals about how these would work as they are seem vague or in the case of the last having nothing to do with lowering health care costs. Additionally, seeing how one of their major attacks on health care reform is that it disrespects state's rights how does taking away a state's right to control and regulate insurance plans respect the state's rights. That only makes is more succeptable to fall under federal control as then their is no doubt that it is interstate commerce.
Last edited by Revolutopia on Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.-FDR

Economic Left/Right: -3.12|Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49

Who is Tom Joad?

User avatar
Drachmar
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1126
Founded: Sep 10, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Drachmar » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:21 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:[spoiler]
Daistallia 2104 wrote:
From what I can tell, there's been no substantiation of these threats since I called BS on them.

Take your BS and bathe in it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/3022/03/23/female-suspect-wi-death-threats-has-reportedly-confessed
Female Suspect in WI Death Threats Has Reportedly Confessed
The Wisconsin authorities actually located one of the loons who sent the Wisconsin GOP members death threats.
The Port Washington-Saukville Patch reported:
News that the state Justice Department has identified one suspect in connection with death threats sent to Republican state senators comes as at least a minor relief to Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend).
"They caught someone? Good," he said Friday night. "I am waiting to hear the background of the type of person who would do such a devious thing."
[spoiler]


I'll give you that YGO. I just read that about an hour ago. Glad they found the person.

Now...

Violent Threats Against Wisconsin Republicans Increase
COMMENTARY | Elected officials in Wisconsin need our prayers. With the Tucson tragedy still fresh in the minds of Americans, at least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
Several suspects have been identified, while obscene phone calls, threatening e-mails and other "thug-like" intimidation tactics continue to be used by union supporters to incite violence and anger toward Republican senators.
One particularly threatening e-mail warned Republican lawmakers to "put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks."
Why all the hate?


This was mentioned above...

The heated battle started when Walker introduced his budget repair bill, which originally contained fiscal language designed to cover a $137 million budget deficit. Most importantly, the bill also placed limits on collective bargaining rights for state union workers, excluding police and firefighters.
Protests and death threats against Republican legislators intensified after a modified version of the bill passed the Senate and ultimately the Assembly. To make the vote possible in the absence of 14 Democratic colleagues, all fiscal language was stripped from the legislation leaving only collective bargaining restrictions.


Protests have, and still are...peaceful. The death threats did not intensify. The first death threats happened after the non-fiscal items from the budget repair bill were voted on separately Wednesday & Thursday.

Wisconsin protests turn ugly
Since Walker signed the anti-union bill into law, protests in Madison, Wis. have been anything but peaceful.
After causing an estimated $7.5 million in property damage to the State Capitol, Wisconsin protesters are now the stars of amateur videos springing up on social networks like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.


Pants on fucking fire lying.

http://politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/08/mike-huebsch/wisconsin-officials-claim-cleaning-state-capitol-w/
Earlier in the Wisconsin budget battle timeline, Massachusetts Rep. Michael Capauno told a group of Boston union members that collective bargaining battles were so important "every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody."


The apology...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/02/rep-michael-capuano-union-rally-apology-/1


On the other side of the fence, Sarah Palin told Fox News Wisconsin union bosses were "acting like thugs" and it's their responsibility to "turn down the rhetoric and start getting truth out there so that nobody gets hurt."
What happens now?
While recall efforts, lawsuits and political strategies are being discussed on both sides of the aisle, there's one thing Republican and Democratic lawmakers can agree on -- the battle over unions and collective bargaining has just begun.


You have the nerve to add something from Sarah Palin?

You know...those people who sent those death threats are a bunch of loose cannons. We didn't have anything to do with them, and haven't provoked them to act in this manner...

Image
Favorite quotes:

Grave_n_idle wrote:
United Marktoria wrote:Your unconscious mind is gold. my friend.

...which explains why people keep sticking shovels in your head.


Katganistan wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:I'm a monster in bed.

Women run screaming from you? ;)

User avatar
You-Gi-Owe
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6230
Founded: Jul 26, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby You-Gi-Owe » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:22 pm

Revolutopia wrote:


Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.


There was no proof that the "heated rhetoric" that was going on at the time of the AZ madman shooting was what casused that shooting. I'm just waiting for a call of civility during this time that Republicans are receiving death threats.
“Man, I'm so hip I won't even eat a square meal!”
"We've always been at war with Eastasia." 1984, George Orwell
Tyrion: "Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them!"
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” ~ James Madison quotes

User avatar
Daistallia 2104
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7848
Founded: Jan 14, 2004
Ex-Nation

Postby Daistallia 2104 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:24 pm

Revolutopia wrote:


Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.



Not only that, one is from Fox news, an organization that has already been shown to be lying in it's coverage of the events in Wisconsin. If Fox is your source YGO, I call double BS.
NSWiki|HP
Stupidity is like nuclear power; it can be used for good or evil, and you don't want to get any on you. - Scott Adams
Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness. - Terry Pratchett
Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions
How our economy really works.
Obama is a conservative, not a liberal, and certainly not a socialist.

User avatar
Farnhamia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 101176
Founded: Jun 20, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:25 pm

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.



Not only that, one is from Fox news, an organization that has already been shown to be lying in it's coverage of the events in Wisconsin. If Fox is your source YGO, I call double BS.

Maybe the person they arrested thought she was writing to a surveyor's organization, you know.
Freedom ... or cake. ~ Ashmoria (RIP)
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo

User avatar
Drachmar
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1126
Founded: Sep 10, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Drachmar » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:26 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
Neither one of those links presents any substantial proof that the threats have came from union supporters, thus for all we know the woman could have been a Walker supporter trying to discredit the unions. You know in the same way Walker and other Tea Party activists have suggested or thought about doing as substantiated by recorded confessions from the horse's mouth.


There was no proof that the "heated rhetoric" that was going on at the time of the AZ madman shooting was what casused that shooting. I'm just waiting for a call of civility during this time that Republicans are receiving death threats.


The Wisconsin Dems have been calling for civility from day one YGO.
Favorite quotes:

Grave_n_idle wrote:
United Marktoria wrote:Your unconscious mind is gold. my friend.

...which explains why people keep sticking shovels in your head.


Katganistan wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:I'm a monster in bed.

Women run screaming from you? ;)

User avatar
Dyakovo
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 83162
Founded: Nov 13, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Dyakovo » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:27 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:It isn't at all asinine. When asked for their input they had nothing

The had this
Repeal the Costly Health Care Takeover of 2010
Because the new health care law kills jobs, raises taxes, and increases the cost of health care, we will immediately take action to repeal this law.

Enact Medical Liability Reform
Skyrocketing medical liability insurance rates have distorted the practice of medicine, routinely forcing doctors to order costly and often unnecessary tests to protect themselves from lawsuits, often referred to as "defensive medicine." We will enact common-sense medical liability reforms to lower costs, rein in junk lawsuits and curb defensive medicine.

Purchase Health Insurance across State Lines
Americans residing in a state with expensive health insurance plans are locked into those plans and do not currently have an opportunity to choose a lower cost option that best meets their needs. We will allow individuals to buy health care coverage outside of the state in which they live.

Expand Health Savings Accounts
Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) are popular savings accounts that provide cost-effective health insurance to those who might otherwise go uninsured. We will improve HSAs by making it easier for patients with high-deductible health plans to use them to obtain access to quality care. We will repeal the new health care law, which prevents the use of these savings accounts to purchase over-the-counter medicine.

Strengthen the Doctor-Patient Relationship
We will repeal President Obama's government takeover of health care and replace it with common-sense reforms focused on strengthening the doctor-patient relationship.

Ensure Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions
Health care should be accessible for all, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses. We will expand state high-risk pools, reinsurance programs and reduce the cost of coverage. We will make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps, and prevent insurers from dropping your coverage just because you get sick. We will incentivize states to develop innovative programs that lower premiums and reduce the number of uninsured Americans.

Permanently Prohibit Taxpayer Funding of Abortion
We will establish a government-wide prohibition on taxpayer funding of abortion and subsidies for insurance coverage that includes abortion. This prohibition would go further and enact into law what is known as the Hyde Amendment as well as ban other instances of federal subsidies for abortion services. We will also enact into law conscience protections for health care providers, including doctors, nurses, and hospitals.

From their "Pledge to America" Spiel.

Right. As I said. They had nothing.
"Obamacare" passed 03/21/2010.
"Pledge to America" dates back to Nov 2010...
So 8 months after it was toate to discuss what should be in the bill they come up with their version.
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Blueflarst, Cannot think of a name, Dazchan, Forumland, Idzequitch, MSN [Bot], Ryanasic, Samadhi, Saturna1ia, Serconas, Vivolkha

Advertisement

Remove ads