Islamophobia in America: "One nation under God, not Allah"

[Prizyetsa]

I do believe Islamophobia is a huge problem in the USA and its should be treated likewise

You should go to France or Britain...

Lol, or Switzerland...

[EnragedMaldivians]

*Sigh*Some Non Muslims fearmonger against Muslims, and some Muslims against Non-Muslims. Experienced both (since in the West, I am indistinguishable from a Muslim, and back home I am an apostate.)

Fun times we live in. At least it's looking better than the first half of the last century.

Lol, or Switzerland...

Geneva wasn't that bad. That Minaret thing was unduly sensationalist in my opinion; doesn't fit in with the architechture of the rest of the city. They didn't ban mosques.

[Vecherd]

Really?. Maybe if you live in some kind of super Anti-Islam country, which do not exist. Only countries that kiss the ass of Fundamentalist Muslims or are neutral. Just my European though.

Not to sound offending, but, you're a rightist, aren't you?

Socially or Economically?.

[Johz]

I do believe Islamophobia is a huge problem in the USA and its should be treated likewise

You should go to France or Britain...

Britain is (has been) rather good, although when Dave the Rave (the Rip Stick Stave) tells the world that 'multiculturalism has failed', you rather wonder why anyone bothers.

[Alien Space Bats]

I live near Dearborn, Michigan (often referred to as the Muslim Capital of America)...

OMFG!!! OMFG!!! You live under Sha'ria Law!!!!

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You have no idea how many Americans still believe that Dearborn is governed by Sha'ria Law after that canard went around conservative whack-job circles last fall.

[Ovisterra]

The funny thing is, the "Ground Zero Mosque" was:

1. Not at ground zero. It was several streets away.

2. Not a mosque. It was a general community centre type thing, which was meant to be used by Muslims to pray in sometimes.

[Risna]

Ok while i disagree with the protesters they have a right to protest no matter how stupid their cause is

[Ovisterra]

Indeed. Still, I would have started a fight were I there. Not intentionally. I just get angry....

[EnragedMaldivians]

I live near Dearborn, Michigan (often referred to as the Muslim Capital of America)...

OMFG!!! OMFG!!! You live under Sha'ria Law!!!!

<pause>

You have no idea how many Americans still believe that Dearborn is governed by Sha'ria Law after that canard went around conservative whack-job circles last fall.

As someone from the Muslim world, I should mention that pro-sharia morons have enough trouble getting most Muslims on board with their full theocratic Agenda. Our local version of the franchise (the Adhaalath part), won a staggering 0.8% of the vote in a self proclaimed 100% Muslim country. At most they get away with a quasi sharia, where Islam is the state religion, and apostasy and secularism are guarded against. But that's in the Muslim world. The notion that they could somehow take over freaking Michigan is ridiculous.

They are dangerous though. To the Muslim world. And to secular Muslims, and apostates. (Not to mention Women) Not to the West.

[Helertia]

OMFG!!! OMFG!!! You live under Sha'ria Law!!!!

<pause>

You have no idea how many Americans still believe that Dearborn is governed by Sha'ria Law after that canard went around conservative whack-job circles last fall.

As someone from the Muslim world, I should mention that pro-sharia morons have enough trouble getting most Muslims on board with their theocratic Agenda. Our local version of the franchise (the Adhaalath part), won a staggering 0.8% of the vote in a self proclaimed 100% Muslim country. The notion that they could somehow take over freaking Michigan is ridiculous.

They are dangerous though. To the Muslim world. Not to the West.

In all fairness, they could probably take over Michigan relatively easily. It's not like anyone else wants it, after all.

[Nodinia]

Well, those 'picketers' should have said islam condones and promotes paedophilia (it does in fact condone sexual relations between a man and pre-teen girls, even babies according to the late Khomeini) ........

No, not according to the late Khomeni..... Nor is the story about condoning bestiality true.

What is islamphobia........

A phenomena that has greatly increased in recent years, due to American propoganda which is repeated by those too happy to find something that agrees with their prejudices to check the facts.

[Sierra Lobo]

OMFG!!! OMFG!!! You live under Sha'ria Law!!!!

<pause>

You have no idea how many Americans still believe that Dearborn is governed by Sha'ria Law after that canard went around conservative whack-job circles last fall.

As someone from the Muslim world, I should mention that pro-sharia morons have enough trouble getting most Muslims on board with their full theocratic Agenda. Our local version of the franchise (the Adhaalath part), won a staggering 0.8% of the vote in a self proclaimed 100% Muslim country. At most they get away with a quasi sharia, where Islam is the state religion, and apostasy and secularism are guarded against. But that's in the Muslim world. The notion that they could somehow take over freaking Michigan is ridiculous.

They are dangerous though. To the Muslim world. And to secular Muslims, and apostates. (Not to mention Women) Not to the West.

The radical voice is resonating though.

We need more moderates with a loud megaphone to start showing the world what Islam is really is. I am trying to study Islam in my leisure but I am having difficulty on how to get an english translated Qu'ran and other islamic literature. All I get in the internet are biased accounts with lots of posturing in killing the 'infidels'. We have anti-mulim fanatics spewing nonsense about how hateful islam is or the glazed fanaticism of how glorious it is to die for the islam .... i do not see the moderates. I DO NOT SEE ANY INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE ABOUT ISLAM AT ALL AND IF I FIND AN ARTICLE IT IS IN ARABIC.

[Keronians]

You should go to France or Britain...

Britain is (has been) rather good, although when Dave the Rave (the Rip Stick Stave) tells the world that 'multiculturalism has failed', you rather wonder why anyone bothers.

It has? The English Defense League ring any bells?

[Ordo Drakul]

As someone from the Muslim world, I should mention that pro-sharia morons have enough trouble getting most Muslims on board with their full theocratic Agenda. Our local version of the franchise (the Adhaalath part), won a staggering 0.8% of the vote in a self proclaimed 100% Muslim country. At most they get away with a quasi sharia, where Islam is the state religion, and apostasy and secularism are guarded against. But that's in the Muslim world. The notion that they could somehow take over freaking Michigan is ridiculous.

They are dangerous though. To the Muslim world. And to secular Muslims, and apostates. (Not to mention Women) Not to the West.

The radical voice is resonating though.

We need more moderates with a loud megaphone to start showing the world what Islam is really is. I am trying to study Islam in my leisure but I am having difficulty on how to get an english translated Qu'ran and other islamic literature. All I get in the internet are biased accounts with lots of posturing in killing the 'infidels'. We have anti-mulim fanatics spewing nonsense about how hateful islam is or the glazed fanaticism of how glorious it is to die for the islam. I DO NOT SEE ANY INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE ABOUT ISLAM AT ALL AND IF I FIND AN ARTICLE IT IS IN ARABIC.

There's no intellectual discourse about Islamaphobia, either-rather than considering it's a media driven nonentity, everyone here is happy to demonize others as possessing it. Except themselves, of course.
Religion is something people are far too passionate about for reasonable discourse.

[Ovisterra]

I just practise my own religion and that's it. You could all be Pastafarians for all I know or care!

[Horsefish]

Britain is (has been) rather good, although when Dave the Rave (the Rip Stick Stave) tells the world that 'multiculturalism has failed', you rather wonder why anyone bothers.

It has? The English Defense League ring any bells?

Of course a fringe group which is counter-protested everytime it meets by other people is obviously a wide spread problem.

[Keronians]

The radical voice is resonating though.

We need more moderates with a loud megaphone to start showing the world what Islam is really is. I am trying to study Islam in my leisure but I am having difficulty on how to get an english translated Qu'ran and other islamic literature. All I get in the internet are biased accounts with lots of posturing in killing the 'infidels'. We have anti-mulim fanatics spewing nonsense about how hateful islam is or the glazed fanaticism of how glorious it is to die for the islam. I DO NOT SEE ANY INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE ABOUT ISLAM AT ALL AND IF I FIND AN ARTICLE IT IS IN ARABIC.

There's no intellectual discourse about Islamaphobia, either-rather than considering it's a media driven nonentity, everyone here is happy to demonize others as possessing it. Except themselves, of course.
Religion is something people are far too passionate about for reasonable discourse.

Indeed, the experiment with atheism showed similar results. Perhaps agnoticism is the way to go? Then again, I'm not sure if that would work.

Hint: bad joke.

[EnragedMaldivians]

The radical voice is resonating though.

We need more moderates with a loud megaphone to start showing the world what Islam is really is. I am trying to study Islam in my leisure but I am having difficulty on how to get an english translated Qu'ran and other islamic literature. All I get in the internet are biased accounts with lots of posturing in killing the 'infidels'. We have anti-mulim fanatics spewing nonsense about how hateful islam is or the glazed fanaticism of how glorious it is to die for the islam. I DO NOT SEE ANY INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE ABOUT ISLAM AT ALL AND IF I FIND AN ARTICLE IT IS IN ARABIC.

I said I am from the Muslim world. Not that I'm Muslim.

Nobody need to show anyone anything. It's a flawed religion, introduced to the world through a flawed man who said he could talk to God.

Combating racists perceptions of it, by presenting an equally biased, patronisingly positive impression of it is futile.

Islam is just a religion. nothing more, nothing less. You don't have to love it. Tolerance is enough.

And the reasons moderates don't speak out is because the Wahhabis aren't just bark; getting labeled as an apostate is very very bad. They'll bite.

[Sociobiology]

ilsam is no crazier or intolerant than any other religion, al qaeda is no different than the knights of the kkk, they just have foreign powers to target. If the US had standing Canadian troops in it the quad K would be blowing up Canadian buildings. Telling people there is an ultimate infallible source for knowledge and morality causes these kinds of groups. Its the inevitable result of faith.

[Sierra Lobo]

The radical voice is resonating though.

We need more moderates with a loud megaphone to start showing the world what Islam is really is. I am trying to study Islam in my leisure but I am having difficulty on how to get an english translated Qu'ran and other islamic literature. All I get in the internet are biased accounts with lots of posturing in killing the 'infidels'. We have anti-mulim fanatics spewing nonsense about how hateful islam is or the glazed fanaticism of how glorious it is to die for the islam. I DO NOT SEE ANY INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE ABOUT ISLAM AT ALL AND IF I FIND AN ARTICLE IT IS IN ARABIC.

I said I am from the Muslim world. Not that I'm Muslim.

Nobody need to show anyone anything. It's a flawed religion, introduced to the world through a flawed man who said he could talk to God.

Combating racists perceptions of it, by presenting an equally biased, patronisingly positive impression of it is futile.

Islam is just a religion. nothing more, nothing less. You don't have to love it. Tolerance is enough.

And the reasons moderates don't speak out is because the Wahhabis aren't just bark; getting labeled as an apostate is very very bad. They'll bite.

I just find it difficult to find untainted sources of islamic literature (without all the BS) . If I do find one its in arabic that is why it is frustrating. I wont label Islam as a flawed religion...... one should not judge before you have all the information at your disposal. I rather come up with my own conclusions.

[Gauthier]

And the cherry topping on the crap sundae, Representative Peter King (R-NY) is holding a Muslim Inquisition and is trying to make himself a Terrorist Hunting McCarthy.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/2chambers/2011/03/previewing_peter_kings_hearing.html

It also falls under the "Cast The First Stone" Department considering that this is the same Peter King who pretty much cheerlead for the IRA.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/03/09/peter-kings-ira-support-resurfaces-as-lawmaker-probes-muslim-ra/

[EnragedMaldivians]

I just find it difficult to find untainted sources of islamic literature (without all the BS) . If I do find one its in arabic that is why it is frustrating. I wont label Islam as a flawed religion...... one should not judge before you have all the information at your disposal. I rather come up with my own conclusions.

Fair enough. But I don't beleive in God, so anyone who says he can talk to God wasn't telling the truth in my view. Thus I distrust Muhammads motives, especially in the context that he did acquire a lot of political power.

Secondly, he was human. Humans are flawed.

It's a big and complex religion, revealed over 20 years; there is no pure Islam as such whatever anyone tells you, since like all religions it is socially constructed and subject to interpretation. (And has been interpreted and reinterpreted for over 1400 years.) good luck.

But if you are interested in Sunni Islam. Just get Bukhari, and the Qur'an. I don't know anything about Shia Islam, so I won't comment on it.

Anyway, one of my points was that it is possible to have a negative impression of the mainstream theology but not demonize practicing followers. Tolerance is they key.

(Unless they are Wahhabi).

[Aglrinia]

Islamophobia is not on the rise in America the GOP is just as they always have been. If something is deemed a threat in their eyes it must be destroyed, it's practically another red scare. If you want to anger a right wing nut job call them a muslim.

[Qatarab]

Americans feared Communists only a few decades ago,Japs and Nazis nearly half a century or more ago,Southerners nearly 2 centuries ago and Brits nearly 3 centuries ago....now its muslims. Makes me wonder whats next.

Let em keep shouting...they make one wrong move and its time to go American on those bigots asses and Sue their pants off. That might prove them wrong about muslims not being American...

[Aglrinia]

Americans feared Communists only a few decades ago,Japs and Nazis nearly half a century or more ago,Southerners nearly 2 centuries ago and Brits nearly 3 centuries ago....now its muslims. Makes me wonder whats next.

Let em keep shouting...they make one wrong move and its time to go American on those bigots asses and Sue their pants off. That might prove them wrong about muslims not being American...

Frankly I think they like having something to fear.