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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:20 am
by Rolamec
Of course not, because it's a Republican! :roll: I mean c'mon, You-Gi-Owe, this is NSG: A liberal bastion of self-righteous hypocrites, who are largely out touch with reality, and when a consensus is provided, a circle jerk will surely follow, and all those who disagree are obviously retards who should be put down.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:24 am
by The Parkus Empire
Rolamec wrote:Of course not, because it's a Republican! :roll: I mean c'mon, You-Gi-Owe, this is NSG: A liberal bastion of self-righteous hypocrites, who are largely out touch with reality, and when a consensus is provided, a circle jerk will surely follow, and all those who disagree are obviously retards who should be put down.

>implying there aren't plenty of conservatives here who are out of touch with reality

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:26 am
by Grave_n_idle
Rolamec wrote:Of course not, because it's a Republican! :roll: I mean c'mon, You-Gi-Owe, this is NSG: A liberal bastion of self-righteous hypocrites, who are largely out touch with reality, and when a consensus is provided, a circle jerk will surely follow, and all those who disagree are obviously retards who should be put down.


Or, you know, something to do with the actual responses of the actual people you're criticising.

Ugh. The fake victim shtick gets old, no matter who does it.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:28 am
by The Parkus Empire
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Rolamec wrote:Of course not, because it's a Republican! :roll: I mean c'mon, You-Gi-Owe, this is NSG: A liberal bastion of self-righteous hypocrites, who are largely out touch with reality, and when a consensus is provided, a circle jerk will surely follow, and all those who disagree are obviously retards who should be put down.


Or, you know, something to do with the actual responses of the actual people you're criticising.

Ugh. The fake victim shtick gets old, no matter who does it.

Conservatives run the country, but at least they can still feel oppressed for coming to an online forum where they aren't the majority.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:33 am
by Tergnitz

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:21 am
by Bottle
Luciratus wrote:
Bottle wrote:Eh. I'm sick of all the coded language, the false courtesy, and the back-room dealing. Shit is coming to a boil anyhow, and I'd rather have it out, in the open, under the open sky for all to see.

If we were all sincerely civil and respectfully disagreed with the ideas of the opposition- and I emphasize respectfully- we wouldn't be in this predicament every time a heated issue comes up. You are not Satan, nor am I. There is no need for a violent revolution if we can talk rationally and politely about our opinions on how to improve our beautiful-horrible world. Furthermore, I will make the same comment that I did when Sarah Palin was decried for causing the Tuscon Incident- the majority of the individuals involved in these organizations are not crazy nor do the main-stream organizers want to systematically murder the opposition. If you assert anything else, it is highly partisan and nearly tantamount to conspiracy bullshit.

Yeah, and if wishes were horses then beggers would ride.

The "opposition" to me argues openly that my human rights should be violated if I dare to choose to have consensual sex. They argue that I am not a real citizen because I do not share their god-belief. They argue that I am somehow inauthentic because I am educated and intellectual. They smear my values as worthless. My entire life, I have listened to them rant about how it is exactly people like me who are "destroying the country" and are "traitors" and are filth and vermin and whatever other eliminationist language strikes their fancy.

You want to tell them to shut up? Go for it. I've been politely asking them to stop treating me like a subhuman for as long as I can remember. I'm tired of it. I'm not going to do unto them as they have done unto me, I'm just going to stop wasting my time telling people on "my" side to be polite...because I simply don't believe in it any more. Call me a quitter (cause I am), but I just don't buy the lie any more. Being nice has gotten me precisely dick, politically speaking, so why waste the time and energy? I can't tell other people that behaving in a civil manner is best right now, because IT DOESN'T WORK. I've watched it not work for over a decade. I don't believe in it.

Now, if you want to do something to make me believe in it again, then please do. I agree that your happy funtime rainbow joyland vision of civil politics would be super. So stop expecting people like me, the people whose rights are always the first to be thrown under the bus, to be the ones who do all the thankless work of trying to bring your vision into reality. Talk to the people who abuse and marginalize us while we're just trying to live our fucking lives and be left alone for pity's sake.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:13 am
by Gauthier
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Or, you know, something to do with the actual responses of the actual people you're criticising.

Ugh. The fake victim shtick gets old, no matter who does it.

Conservatives run the country, but at least they can still feel oppressed for coming to an online forum where they aren't the majority.


It's an all or nothing mentality. Either they control everything or they're being oppressed. Just like "The Liberal Media".

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:47 am
by Wamitoria
Tokyoni wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Absolutely. Anyone who tries to carry it out should also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We don't need any more assassination attempts against politicians -- just vote their asses out of office.


Now now, what sort of American are ya?

What about all that about a little revolution being good now and again and needing to water that tree with the blood of tyrants and all?

Some of the founding fathers stuff was rubbish, but that stuff sounds good to me. xP

The problem is, Tokyoni, that these revolutions would lead to possibly the greatest "Psycho-USA" moments that have ever existed.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:53 pm
by Drachmar
Delator wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:Frankly, after all the lies and dirty tricks the WI GOP has pulled, I'm calling complete bullshit on this.


As am I.

They haven't yet acted in good faith since the election, so why should I now assume that they are on the level when they themselves have the most to gain from this supposed threat?


Yes, this thought has crossed my mind as well.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:33 pm
by Delator
Bottle wrote:
Luciratus wrote:If we were all sincerely civil and respectfully disagreed with the ideas of the opposition- and I emphasize respectfully- we wouldn't be in this predicament every time a heated issue comes up. You are not Satan, nor am I. There is no need for a violent revolution if we can talk rationally and politely about our opinions on how to improve our beautiful-horrible world. Furthermore, I will make the same comment that I did when Sarah Palin was decried for causing the Tuscon Incident- the majority of the individuals involved in these organizations are not crazy nor do the main-stream organizers want to systematically murder the opposition. If you assert anything else, it is highly partisan and nearly tantamount to conspiracy bullshit.

Yeah, and if wishes were horses then beggers would ride.

The "opposition" to me argues openly that my human rights should be violated if I dare to choose to have consensual sex. They argue that I am not a real citizen because I do not share their god-belief. They argue that I am somehow inauthentic because I am educated and intellectual. They smear my values as worthless. My entire life, I have listened to them rant about how it is exactly people like me who are "destroying the country" and are "traitors" and are filth and vermin and whatever other eliminationist language strikes their fancy.

You want to tell them to shut up? Go for it. I've been politely asking them to stop treating me like a subhuman for as long as I can remember. I'm tired of it. I'm not going to do unto them as they have done unto me, I'm just going to stop wasting my time telling people on "my" side to be polite...because I simply don't believe in it any more. Call me a quitter (cause I am), but I just don't buy the lie any more. Being nice has gotten me precisely dick, politically speaking, so why waste the time and energy? I can't tell other people that behaving in a civil manner is best right now, because IT DOESN'T WORK. I've watched it not work for over a decade. I don't believe in it.

Now, if you want to do something to make me believe in it again, then please do. I agree that your happy funtime rainbow joyland vision of civil politics would be super. So stop expecting people like me, the people whose rights are always the first to be thrown under the bus, to be the ones who do all the thankless work of trying to bring your vision into reality. Talk to the people who abuse and marginalize us while we're just trying to live our fucking lives and be left alone for pity's sake.


Sigged.

There's gotta be some better way of linking that, but I'm an idiot. : P

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:38 pm
by Los Cabreddes
Well as a Republican I can't help but think that this is the best gift we could've gotten from you guys. I mean, way to "show" that you really have nothing to say.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:18 pm
by The Black Forrest
Los Cabreddes wrote:Well as a Republican I can't help but think that this is the best gift we could've gotten from you guys. I mean, way to "show" that you really have nothing to say.


:roll:

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:40 pm
by You-Gi-Owe
Los Cabreddes wrote:Well as a Republican I can't help but think that this is the best gift we could've gotten from you guys. I mean, way to "show" that you really have nothing to say.

^ This. :clap:

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:40 pm
by Fartsniffage
You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Los Cabreddes wrote:Well as a Republican I can't help but think that this is the best gift we could've gotten from you guys. I mean, way to "show" that you really have nothing to say.

^ This. :clap:


What exactly are you taking from his statement?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:46 pm
by Timurid Empire
Sometimes violence is the only answer. Revolution!

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:49 pm
by Fartsniffage
Timurid Empire wrote:Sometimes violence is the only answer. Revolution!


For every problem, there is one solution which is simple, neat and wrong. - H. L. Mencke

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:54 pm
by Gauthier
Fartsniffage wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:^ This. :clap:


What exactly are you taking from his statement?


That the death threats (which could well be fabricated by the Republicans, not too different from Walker thinking about Mubaraking the protestors) are a sign that the Democrats, liberals and union workers have conceded.

In other words, more partisan gloating and sneering from Yu-Gi-Owe.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:14 pm
by You-Gi-Owe
Fartsniffage wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:^ This. :clap:


What exactly are you taking from his statement?

That it's quite illustrative about the typical two-faced democrat/liberal attitude regarding, "heated rhetoic". If they're feel like they're in the "crosshairs", it's a terrible thing.
If their opponents are in the crosshairs, they think it's only natural.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:36 pm
by Saint Helier
You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What exactly are you taking from his statement?

That it's quite illustrative about the typical two-faced democrat/liberal attitude regarding, "heated rhetoic". If they're feel like they're in the "crosshairs", it's a terrible thing.
If their opponents are in the crosshairs, they think it's only natural.



So you only care when its your side that are the victims? I bet you cheered when Giffords was shot you amoral cunt.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:40 pm
by Fartsniffage
You-Gi-Owe wrote:That it's quite illustrative about the typical two-faced democrat/liberal attitude regarding, "heated rhetoic". If they're feel like they're in the "crosshairs", it's a terrible thing.
If their opponents are in the crosshairs, they think it's only natural.


Are you accusing me of being a hypocrite?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:01 pm
by Kazomal
Bottle wrote:
Luciratus wrote:If we were all sincerely civil and respectfully disagreed with the ideas of the opposition- and I emphasize respectfully- we wouldn't be in this predicament every time a heated issue comes up. You are not Satan, nor am I. There is no need for a violent revolution if we can talk rationally and politely about our opinions on how to improve our beautiful-horrible world. Furthermore, I will make the same comment that I did when Sarah Palin was decried for causing the Tuscon Incident- the majority of the individuals involved in these organizations are not crazy nor do the main-stream organizers want to systematically murder the opposition. If you assert anything else, it is highly partisan and nearly tantamount to conspiracy bullshit.

Yeah, and if wishes were horses then beggers would ride.

The "opposition" to me argues openly that my human rights should be violated if I dare to choose to have consensual sex. They argue that I am not a real citizen because I do not share their god-belief. They argue that I am somehow inauthentic because I am educated and intellectual. They smear my values as worthless. My entire life, I have listened to them rant about how it is exactly people like me who are "destroying the country" and are "traitors" and are filth and vermin and whatever other eliminationist language strikes their fancy.

You want to tell them to shut up? Go for it. I've been politely asking them to stop treating me like a subhuman for as long as I can remember. I'm tired of it. I'm not going to do unto them as they have done unto me, I'm just going to stop wasting my time telling people on "my" side to be polite...because I simply don't believe in it any more. Call me a quitter (cause I am), but I just don't buy the lie any more. Being nice has gotten me precisely dick, politically speaking, so why waste the time and energy? I can't tell other people that behaving in a civil manner is best right now, because IT DOESN'T WORK. I've watched it not work for over a decade. I don't believe in it.

Now, if you want to do something to make me believe in it again, then please do. I agree that your happy funtime rainbow joyland vision of civil politics would be super. So stop expecting people like me, the people whose rights are always the first to be thrown under the bus, to be the ones who do all the thankless work of trying to bring your vision into reality. Talk to the people who abuse and marginalize us while we're just trying to live our fucking lives and be left alone for pity's sake.


Exactly.

The Republicans are winning because they know how politics is played: dirty and against the rules.

We need to do what the Koch brothers did, except for the good guys. We need to get organized and look to the long game.

Of course, it's difficult when the bad guys control most of the money and the media and can spew racist lies to indoctrinate people. But we need to stop pretending that if we play by the rules and are right, right will win, or that truth will prevail just because it will. We have to make it happen.






As for the OP, this is just bullshit. There were no 'calls for civility' when Congressional Democrats were getting death threats. Come off your high horse, there is no double standard. Climb down off that cross, use the wood to build a bridge and get the fuck over it. We can all see through your fake outrage. Are you being paid by the Koch brothers to post this shit?







As for the event in question, I think a bigger problem is that the media rarely if ever mentioned that the unions had already agreed to make concessions to close the budget shortfall, or that Walker was only attacking the unions that vote democratic, while rewarding the ones that vote republican, and admitted that this was just an ploy to de-fund unions, or that Wisconsin had a surplus 1 year ago, which Walker gave away to his top 4 campaign contributors in a sneaky last-minute session, but instead parroted Walker's insane lie that this was necessary to close the shortfall.



I understand that some people are ruthless assholes who will fuck over billions of people for their own gains, but what I don't get is all the half-brights out there who somehow believe the obvious bullshit! And somehow, this is the majority of Americans!

Boggles the mind. The vicious fucking curs.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:06 pm
by Kazomal
You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What exactly are you taking from his statement?

That it's quite illustrative about the typical two-faced democrat/liberal attitude regarding, "heated rhetoic". If they're feel like they're in the "crosshairs", it's a terrible thing.
If their opponents are in the crosshairs, they think it's only natural.


Here's the difference

No democrat has publicly used violent or inflammatory language against Walker. For the Repubs, such attacks are par for the course.

The 'call for civility' was about the rhetoric coming from PUBLIC FIGURES. You are complaining about the actions of PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS. People are always sending Democratic and Republican politicians death threats. It's a different matter entirely.


Obvious troll is obvious.

(and it's funny you said "crosshairs" since, preceeding Giffords' shooting, Palin's website had various Congressional Democrats in crosshairs, including Giffords'. Giffords' was uncomfortible with this, and asked Palin to take it down. Palin refused.

When a prominent Democrat puts out a picture of Walker in crosshairs, you let me know)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:09 pm
by Occupied Deutschland
Kazomal wrote:Exactly.

The Republicans are winning because they know how politics is played: dirty and against the rules.

We need to do what the Koch brothers did, except for the good guys. We need to get organized and look to the long game.

Of course, it's difficult when the bad guys control most of the money and the media and can spew racist lies to indoctrinate people. But we need to stop pretending that if we play by the rules and are right, right will win, or that truth will prevail just because it will. We have to make it happen.

As for the OP, this is just bullshit. There were no 'calls for civility' when Congressional Democrats were getting death threats. Come off your high horse, there is no double standard. Climb down off that cross, use the wood to build a bridge and get the fuck over it. We can all see through your fake outrage. Are you being paid by the Koch brothers to post this shit?

As for the event in question, I think a bigger problem is that the media rarely if ever mentioned that the unions had already agreed to make concessions to close the budget shortfall, or that Walker was only attacking the unions that vote democratic, while rewarding the ones that vote republican, and admitted that this was just an ploy to de-fund unions, or that Wisconsin had a surplus 1 year ago, which Walker gave away to his top 4 campaign contributors in a sneaky last-minute session, but instead parroted Walker's insane lie that this was necessary to close the shortfall.

I understand that some people are ruthless assholes who will fuck over billions of people for their own gains, but what I don't get is all the half-brights out there who somehow believe the obvious bullshit! And somehow, this is the majority of Americans!

Boggles the mind. The vicious fucking curs.

Calm down there turbo. Examine the underlined bits, you have made a grievous error that people have made for the last century.
The error that YOU are necessarily right. You consider the fact that...You could be wrong? Fostering some notion that the "bad-guys are out to get us" isn't what you should be doing, because it is THAT exact attitude that has led to problems.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:11 pm
by Kazomal
And beyond all that, the whole "call for civility" was about the wild, alarmist, and violence-inspiring lies of the GOP and Fox "News," but we can't say that because the media is controlled by the right-wing, so instead we get a "call for civility," which was just a pr stunt for all politicians who get to come together ans say they are against things that everyone hates like murder and are for things that everyone like, like civility.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:14 pm
by Maineiacs
Delator wrote:
Bottle wrote:Yeah, and if wishes were horses then beggers would ride.

The "opposition" to me argues openly that my human rights should be violated if I dare to choose to have consensual sex. They argue that I am not a real citizen because I do not share their god-belief. They argue that I am somehow inauthentic because I am educated and intellectual. They smear my values as worthless. My entire life, I have listened to them rant about how it is exactly people like me who are "destroying the country" and are "traitors" and are filth and vermin and whatever other eliminationist language strikes their fancy.

You want to tell them to shut up? Go for it. I've been politely asking them to stop treating me like a subhuman for as long as I can remember. I'm tired of it. I'm not going to do unto them as they have done unto me, I'm just going to stop wasting my time telling people on "my" side to be polite...because I simply don't believe in it any more. Call me a quitter (cause I am), but I just don't buy the lie any more. Being nice has gotten me precisely dick, politically speaking, so why waste the time and energy? I can't tell other people that behaving in a civil manner is best right now, because IT DOESN'T WORK. I've watched it not work for over a decade. I don't believe in it.

Now, if you want to do something to make me believe in it again, then please do. I agree that your happy funtime rainbow joyland vision of civil politics would be super. So stop expecting people like me, the people whose rights are always the first to be thrown under the bus, to be the ones who do all the thankless work of trying to bring your vision into reality. Talk to the people who abuse and marginalize us while we're just trying to live our fucking lives and be left alone for pity's sake.


Sigged.

There's gotta be some better way of linking that, but I'm an idiot. : P



Seconded. That was epic, and oh so true.