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Do you believe Islamophobia is on the rise in America?

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Postby Juristonia » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:32 pm

Aglrinia wrote:Frankly I think they like having something to fear.


It's an old and effective strategy. Find a common enemy and people will rally behind you.
Want to win an election? Create an enemy and make sure people know you're the guy doing something against it.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:36 pm

Brewdomia wrote:
Bengera wrote:Islam is an extension of Christianity and Judaism. Muslims hold the Torah and the Gospels of Yeshua Hamashiach sacred, so why aren't most Christians befriending our Muslim brothers? Why aren't we praising them for their beliefs?


Because they blow up children in the 21st Century.


That's right. Every single Muslim can't go past puberty without blowing up children.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Greto » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:38 pm

Honestly the only reason stuff like that happens is because of the major news networks only showing the parts of the story that make the $$$. Though if you look into the history of America this has happened before to different groups, during World War II after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the entire ethnic group of Japan were instantly branded enemies of the U.S. It was the same in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. It was fueled by the War on Terrorism, and news outlets publishing things they shouldn't had, so I would say modern American culture is to blame for this so called "Islamophobia".
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Postby Lonelyloner » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:40 pm

Bengera wrote:
Lonelyloner wrote:
Because there's instructions in their Qu'ran to antagonize / kill Jews and Christians.
alisina.org is quite informative about this.


And? What about the Christians who raped and pillaged the Hold Land, enslaved Muslims, and held people at gunpoint, forcing them to become Christians?


That's different.
I don't see anything in the Bible actually telling Christians to do all that.
Qu'ran however, does.

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Postby Bengera » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:41 pm

Lonelyloner wrote:
Bengera wrote:

And? What about the Christians who raped and pillaged the Hold Land, enslaved Muslims, and held people at gunpoint, forcing them to become Christians?


That's different.
I don't see anything in the Bible actually telling Christians to do all that.
Qu'ran however, does.


Read the Old Testament, my friend.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:42 pm

Bengera wrote:
Lonelyloner wrote:
That's different.
I don't see anything in the Bible actually telling Christians to do all that.
Qu'ran however, does.


Read the Old Testament, my friend.


[Cherrypicking]But the Old Testament no longer counts![/Cherrypicking]
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Bengera » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:46 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Bengera wrote:
Read the Old Testament, my friend.


[Cherrypicking]But the Old Testament no longer counts![/Cherrypicking]

:lol:

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Postby Minnysota » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:50 pm

Innsmothe wrote:Ironic as God=Allah.
It's only a separation of language.

Whilst in practice Islam is more similar to Judaism, they recognise the prophet Yeshua. So I don;t see why the 'Christians' hate them.


Maybe an endless grudge they have held against one another since the Crusades?

I also don't think that "Islamaphobia" is the only phobia Americans have. You could make a case that many people have Chinaphobia as well.
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:51 pm

Well........the people who did 9/11 were Muslims. Many Americans are smart enough to know that the guys who do the stuff like that are the Muslims who take it to extremes, but at the same time, a lot aren't. People are very emotional about 9/11, especially if a loved one died. One can't necessarily blame them for harboring resentment towards Muslims, as unfair as it may be.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:53 pm

Beldonia wrote:Well........the people who did 9/11 were Muslims. Many Americans are smart enough to know that the guys who do the stuff like that are the Muslims who take it to extremes, but at the same time, a lot aren't. People are very emotional about 9/11, especially if a loved one died. One can't necessarily blame them for harboring resentment towards Muslims, as unfair as it may be.


Too much faith in the American public. In fact, most cannot separate the terrorists and extremists from the rest of the Muslim world and think they are all one and the same.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Beldonia
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:54 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Beldonia wrote:Well........the people who did 9/11 were Muslims. Many Americans are smart enough to know that the guys who do the stuff like that are the Muslims who take it to extremes, but at the same time, a lot aren't. People are very emotional about 9/11, especially if a loved one died. One can't necessarily blame them for harboring resentment towards Muslims, as unfair as it may be.


Too much faith in the American public. In fact, most cannot separate the terrorists and extremists from the rest of the Muslim world and think they are all one and the same.

Well, I did say that many do harbor resentment. But I would argue that you have too little faith in the American public. Hell, I'm a sixteen year old in a suburban high school and I can seperate terrorists from the rest of the Muslim world.

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Postby Sorratsin » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:55 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Brewdomia wrote:
Because they blow up children in the 21st Century.


That's right. Every single Muslim can't go past puberty without blowing up children.


It's part of the bombmitzvah.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:57 pm

Sorratsin wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
That's right. Every single Muslim can't go past puberty without blowing up children.


It's part of the bombmitzvah.

Bar-Mitzvah is Jewish.
Religious-coming-of-age-holiday FAIL. ;)
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:06 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Sorratsin wrote:
It's part of the bombmitzvah.

Bar-Mitzvah is Jewish.
Religious-coming-of-age-holiday FAIL. ;)

It was a joke.

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Postby Buurdland » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:11 pm

Islamophobia is on the rise, and yet there is no reason for it. Look at Deerborn, Michigan. How many suicide bombings do they see a year? About 0.
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:13 pm

Beldonia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Too much faith in the American public. In fact, most cannot separate the terrorists and extremists from the rest of the Muslim world and think they are all one and the same.

Well, I did say that many do harbor resentment. But I would argue that you have too little faith in the American public. Hell, I'm a sixteen year old in a suburban high school and I can seperate terrorists from the rest of the Muslim world.

The sad part is that its actually a lot harder then that. In the western world its easy but go into Iraq or Afghanistan and they blend right into the population as the only thing that separates them is their viewpoints on the Koran, shaira law and america. EDIT: Just want to point out that if they were here doing it, it would be just as hard for them.
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:13 pm

Buurdland wrote:Islamophobia is on the rise, and yet there is no reason for it. Look at Deerborn, Michigan. How many suicide bombings do they see a year? About 0.

They knocked down the world trade center. That's a reason. One that I don't agree with, but a reason.

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Postby Bengera » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:15 pm

Beldonia wrote:
Buurdland wrote:Islamophobia is on the rise, and yet there is no reason for it. Look at Deerborn, Michigan. How many suicide bombings do they see a year? About 0.

They knocked down the world trade center. That's a reason. One that I don't agree with, but a reason.


Muslim extremists did. Not all Muslims. Just a small fraction of them.
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Postby Sorratsin » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:16 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Sorratsin wrote:
It's part of the bombmitzvah.

Bar-Mitzvah is Jewish.
Religious-coming-of-age-holiday FAIL. ;)


Couldn't rhyme anything with Ramadan or Eid al-Adha.

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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:16 pm

Bengera wrote:
Beldonia wrote:They knocked down the world trade center. That's a reason. One that I don't agree with, but a reason.


Muslim extremists did. Not all Muslims. Just a small fraction of them.

I'm well-aware of that, but many Americans don't take time to make the distinction.

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Postby The Corparation » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:17 pm

Sorratsin wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Bar-Mitzvah is Jewish.
Religious-coming-of-age-holiday FAIL. ;)


Couldn't rhyme anything with Ramadan or Eid al-Adha.

Its easy Rama-bomb. Not quite as good but still.
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Postby Bengera » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:20 pm

Beldonia wrote:
Bengera wrote:
Muslim extremists did. Not all Muslims. Just a small fraction of them.

I'm well-aware of that, but many Americans don't take time to make the distinction.


That's for sure. You should've seen the reaction that I got when I bought the Qu'ran from a bookstore the other day.
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Postby Beldonia » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:20 pm

Bengera wrote:
Beldonia wrote:I'm well-aware of that, but many Americans don't take time to make the distinction.


That's for sure. You should've seen the reaction that I got when I bought the Qu'ran from a bookstore the other day.

True dat. It's kind of a shame, if you ask me.

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Postby Bottle » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:09 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Beldonia wrote:Well........the people who did 9/11 were Muslims. Many Americans are smart enough to know that the guys who do the stuff like that are the Muslims who take it to extremes, but at the same time, a lot aren't. People are very emotional about 9/11, especially if a loved one died. One can't necessarily blame them for harboring resentment towards Muslims, as unfair as it may be.


Too much faith in the American public. In fact, most cannot separate the terrorists and extremists from the rest of the Muslim world and think they are all one and the same.

What freaks me out is that the two defining "terrorist events" of my childhood were both due to Christian extremists, yet already it seems like everyone has completely forgotten about them.

(Oklahoma City bombing, and Waco shoot-out)
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Postby Seperates » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:19 pm

Is Islamaphobia on the rise in America? No.

Just because the minority has gotten a little louder these days does not mean that it is on the rise. Surprisingly enough, Republican attempts to villainize Muslims have failed... As a country we may not like Islam... but we certiantly don't hate Muslims.

Now, Europe on the other hand, is a different story... the dislike and revulsion of Islam and muslims does not stem from a "-phobia" as that would imply that it is an irrational fear. When muslim communities spring up into protest over the slightest thing, and refuse to bow to the rights that Free Speech and Freedom of Expression endow us with... then we have a problem and a rational fear on our hands.
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