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Should Democratic Party Leaders call for civility in wake of Wis. death threats?

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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:25 pm

Wilgrove wrote:I don't see anyone actually supporting the death threats or any Democrat or Union leadership supporting it.

Shouldn't matter, should it? After the shooting by the madman in AZ, they called for civility.
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Postby Wilgrove » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:27 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:I don't see anyone actually supporting the death threats or any Democrat or Union leadership supporting it.

Shouldn't matter, should it? After the shooting by the madman in AZ, they called for civility.


Yes, but that was in response to the violent rethorics that was in politics at the time (and in some part, is still in politics).

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Postby Bottle » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:27 pm

Personally, I'm sick to death of "civility," and I wish both sides would abandon it.
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Postby Drachmar » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:28 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.

Link? I really doubt this^.


http://host.madison.com/wsj/article_531276b6-3f6a-11e0-b288-001cc4c002e0.html

I think he's referring to this phone conversation between a prank caller pretending to be David Kock, and Gov. Scott Walker.

Murphy: Right, right. Well, we’ll back you any way we can. But, uh, what we were thinking about the crowds was, uh, was planting some troublemakers.

Walker: You know, the, well, the only problem with that — because we thought about that. The problem — the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this. The teachers union did some polling of focus groups, I think, and found out that the public turned on ’em the minute they closed school down for a couple days. The guys we’ve got left are largely from out of state, and I keep dismissing it in all my press conferences saying, ‘Eh, they’re mostly from out of state.’ My only fear would be is if there was a ruckus caused is that that would scare the public into thinking maybe the governor has gotta settle to avoid all these problems. You know, whereas, I’ve said, ‘Hey, you know, we can handle this, people can protest. This is Madison, you know, full of the ’60s liberals. Let ’em protest.’ It’s not gonna affect us. And as long as we go back to our homes and the majority of the people are telling us we’re doing the right thing, let ’em protest all they want. Um, so that’s my gut reaction, is that I think it’s actually good if they’re constant, they’re noisy, but they’re quiet, nothing happens, ’cause sooner or later the media stops finding ’em interesting.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:29 pm

Wilgrove wrote:I don't see anyone actually supporting the death threats or any Democrat or Union leadership supporting it.

Of course nobody supports it. The problem is, they're not opposing it loudly enough, which is just as bad.
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Postby Wilgrove » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:30 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:I don't see anyone actually supporting the death threats or any Democrat or Union leadership supporting it.

Of course nobody supports it. The problem is, they're not opposing it loudly enough, which is just as bad.


So what, we're suppose to hold a news conference every time some whack job threatens a public official?

"Ummm this is bad m'kay? This is bad....ummm death threats are bad m'kay?"

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:31 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Of course nobody supports it. The problem is, they're not opposing it loudly enough, which is just as bad.


So what, we're suppose to hold a news conference every time some whack job threatens a public official?

"Ummm this is bad m'kay? This is bad....ummm death threats are bad m'kay?"


Hey, if Muslims have to do it why not us?
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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:31 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.

Link? I really doubt this^.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/wisconsin_police_chief_trouble.html
Link reporting on Walker's talk with Fake Koch about fake protesters.

http://www.truth-out.org/disgraced-former-tea-party-leader-calls-on-rightwing-activists-to-pose-as-seiu-organizers67970
Link detailing Former Tea Party leader's call for rightwing activists to pose as Union members to discredit Union protesters. Yes, I know that link has its bias but saying the story came out two weeks ago its the best I can find on the spot.
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Postby Wilgrove » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:32 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
So what, we're suppose to hold a news conference every time some whack job threatens a public official?

"Ummm this is bad m'kay? This is bad....ummm death threats are bad m'kay?"


Hey, if Muslims have to do it why not us?


Because it would get tedious after awhile, and it would give these whack jobs more attention than they really deserve.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:32 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.

Link? I really doubt this^.


You need a link to the Prank Call? Really? Are you that partisan and dense?

http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=5045
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Postby Xomic » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:33 pm

"Civility" is lost on idiots like republicans.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:33 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Of course nobody supports it. The problem is, they're not opposing it loudly enough, which is just as bad.


So what, we're suppose to hold a news conference every time some whack job threatens a public official?

"Ummm this is bad m'kay? This is bad....ummm death threats are bad m'kay?"

We should have an International Anti-Death Threat Day, where we can all come together and state our opposition to all politically motivated death threats of the preceding year.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:34 pm

Xomic wrote:"Civility" is lost on idiots like republicans.


They were willing to waffle on their own arguments to get the Union Buster passed. Why bother being civil to them?
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Postby Tokyoni » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:34 pm

Feh. To hell with civility.

Those Republican leeches have sucked enough of the blood of the workers; if someone did act, it would just be karma paying its toll.

Whoever wrote that is a heroic freedom fighter; much like John Brown or Che Guevara. Long live the Revolution! Death to the oppressors!
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:36 pm

Tokyoni wrote:Feh. To hell with civility.

Those Republican leeches have sucked enough of the blood of the workers; if someone did act, it would just be karma paying its toll.

Whoever wrote that is a heroic freedom fighter; much like John Brown or Che Guevara. Long live the Revolution! Death to the oppressors!

Advocating murder is naughty.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:36 pm

Bottle wrote:Personally, I'm sick to death of "civility," and I wish both sides would abandon it.


Not cool.

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Postby Bottle » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:39 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Bottle wrote:Personally, I'm sick to death of "civility," and I wish both sides would abandon it.


Not cool.

Eh. I'm sick of all the coded language, the false courtesy, and the back-room dealing. Shit is coming to a boil anyhow, and I'd rather have it out, in the open, under the open sky for all to see.
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Postby Tokyoni » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:41 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Tokyoni wrote:Feh. To hell with civility.

Those Republican leeches have sucked enough of the blood of the workers; if someone did act, it would just be karma paying its toll.

Whoever wrote that is a heroic freedom fighter; much like John Brown or Che Guevara. Long live the Revolution! Death to the oppressors!

Advocating murder is naughty.


Then support of the US government and its purposeful torture of prisoners, bombing of civilian settlements, slaughter of civilians abroad, etc. ought to be considered all the worse.

I wish death only upon those whose actions merit such. They cause it upon those who pose them the slightest inconvenience.

Who's the real monster?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:46 pm

So are there actual facts or is this news via a press release?
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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:49 pm

Tokyoni wrote:Then support of the US government and its purposeful torture of prisoners, bombing of civilian settlements, slaughter of civilians abroad, etc. ought to be considered all the worse.

I wish death only upon those whose actions merit such. They cause it upon those who pose them the slightest inconvenience.

Who's the real monster?


Just a quick look over your page I can tell that you are a supporter of North Korea, so how can you really condem the U.S for civil rights violations when the the DPRK is a thousand times worse. But, I digress on topic calling for death on anyone is stupid.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:50 pm

Bottle wrote:Eh. I'm sick of all the coded language, the false courtesy, and the back-room dealing. Shit is coming to a boil anyhow, and I'd rather have it out, in the open, under the open sky for all to see.


I'd rather avoid the guns coming out.

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Postby Drachmar » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:52 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:So are there actual facts or is this news via a press release?


The email was provided to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel by Fitzgerald's spokesperson, Andrew Wellhouse.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117738098.html

The email is under investigation by the state's Division of Criminal Investigation. Right now it looks as if it's Fitzgerald's word as only a email and text were provided without actual phone numbers or email addresses.

Welhouse on Thursday provided to the Journal Sentinel a copy of the text of one e-mail he said was sent on Wednesday night but would not provide the e-mail address or name of the sender. He said the e-mail was turned over to Capitol Police, who are investigating it.
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Postby Tokyoni » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:55 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
Tokyoni wrote:Then support of the US government and its purposeful torture of prisoners, bombing of civilian settlements, slaughter of civilians abroad, etc. ought to be considered all the worse.

I wish death only upon those whose actions merit such. They cause it upon those who pose them the slightest inconvenience.

Who's the real monster?


Just a quick look over your page I can tell that you are a supporter of North Korea, so how can you really condem the U.S for civil rights violations when the the DPRK is a thousand times worse. But, I digress on topic calling for death on anyone is stupid.


No, I'd argue the US is far worse. Undeniably, objectively so.

It has the largest prison industry both in total numbers and per capita of any nation on the planet, disproportionately targeting racial minorities therein.

How many wars has the United States started in the past 60 years? How many has the DPRK?

How many CIA actions abroad has the US undertaken to undercut a democratic regime or support a dictator?

How many civilians has the US slaughtered and tortured in its imperialist ambitions?

Any rational, thinking person who supports the policy of such a nation against one struggling for liberation against imperialism is, in a word, evil.

But, returning to topic, I'd state simply that I believe in reciprocal ethics. If one's actions lead to the death or equivalent state of an innocent party, they deserve death. Thus, while I personally don't find it in the greater good of the Revolution to act personally in this case, and thus personally do not plan to make any attempt on the lives of these GOP tyrants, if someone did, I'd say they were doing karma a favor, and they'd have my respect much like John Brown, Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Che Guevara who acted similarly in the past,
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Postby Genivar » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:51 pm

Ashmoria wrote:if someone is issuing death threats do you call for civility or call the cops?

Both in my opinion.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:55 pm

To the people who voted no: why do you apparently believe the Left should be no better than the Right?
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