Wis. GOP strips public workers' bargaining rights

[Buurdland]

I don't see how this possibly violates open meeting laws. The Democrats that fled have missed how many days of work now? If you skipped that many days of work would you still have a job? Should politicians be any different?

Er... open meeting laws do not work that way.

True, but the average voter would not know this. The Republicans could easily argue that since the Democrats went MIA for about a month they had no other choice and try to say the Democrats were trying to slow down the already crawling bureaucracy and thus cost the taxpayers more money then necessary. Most voters do not like their money being wasted.

[Maurepas]

The penalty will not be the voiding of laws, but the fact that it makes a nice sign to hang around your opponet's neck.

After all, noting that "Not only did Sen Whoever voted to strip rights away from (Insert group here), he did so while violating state law. Do you really want to return a lawbreaker to the state senate?" makes a good argument that is hard to squirm around.

Possibly, though given its a misdemeanor the GOP will likely equate it to a traffic ticket they got while taking care doing what is right. That's of course provided the Dems even remember where their balls are come election time.

The Democrats have Balls?

[Galenaima]

Explain how so.

Because it is factually inaccurate.

And how is it? I need a specific example.

[Ashmoria]

which is why wisconsin has one of the best school systems in the country?

http://education.usnews.rankingsandrevi ... statistics

#44 is good?

i dont know what that is measuring but the suggestion t hat new mexico has better schools than wisconsin is ludicrous.

ive lived in both states.

[NERVUN]

The penalty will not be the voiding of laws, but the fact that it makes a nice sign to hang around your opponet's neck.

After all, noting that "Not only did Sen Whoever voted to strip rights away from (Insert group here), he did so while violating state law. Do you really want to return a lawbreaker to the state senate?" makes a good argument that is hard to squirm around.

Possibly, though given its a misdemeanor the GOP will likely equate it to a traffic ticket they got while taking care doing what is right. That's of course provided the Dems even remember where their balls are come election time.

KInda hard to do so, but, again, it is dependant upon the person running.

If I were, I would pound it for all its worth though.

[Brewdomia]

http://education.usnews.rankingsandrevi ... statistics

#44 is good?

i dont know what that is measuring but the suggestion t hat new mexico has better schools than wisconsin is ludicrous.

ive lived in both states.

Meh, I live in Wisconsin, some teachers are good, others suck. Must be one of those definite things in life or whatever.

[Itinerate Tree Dweller]

which is why wisconsin has one of the best school systems in the country?

http://education.usnews.rankingsandrevi ... statistics

#44 is good?

Well... it's in the top 50, so that's got to count for something.

[Sdaeriji]

Because it is factually inaccurate.

And how is it? I need a specific example.

Congress did not hold a vote while Republican senators were absent from the chamber in protest.

The thing you said was a lie.

[NERVUN]

The GOP of 2011 is doing as the Dems of 2009 did, over reaching. I'm not too sure why, but apparently both parties seem to be missing the idea that the bulk of the voters don't like them so much as they wanted to punish the other party.

The Dems didn't really overreach, they have a bad marketing team, and public opinion turned on them. The Republicans, while having more bad ideas, are better at politics.

No, they overreached. Not saying that President Obama and that Congress didn't get a lot done, but they were operating on the assumption that the rest of the nation was with them compleatly instead of more divided and that the 2008 election was not built on a lot of anger at President Bush.

[Gauthier]

If the Democrats and the unions don't use this as ammunition for the Recall Blitzkrieg then we have truly become the Kingdom of Gilead. Which means I'll be off shoveling nuclear waste.

[Alien Space Bats]

Yeah, I mean, WTF do people need rights for? Only corporations need rights; people mean nothing.

Federal workers don't have collective bargaining rights, why do state workers? Besides, we're BROKE--people don't like not having massive pensions? Oh well.

And voters don't really need to elect the public officials who pass their laws and decide how their money is spent. I mean, we're BROKE -- people don't like having democracy and home rule? Oh, well.

"Vote Republican! After all, it's easy - AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO DO IT ONCE!!!"

[Galenaima]

And how is it? I need a specific example.

Congress did not hold a vote while Republican senators were absent from the chamber in protest.

The thing you said was a lie.

That's because the Republicans didn't walk out on the taxpayers--they fought on till the bitter end. Nobody was blocking the Dems from re-entering; they could've come back, they had plenty of chances. And they didn't take 'em. Therefore, blame them for what just happened.

[NERVUN]

Er... open meeting laws do not work that way.

True, but the average voter would not know this. The Republicans could easily argue that since the Democrats went MIA for about a month they had no other choice and try to say the Democrats were trying to slow down the already crawling bureaucracy and thus cost the taxpayers more money then necessary. Most voters do not like their money being wasted.

Voters also tend to not like politicans violating laws.

[Xomic]

How can this not hurt them. Unions across the country will be upset about this, and this will severely hurt the GOP come 2012.

I have very little faith in your country and it's people voters.

But I would like to see the GOP get knocked down a peg.

Yeah.

This is incredibly idiotic on the part of Walker, but given that he did the exact same shit when he was mayor (or something) of some town or something (strip unionised worker's rights in a 'budget crisis' while, irrc doing some incredibly shady political actions like he's done here) it seemed likely to pass.

[Sdaeriji]

Congress did not hold a vote while Republican senators were absent from the chamber in protest.

The thing you said was a lie.

That's because the Republicans didn't walk out on the taxpayers--they fought on till the bitter end. Nobody was blocking the Dems from re-entering; they could've come back, they had plenty of chances. And they didn't take 'em. Therefore, blame them for what just happened.

So you admit you lied.

[Itinerate Tree Dweller]

Er... open meeting laws do not work that way.

True, but the average voter would not know this. The Republicans could easily argue that since the Democrats went MIA for about a month they had no other choice and try to say the Democrats were trying to slow down the already crawling bureaucracy and thus cost the taxpayers more money then necessary. Most voters do not like their money being wasted.

The Wisconsin Senate already decided to punish the 14 Senators by fining them for missing work, as only the Senate has the ability to punish its members for such an offense. A spokesperson for the 14 said they would pay the fines.

[Greed and Death]

Possibly, though given its a misdemeanor the GOP will likely equate it to a traffic ticket they got while taking care doing what is right. That's of course provided the Dems even remember where their balls are come election time.

KInda hard to do so, but, again, it is dependant upon the person running.

If I were, I would pound it for all its worth though.

Have you been in the US long enough to even run for the Senate. Seems like the Democrats with balls have fled the country.

[NERVUN]

Congress did not hold a vote while Republican senators were absent from the chamber in protest.

The thing you said was a lie.

That's because the Republicans didn't walk out on the taxpayers--they fought on till the bitter end. Nobody was blocking the Dems from re-entering; they could've come back, they had plenty of chances. And they didn't take 'em. Therefore, blame them for what just happened.

Wasn't moving that goalpost heavy?

[Galenaima]

That's because the Republicans didn't walk out on the taxpayers--they fought on till the bitter end. Nobody was blocking the Dems from re-entering; they could've come back, they had plenty of chances. And they didn't take 'em. Therefore, blame them for what just happened.

So you admit you lied.

How did I lie? They still shoved it down our throats.

[Sdaeriji]

So you admit you lied.

How did I lie? They still shoved it down our throats.

That is a lie.

[Alien Space Bats]

Federal workers don't have collective bargaining rights, why do state workers? Besides, we're BROKE--people don't like not having massive pensions? Oh well.

Even a grade school understanding of the situation would allow you to know that the union had already granted all the financial concessions, and that the opposition was to the requirement that the union sign away their rights to negotiate later. You seem to be lacking that understanding.

He's a member of the "Don't Bother Me With The Facts - Just Tell Me What FOX Says" generation!

Thinking is a snap when someone else does it for you.

[Maurepas]

The Dems didn't really overreach, they have a bad marketing team, and public opinion turned on them. The Republicans, while having more bad ideas, are better at politics.

No, they overreached. Not saying that President Obama and that Congress didn't get a lot done, but they were operating on the assumption that the rest of the nation was with them compleatly instead of more divided and that the 2008 election was not built on a lot of anger at President Bush.

Which is true, and worse, mid-way through they pussied out of it. Meaning they went far enough that the right and moderates are pissed, but not far enough that they could hold onto their base. Perfect storm for losing an election.

I mean, if you're going to overreach there's a trick to it, the Republicans are good at it. That is, if you do it, you go all the way and as hard as possible, so that you keep your base fervent for you. That way the moderate position is still to the right of center.

[Gauthier]

I have very little faith in your country and it's people voters.

But I would like to see the GOP get knocked down a peg.

Yeah.

This is incredibly idiotic on the part of Walker, but given that he did the exact same shit when he was mayor (or something) of some town or something (strip unionised worker's rights in a 'budget crisis' while, irrc doing some incredibly shady political actions like he's done here) it seemed likely to pass.

And the private security company he hired to replace the unionized guards were shady to say the least.

[Galenaima]

How did I lie? They still shoved it down our throats.

That is a lie.

We didn't want it, as most polls would show. Therefore, it was shoved down our throats--don't pretend you didn't hear the protests.

[NERVUN]

KInda hard to do so, but, again, it is dependant upon the person running.

If I were, I would pound it for all its worth though.

Have you been in the US long enough to even run for the Senate. Seems like the Democrats with balls have fled the country.

Well, I spent the first 25 years of my life in the US, AFAIK I'm still an American citizen, native born and all that.

And I have no political desiers whatsoever. I have enough fun just trying to moderate NationStates!