[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread III

[Conserative Morality]

Define "political importance".

Dominating the discourse of an entire party and a significant portion of the population on the issue contrary to prior trends and historical views within said society.

A very partial list of prominent examples of Right wing/anti-government terrorism and violence over the last two-plus decades would include:

The two Bundy stand-offs.
The Oklahoma City bombing (considered the worst incident of terrorism in American history pre-911).
The South Carolina Black church shooting about a year ago.
The Colorado abortion clinic shooting.

I'll accept those. That's not much for the course of two decades in a nation of some 315 million people.

The various recorded acts of violence at Trump events by Trump supporters.

Minor, as much as I hate to admit it; about as concerning as a bar fight.

I could dig up more, of course, but that's just to start with. All of these are well-known, though I can provide sources if you wish (I'm just in a bit of a hurry right now).

Are any of these kinds of things going to topple the government or result in a genocide? No. Are they destructive to the individuals caught up in them? Hell yes.

Jesus, you could say that about so many things. It's not even worth saying.

[Freefall11111]

So would it make sense for this thread to be shut down and traffic directed to the general election thread now that the primaries are officially over or nah?

Might be worth keeping this thread open until the convention is over, keep that chatter separate from GE chatter.

It seems to be mostly in the GE thread anyway.

[The Romulan Republic]

Might be worth keeping this thread open until the convention is over, keep that chatter separate from GE chatter.

It seems to be mostly in the GE thread anyway.

I'd keep this thread open for a while anyway, because it can also be used to discuss lower level primaries, such as Schultz's, which I've heard isn't until freaking August.

Or, hell, isn't it customary to close down a thread when it hits 500 pages? We've only got about a hundred more to go, why not just run out the clock, as it were?

[Ameriganastan]

Fuck you, Sanders. Goddamn sellout.

[Maurepas]

Fuck you, Sanders. Goddamn sellout.

https://youtu.be/bT90D0GKZRM

The Bern will lead the Senate without you then.

[Geilinor]

Fuck you, Sanders. Goddamn sellout.

He's a sellout because he realizes that it's about more than him?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Fuck you, Sanders. Goddamn sellout.

Yes, it would have been much better to have a fight that he wasn't going to win on the convention floor, fight a third-party battle that he also wouldn't win, get none of his ideas adopted into the platform, and likely throw the election to Trump in the long run. That way, once the economy collapsed due to his attempts to pay less on the national debt, Medicare was slashed, LGBT Americans found their hard-fought rights revoked, Mexican-Americans who couldn't show identification were being rounded up and deported, native-born Muslims were being radicalized due to constant discrimination, and Europe was facing the very real threat of war due to a lack of American involvement in NATO, he could say with a clear conscience "At least I didn't vote for someone who was careless with her emails, and didn't have as bold a vision for health care as I did."

No, instead he convinced the party to include support for a public option, investment in infrastructure, free college tuition at public universities for those whose families qualify, a new version of Glass-Stegall, and providing both a path for legalization of marijuana and legal protection for banks who keep their money.

What a sellout.

[Ameriganastan]

He's a sellout because he realizes that it's about more than him?

You know exactly why he's a sellout. Should have known. Just another goddamn politician in the end.

[Gauthier]

He's a sellout because he realizes that it's about more than him?

You know exactly why he's a sellout. Should have known. Just another goddamn politician in the end.

Because not making himself the Presidential nominee instead of getting the Democratic Party to accept his ideas into the party platform and beating Trump as a single force is selling out.

Bernier Than Bernie.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

He's a sellout because he realizes that it's about more than him?

You know exactly why he's a sellout. Should have known. Just another goddamn politician in the end.

Because he settled for leveraging his endorsement into forcing the party to support an enormously progressive agenda, even if it wasn't perfect?

That's called being a grownup.

[Occupied Deutschland]

You know exactly why he's a sellout. Should have known. Just another goddamn politician in the end.

Because not making himself the Presidential nominee instead of getting the Democratic Party to accept his ideas into the party platform...

Where they are safely irrelevant...

[Ameriganastan]

You know exactly why he's a sellout. Should have known. Just another goddamn politician in the end.

Because he settled for leveraging his endorsement into forcing the party to support an enormously progressive agenda, even if it wasn't perfect?

That's called being a grownup.

It's called handing the country over to Trump.

[Gauthier]

Because not making himself the Presidential nominee instead of getting the Democratic Party to accept his ideas into the party platform...

Where they are safely irrelevant...

So the Republicans won't ban military women from combat, and not declare that Praying Away the Gay is legitimate medical therapy as well as stating kids who grow up in fruity households will turn into druggie criminals now?

[Gauthier]

Because he settled for leveraging his endorsement into forcing the party to support an enormously progressive agenda, even if it wasn't perfect?

That's called being a grownup.

It's called handing the country over to Trump.

Only if enough people like you decide to vote Trump out of spite.

[The Romulan Republic]

Fuck you, Sanders. Goddamn sellout.

Why, because he chose to take the course of action that would allow him to actually accomplish something, even if it wasn't everything, for the people and causes he fights for? Because he did not try to split the Democratic party and throw the country to a bigoted infantile bully and possible puppet of Putin in a futile gesture and call it principle?

The label of sellout is particularly odious, as it implies Sanders acted out of self-interest, when in fact he chose to expose himself to abuse from many of his own supporters in order to further the cause they are trying to throw away with their shortsightedness and selfishness.

Bernie Sanders made the decision to support Hillary Clinton because he rightly saw it as the best option for progressivism in America.

Those who turn on him now are not true supporters and do not understand what he is trying to do.

Good riddance then. Our cause does not need turn coats, nor childish fanatics, incapable of compromise, who would throw away all because they did not get all.

[Ameriganastan]

It's called handing the country over to Trump.

Only if enough people like you decide to vote Trump out of spite.

I'm not voting AT ALL.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Because he settled for leveraging his endorsement into forcing the party to support an enormously progressive agenda, even if it wasn't perfect?

That's called being a grownup.

It's called handing the country over to Trump.

No, that's called uniting the party, and encouraging his supporters to vote for Hillary over Trump, as they're doing in huge numbers.

Splitting the party with a floor fight and/or running Green or Independent would have handed over the election to Trump, and he repeatedly stated over the course of the campaign that he would not do that. For some reason, that was the only promise of his that some of his followers thought that he didn't mean.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Only if enough people like you decide to vote Trump out of spite.

I'm not voting AT ALL.

Out of spite.

People like you are doing far more to try to hand the election to Trump than Bernie ever could, or would.

[Ameriganastan]

Fuck you, Sanders. Goddamn sellout.

Why, because he chose to take the course of action that would allow him to actually accomplish something, even if it wasn't everything, for the people and causes he fights for? Because he did not try to split the Democratic party and throw the country to a bigoted infantile bully and possible puppet of Putin in a futile gesture and call it principle?

The label of sellout is particularly odious, as it implies Sanders acted out of self-interest, when in fact he chose to expose himself to abuse from many of his own supporters in order to further the cause they are trying to throw away with their shortsightedness and selfishness.

Bernie Sanders made the decision to support Hillary Clinton because he rightly saw it as the best option for progressivism in America.

Those who turn on him now are not true supporters and do not understand what he is trying to do.

Good riddance then. Our cause does not need turn coats, nor childish fanatics, incapable of compromise, who would throw away all because they did not get all.

Don't you talk down to me, jack. I don't take that from anybody.

[The Romulan Republic]

Only if enough people like you decide to vote Trump out of spite.

I'm not voting AT ALL.

How quick you are to squander the right for which so many have fought and died.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Where they are safely irrelevant...

So the Republicans won't ban military women from combat, and not declare that Praying Away the Gay is legitimate medical therapy as well as stating kids who grow up in fruity households will turn into druggie criminals now?

No, they won't.
If they were going to, they'd have done it in the three years of control they've had in the Legislature (well, they would've tried to have the President veto the shit out of it).
The party platform is a sop to the party base so they can run circles around the victory-fire singing ooga-chaka whilst the politicians heading the party do whatever-the-fuck-they-want. Hence, humorously, a large part of the reason Trump became so popular. Because even as he diverges radically from the party platform, he's not one of those politicians heading the party who did whatever the fuck they wanted (perhaps most symbolized by Marco Rubio and/or Graham).

[Ameriganastan]

I'm not voting AT ALL.

Out of spite.

People like you are doing far more to try to hand the election to Trump than Bernie ever could, or would.

No, they did that all by themselves by nominating Clinton.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Why, because he chose to take the course of action that would allow him to actually accomplish something, even if it wasn't everything, for the people and causes he fights for? Because he did not try to split the Democratic party and throw the country to a bigoted infantile bully and possible puppet of Putin in a futile gesture and call it principle?

The label of sellout is particularly odious, as it implies Sanders acted out of self-interest, when in fact he chose to expose himself to abuse from many of his own supporters in order to further the cause they are trying to throw away with their shortsightedness and selfishness.

Bernie Sanders made the decision to support Hillary Clinton because he rightly saw it as the best option for progressivism in America.

Those who turn on him now are not true supporters and do not understand what he is trying to do.

Good riddance then. Our cause does not need turn coats, nor childish fanatics, incapable of compromise, who would throw away all because they did not get all.

Don't you talk down to me, jack. I don't take that from anybody.

If you don't like being talked down to, then you should probably try arguing at a higher level.

[The Romulan Republic]

Why, because he chose to take the course of action that would allow him to actually accomplish something, even if it wasn't everything, for the people and causes he fights for? Because he did not try to split the Democratic party and throw the country to a bigoted infantile bully and possible puppet of Putin in a futile gesture and call it principle?

The label of sellout is particularly odious, as it implies Sanders acted out of self-interest, when in fact he chose to expose himself to abuse from many of his own supporters in order to further the cause they are trying to throw away with their shortsightedness and selfishness.

Bernie Sanders made the decision to support Hillary Clinton because he rightly saw it as the best option for progressivism in America.

Those who turn on him now are not true supporters and do not understand what he is trying to do.

Good riddance then. Our cause does not need turn coats, nor childish fanatics, incapable of compromise, who would throw away all because they did not get all.

Don't you talk down to me, jack. I don't take that from anybody.

I do not see in what way I was talking down to you.

I think you're wrong. I said why.

If your ego can't take it, that's your problem.

I would advise you, however, not to make comments that could be construed as threatening.

[Gauthier]

I'm not voting AT ALL.

How quick you are to squander the right for which so many have fought and died.

Nothing worse than people who Feel the Bern because it was the hip thing to do and then scream "SELLOUT" when he does the one thing to give the Political Revolution a real chance to survive and spread.